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Forced C-section was ‘the stuff of nightmares’

Sometimes I despair of the courts in this country. Surely they could have sorted out required meds etc.
The case of a woman whose baby daughter was forcibly removed from her womb by social services was described by human-rights groups on Sunday night as “the stuff of nightmares”. The Italian woman was sedated and her baby delivered against her will, after Essex social services obtained a court order in August 2012 for the birth “to be enforced by way of caesarean section”.

The case, described by the woman’s lawyers as “unprecedented”, has further highlighted the controversial decisions made by the Court of Protection, which authorised the forced removal of the baby, as well as the powers afforded to social workers.

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was visiting Britain in July last year to attend a Ryanair training course at Stansted airport in Essex when she suffered a panic attack after failing to take medication for her bipolar disorder.

Despite the woman’s mother explaining her daughter’s condition to police over the telephone from Italy, she was taken to a psychiatric hospital and sectioned under the Mental Health Act. Five weeks later, her daughter was removed from her womb without her consent.

John Hemming MP, who is campaigning for greater openness in the family courts, is set to raise the issue in Parliament this week and said he hoped the incident would “shock people out of their complacency about the corrupt practices in the family court”. He told The Independent: “I think this has a fair chance of being the worst case of human-rights abuse I’ve ever seen. She wasn’t treated as a human being.”

After the C-section, the woman, who has two other children and is divorced, was sent back to Italy without her daughter. She returned to Britain in February to request the return of her daughter, who is now 15 months old, but was told at Chelmsford Crown Court that she was to be put up for adoption in case her mother suffered a relapse.

Shami Chakrabarti, the director of Liberty, said: “At first blush this is dystopian science-fiction unworthy of a democracy like ours. Forced surgery and separation of mother and infant is the stuff of nightmares.”

A spokesman for Essex County Council said he could not comment on ongoing cases.

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  • edited December 2013
    As Shami said, it is,at first glance, the stuff of nightmares. But let me offer one possible scenario. The woman suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and is convinced that the CIA has planted a cancer inside her which will grow and kill her. She has to remove it so she tries to cut herself open with razor blades. So what would you do? The above case happened back in the 60's and the woman was not pregnant, just extremely sick. Real life can be shocking so I think we need to know a lot more before we can play the blame game.
  • edited December 2013
    http://www.eureferendum.com/images/000a Booker-030 operate.jpg

    Christopher Booker broke the story.

    All I would add, whilst noting Stilladdicted's observation, is that if Christopher Booker and Shami are both in agreement then there is a very high probability something untoward has occurred particularly when you add John Hemming's, a Lib Dem, comments into the mix too.

    EDIT: Click on the image to enlarge.
  • Ah yes, that Booker! As he has endlessly claimed that white asbestos and passive smoking don't harm people, I think I would rather wait for an informed view rather than accept anything that this eccentric crackpot has to say. But I am sure that there are those who rather like his anti EU scribblings and his views on global warming are considered by a few to be the Holy Grail . Not my cup of tea though.
  • its a disgusting thing to do to anyone, its not the stuff of nightmares its the stuff people should be jailed for
  • This clarifies nothing. In fact it just repeats the info published by the independent.
    The woman managed to have kids without harming them in her past.
    She came to this country to attend a Ryanair conference. Doesn't imply someone to mad to work.
    She is Italian so why hasn't Essex blablabla tried to return the child to Italy and allow the mother to attempt to claim back the child via the Italian courts.
    At all levels this seems wrong.
  • Well the only thing I agree with, is that if she's seriously mentally ill the decision for the c-section shouldn't be down to her if there's a risk to both mother and child.
  • This clarifies nothing. In fact it just repeats the info published by the independent.
    The woman managed to have kids without harming them in her past.

    That's because the Italian Authorities have removed them from her care.

  • it is not a decision for this country to make sedate her put her on a plane and fly her home to her mum

    simple

    instead we sedate her cut her baby out of her stomach and then send her home , come on folks it aint a movie this is real life

    that's disgusting
  • NLA, we don't know the full story here, and given that Hemmings has had it in for the Courts of Protection for years, he's hardly an unbiased source. (The Essex council link that SELR posted isn't working for me, so I'm limited to what I can glean from other comments elsewhere).

    The woman concerned may have been fit to fly in July, but we've no idea how her condition deteriorated between then and August, when the caesarean took place. (Also, she may have been fit to work before she arrived, but we don't know how long she'd been off her meds). She may have been suffering from pre-eclampsia, had a placental abruption or one of a number of other conditions that meant an emergency C-section was needed for the sake of her own health, but was unable to give informed consent due to her mental state, so the NHS applied for a court order to be allowed to do one.

    Once the baby had been delivered it'd have to go into foster care while she was still sectioned. I can understand the concern about the speed with which it appears to have been put out for adoption, but as I say we don't know the full story. It's another case of social workers being damned if they do, and damned if they don't. If they'd returned the child to her once she'd left hospital, and she'd killed the child a short time later in a bout of postpartum psychosis, the very same papers that are saying how unjust this is would be screaming for the social workers' heads and asking how she'd ever been allowed custody
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  • She is not a british national and therefor the issue should have been put in the hands of the italian embassy

    And the decison left to them using their own services and medical decisions

    It astounds me that baby P etc can go through this system being failed by gp,s social services, teachers and every other overworked person so we are told yet this woman has had her child snatched
    In a heart beat
    The judge has asked those that made the decision to come to him and explain it

    Will make good listening

    The thought of this poor baby being whiped out of its womb is disturbing to me
  • It's disturbing because it involves a medical operation.

    If the child was already born and taken from her then we would all be saying it's the right thing to do.

    Taking the child out seems a drastic thing to do but we don't know the state of the lady at the time.

    Sounds like someone had to make a big call.
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