Dome installed at the valley!
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Can't we dump a load of sand on it?0
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Why don't we have retractable covers a la Centre Court at Wimbledon for when it rains for any lengthy period of time, but which are "easily" rolled back for days such as yesterday when it was sunny & there was a drying wind ?
And in the manner of professional gardeners when they're sowing seeds in lines, have raised wooden planks across the pitch to save walking on the wet grass/mud, with heat from appliances placed at intervals blowing down onto the pitch where drying is most needed.
Simples !
Fanny" Charlie Dimmock" Fanackapan3 -
...or I could bring my hairdryer !2
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Don't be stupid that's far to sensible!Fanny Fanackapan said:Why don't we have retractable covers a la Centre Court at Wimbledon for when it rains for any lengthy period of time, but which are "easily" rolled back for days such as yesterday when it was sunny & there was a drying wind ?
And in the manner of professional gardeners when they're sowing seeds in lines, have raised wooden planks across the pitch to save walking on the wet grass/mud, with heat from appliances placed at intervals blowing down onto the pitch where drying is most needed.
Simples !
Fanny" Charlie Dimmock" Fanackapan
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They'd be on all the time......
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Where's King Canute when you need him most?
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From what I remember of the story he wasn't all that successful......?I_was_Floyd said:
Where's King Canute when you need him most?1 -
We could all bring a straw and suck up a mouthful of muddy water from the pitch. Multiply that by a few thousand and it might help!0
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Just thinking ....... even if the Dome is covering the pitch, when it rains - where does the water running off the dome drain away?
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It's runs straight onto the edges of the pitch.Oggy Red said:Just thinking ....... even if the Dome is covering the pitch, when it rains - where does the water running off the dome drain away?
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Ah, of course, Shooters ....... as we saw in yesterday's photo.0
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Yes, true enough. Maybe we should become a Water Polo team instead.micks1950 said:
From what I remember of the story he wasn't all that successful......?I_was_Floyd said:
Where's King Canute when you need him most?
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If you take a wet swimming trunks into a sauna, would you expect them to dry out?
The Dome seems to be a great idea to prevent abandonments due to (1) frost (2) snow or (3) rain.
(1) To combat frost, the warm air circulating under the cover will raise the temperature of the first few cm of the soil, so that frost will not penetrate. This means that even if the air temperature drops to a few degrees below freezing, a frozen pitch will not result. This is not the current problem.
(2) Snow can be kept of the pitch simply by falling on the cover, instead of the grass. This has an insulating effect and, as long as the snow can be removed and disposed of, the pitch can remain playable, even after a heavy snowfall. This is not the current problems.
(3) Heavy rain can be kept off the surface by the cover. This will run off and, as long as it can be channelled away from the pitch, the playing surface can remain playable, even after heavy rain. This is not the current problem.
The current problem is that the pitch and immediate sub-soil is waterlogged, with no means of running off as the drains are broken. This can only be cured (temporarily) by drying out the pitch or (permanently) by replacing the drainage. So the short-term measure has to be to completely dry out the surface. Which is why I am puzzled that they are trying to do this by circulating warm, moist air under the cover. The warmth of the air will draw moisture from the surface, minimally reducing the saturation of the top level of soil and maximising the saturation of the warm air under the cover. This warm, moist air will then prevent any further drying of the surface, in effect ensuring that the pitch stays damp. (Hence my question about the swimming trunks in a sauna. Or, to put it another way, cricketers will tell you that a pitch under cover will "sweat" and thus often be more damp than if left exposed to the air).
I would suggest that what the Valley needs is (a) when it's raining, place a cover directly onto the pitch to prevent any rain reaching the pitch; and (b) when it's not raining, remove the cover and let the air dry it out.
The Dome seems a very good idea to keep the very worst winter conditions from causing damage to a good pitch. It seems entirely the wrong thing to use to try to improve a terrible playing surface with a broken drainage system.
One more analogy. If you take a shower, what's the quickest way to dry off: get out of the shower and use a towel; or use a towel before you get out of the shower?1 -
Its been raining for the past 4 hours.0
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Dome is up, groundstaff started work early today and were still there when I arrived at the Valley at 6pm0
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Oi, Chizz !!Chizz said:If you take a wet swimming trunks into a sauna, would you expect them to dry out?
The Dome seems to be a great idea to prevent abandonments due to (1) frost (2) snow or (3) rain.
(1) To combat frost, the warm air circulating under the cover will raise the temperature of the first few cm of the soil, so that frost will not penetrate. This means that even if the air temperature drops to a few degrees below freezing, a frozen pitch will not result. This is not the current problem.
(2) Snow can be kept of the pitch simply by falling on the cover, instead of the grass. This has an insulating effect and, as long as the snow can be removed and disposed of, the pitch can remain playable, even after a heavy snowfall. This is not the current problems.
(3) Heavy rain can be kept off the surface by the cover. This will run off and, as long as it can be channelled away from the pitch, the playing surface can remain playable, even after heavy rain. This is not the current problem.
The current problem is that the pitch and immediate sub-soil is waterlogged, with no means of running off as the drains are broken. This can only be cured (temporarily) by drying out the pitch or (permanently) by replacing the drainage. So the short-term measure has to be to completely dry out the surface. Which is why I am puzzled that they are trying to do this by circulating warm, moist air under the cover. The warmth of the air will draw moisture from the surface, minimally reducing the saturation of the top level of soil and maximising the saturation of the warm air under the cover. This warm, moist air will then prevent any further drying of the surface, in effect ensuring that the pitch stays damp. (Hence my question about the swimming trunks in a sauna. Or, to put it another way, cricketers will tell you that a pitch under cover will "sweat" and thus often be more damp than if left exposed to the air).
I would suggest that what the Valley needs is (a) when it's raining, place a cover directly onto the pitch to prevent any rain reaching the pitch; and (b) when it's not raining, remove the cover and let the air dry it out.
The Dome seems a very good idea to keep the very worst winter conditions from causing damage to a good pitch. It seems entirely the wrong thing to use to try to improve a terrible playing surface with a broken drainage system.
One more analogy. If you take a shower, what's the quickest way to dry off: get out of the shower and use a towel; or use a towel before you get out of the shower?
That was MY idea !!!
Find your own solution !
:-)
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Hartleypete said:Fanny Fanackapan said:
Why don't we have retractable covers a la Centre Court at Wimbledon for when it rains for any lengthy period of time, but which are "easily" rolled back for days such as yesterday when it was sunny & there was a drying wind ?
And in the manner of professional gardeners when they're sowing seeds in lines, have raised wooden planks across the pitch to save walking on the wet grass/mud, with heat from appliances placed at intervals blowing down onto the pitch where drying is most needed.
Simples !
Fanny" Charlie Dimmock" Fanackapan </blockquote
DOH ! Can't get my post from 4.43 on here !!!0 -
...and a very fine one it was too!Fanny Fanackapan said:
Oi, Chizz !!Chizz said:If you take a wet swimming trunks into a sauna, would you expect them to dry out?
The Dome seems to be a great idea to prevent abandonments due to (1) frost (2) snow or (3) rain.
(1) To combat frost, the warm air circulating under the cover will raise the temperature of the first few cm of the soil, so that frost will not penetrate. This means that even if the air temperature drops to a few degrees below freezing, a frozen pitch will not result. This is not the current problem.
(2) Snow can be kept of the pitch simply by falling on the cover, instead of the grass. This has an insulating effect and, as long as the snow can be removed and disposed of, the pitch can remain playable, even after a heavy snowfall. This is not the current problems.
(3) Heavy rain can be kept off the surface by the cover. This will run off and, as long as it can be channelled away from the pitch, the playing surface can remain playable, even after heavy rain. This is not the current problem.
The current problem is that the pitch and immediate sub-soil is waterlogged, with no means of running off as the drains are broken. This can only be cured (temporarily) by drying out the pitch or (permanently) by replacing the drainage. So the short-term measure has to be to completely dry out the surface. Which is why I am puzzled that they are trying to do this by circulating warm, moist air under the cover. The warmth of the air will draw moisture from the surface, minimally reducing the saturation of the top level of soil and maximising the saturation of the warm air under the cover. This warm, moist air will then prevent any further drying of the surface, in effect ensuring that the pitch stays damp. (Hence my question about the swimming trunks in a sauna. Or, to put it another way, cricketers will tell you that a pitch under cover will "sweat" and thus often be more damp than if left exposed to the air).
I would suggest that what the Valley needs is (a) when it's raining, place a cover directly onto the pitch to prevent any rain reaching the pitch; and (b) when it's not raining, remove the cover and let the air dry it out.
The Dome seems a very good idea to keep the very worst winter conditions from causing damage to a good pitch. It seems entirely the wrong thing to use to try to improve a terrible playing surface with a broken drainage system.
One more analogy. If you take a shower, what's the quickest way to dry off: get out of the shower and use a towel; or use a towel before you get out of the shower?
That was MY idea !!!
Find your own solution !
:-)
What I was pointing out is that we seem to have a really good bit of kit for a problem we don't have.0 -
DOH ! Can't get my post from 4.43pm on here !
I've been stitched up !!1 -
Ta da !Fanny Fanackapan said:Why don't we have retractable covers a la Centre Court at Wimbledon for when it rains for any lengthy period of time, but which are "easily" rolled back for days such as yesterday when it was sunny & there was a drying wind ?
And in the manner of professional gardeners when they're sowing seeds in lines, have raised wooden planks across the pitch to save walking on the wet grass/mud, with heat from appliances placed at intervals blowing down onto the pitch where drying is most needed.
Simples !
Fanny" Charlie Dimmock" Fanackapan
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That's what I'm talking about charlton0
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£600,000 might be a Desso pitch0
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That tent on the astroturf looked purpose made for that size of pitch I thought rather than the same one that would cover the entire Valley pitch?Henry Irving said:IIRC it wasn't left in a corner at the Valley to decay.
It was kept and used at Sparrows Lane and it was there it was vandalised by locals climbing over the fence at night.
By that time (2007/8) there wasnt the money to replace it0 -
Why did the pitch possibly look so bad at the start of tonight's game if it had no rain on it for so long.
How was it at the end ?0 -
It looked terrible, particularly noticeable as they dimmed the lights.PL54 said:Why did the pitch possibly look so bad at the start of tonight's game if it had no rain on it for so long.
How was it at the end ?
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Any update on how the work on the pitch is coming along?0
