Respect to Anton. I personally had a soul searching moment, when questioning whether I'd given any thought as to how Anton would have been feeling at that time. If I'm honest, it was all anti-Terry.
A friend recently said that he saw CAFC as a "progressive" club in the context of racism. And while I sort of get where they're coming from, that's the problem, isn't it?
We should not be seen as progressive, just the norm. But, again, I get what he meant.
Even if he was a Chelsea supporter, why would you do that to someone.
that's why i called them cowards there was a video on here of a couple of spurs fans goading millwall fans after they beat them ( any excuse to bring that up @Big_Bad_World ) and got a smack in the gob. some would say that was excessive.
I'd say it was more to do with the stupidity on the part of the Spurs fans.
Goad your friends at close quarters, by all means. Don't do it when theres a few thousand opposition fans passing you and you're pissed up with just you and your equally oiled mate for company. It's only going to end one way.
Watched the programme and got the feeling that the whole episode affected Anton Ferdinand more than he realised. Playing wise he was never the same, Neil Warnock, his boss at QPR at the time said as much which shocked Ferdinand who hadn’t really realised how much his game suffered. Two things became apparent. Firstly he was seriously let down by the FA and their investigation of the incident. Nothing has changed with the authorities as their handling of the Jonathan Leko incident proves. Secondly that John Terry is a spineless prick. I understand he may not have wanted to appear on the programme and revisit what happened nine years ago but to not even reply to Ferdinand’s email personally shows a lack of respect and grace. He was a c*** back then and he’s still a c*** now. @paulie8290 it’s definitely worth a watch.
I'm going to give the program a watch - not expecting to hear things about John Terry or the FA. I can only imagine how lonely Anton must have felt at the time.
Terry has always struck me as a bit of a twat regardless of his ability as a footballer.
Every player who plays football at any level should sign a legal document stating that any Racist or homophobic remarks to another player or team will result in a fine and ban. Have this translated into Portuguese and Spanish for South American players who use the word Negro without seemingly realising the offence it causes to most Black players. (I know that many do realize and use the word to unsettle on the field)
It's not acceptable in 2020 for players to use these terms. It never was but Regis, Cunningham, Clyde Best, Anderson played in a time when it was common language because of ignorance.
I was at a match two months ago at Beckenham towns ground between Brixton and another team from Southwark. A London cup final in a Sunday League. The players and crowd were mainly black folk. On several occasions I heard the "N" word and I don't mean Negro between friends greeting each other in the crowd. I was at that game watching players I know who also play in the 8th level as part time professionals.
As I'm a "white person" I still find this hard to understand why an offensive remark can also be an ironic friendly word. I guess it's similar to two gay men calling each other all the homophobic names under the sun but it's only offensive if said by a straight man or woman.
Every player who plays football at any level should sign a legal document stating that any Racist or homophobic remarks to another player or team will result in a fine and ban. Have this translated into Portuguese and Spanish for South American players who use the word Negro without seemingly realising the offence it causes to most Black players. (I know that many do realize and use the word to unsettle on the field)
It's not acceptable in 2020 for players to use these terms. It never was but Regis, Cunningham, Clyde Best, Anderson played in a time when it was common language because of ignorance.
I was at a match two months ago at Beckenham towns ground between Brixton and another team from Southwark. A London cup final in a Sunday League. The players and crowd were mainly black folk. On several occasions I heard the "N" word and I don't mean Negro between friends greeting each other in the crowd. I was at that game watching players I know who also play in the 8th level as part time professionals.
As I'm a "white person" I still find this hard to understand why an offensive remark can also be an ironic friendly word. I guess it's similar to two gay men calling each other all the homophobic names under the sun but it's only offensive if said by a straight man.
Suarez should have got hammered over the Evra incident. He fell back on South Americans using the term negro and not being inflammatory. He had played in Holland for a few years prior to joining the scousers, he would have known very well the term had a different meaning over here. Shame on Liverpool for supporting the goofy prick in the name of money.
Jordan Henderson met with AF for the programme and admitted that Liverpool FC didn't handle the Suarez incident correctly in hindsight. He said that they supported their teammate without giving consideration to protecting Evra. Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman, wrote to Evra this year apologising for the way the club supported Suarez in the aftermath and Jamie Carragher also admitted last year that they were wrong. Far too late in my opinion but at least they recognize that they should've conducted themselves better and hopefully it's a lesson learnt. Maybe Bielsa at Leeds may one day apologise for giving Casilla the captains armband after he racially abused Jonathan Leko.
Jordan Henderson met with AF for the programme and admitted that Liverpool FC didn't handle the Suarez incident correctly in hindsight. He said that they supported their teammate without giving consideration to protecting Evra. Tom Werner, the Liverpool chairman, wrote to Evra this year apologising for the way the club supported Suarez in the aftermath and Jamie Carragher also admitted last year that they were wrong. Far too late in my opinion but at least they recognize that they should've conducted themselves better and hopefully it's a lesson learnt. Maybe Bielsa at Leeds may one day apologise for giving Casilla the captains armband after he racially abused Jonathan Leko.
The Liverpool players all wearing Suarez t-shirts during their warm up is still one of the most ill-advised, embarrassing things I've ever seen at football.
I thought Anton's documentary was excellent and it moved me to tears while watching it. He really didn't get the support back then and I have great admiration for him using his experience to help others.
Some of the racist abuse levelled at him on social media is an utter disgrace - nobody should have to deal with this in a 'civilised' country.
It was a very calm and measured documentary and you could see the toll it has taken on Anton. He looked utterly devastated at times in the documentary.
I hope making the documentary helps him feel better - he deserves it.
Yet not surprising. Liverpool FC - Always the victims.
Pretty tasteless thing to say, particularly as that chant was so often used as a reference to Hillsborough.
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Its tasteless for me to suggest that Liverpool have a real habit of claiming victim status, as highlighted by there players wearing a T-shirt in support of a racist in Luis Suarez?
Yet not surprising. Liverpool FC - Always the victims.
Pretty tasteless thing to say, particularly as that chant was so often used as a reference to Hillsborough.
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Its tasteless for me to suggest that Liverpool have a real habit of claiming victim status, as highlighted by there players wearing a T-shirt in support of a racist in Luis Suarez?
Not really clear how this thread ended up here. Seems a bit of a shame.
Yet not surprising. Liverpool FC - Always the victims.
Pretty tasteless thing to say, particularly as that chant was so often used as a reference to Hillsborough.
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Its tasteless for me to suggest that Liverpool have a real habit of claiming victim status, as highlighted by there players wearing a T-shirt in support of a racist in Luis Suarez?
Yes, when you invoke a phrase that has been associated with people victim-blaming Liverpool fans for Hillsborough. You can't just ignore some bits of context and highlight others when the chant goes "Always the victims, never your fault".
Yet not surprising. Liverpool FC - Always the victims.
Pretty tasteless thing to say, particularly as that chant was so often used as a reference to Hillsborough.
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Its tasteless for me to suggest that Liverpool have a real habit of claiming victim status, as highlighted by there players wearing a T-shirt in support of a racist in Luis Suarez?
Not really clear how this thread ended up here. Seems a bit of a shame.
Jordan Henderson does himself credit when reflecting with AF about how the Suarez incident was handled poorly by Liverpool. Hindsight of course is everything, but even so, it's thoughtfully articulated.
Anyone with a bit of backbone in that Liverpool team would have refused to wear that t shirt. Why is Jamie Carragher still in a job? Spitting at a young kid but everyone seems to forget.
Anyone with a bit of backbone in that Liverpool team would have refused to wear that t shirt. Why is Jamie Carragher still in a job? Spitting at a young kid but everyone seems to forget.
Yet not surprising. Liverpool FC - Always the victims.
Pretty tasteless thing to say, particularly as that chant was so often used as a reference to Hillsborough.
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Have you heard what they sang to Man United?
Can we claim any moral high ground though? I remember sections of the Covered End singing ‘The Wheels of the Bus’ after that Palace fan was killed in the 90s. To my shame I probably sang along myself.
I am halfway through watching it now. At the time I thought JT was denying he actually said those words. I was thinking at the time maybe he said something that sounded similar. I was left with impression that the FA couldn't proove it. I am so fucking angey with JT. I hate racists.
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Respect to Anton. I personally had a soul searching moment, when questioning whether I'd given any thought as to how Anton would have been feeling at that time. If I'm honest, it was all anti-Terry.
A friend recently said that he saw CAFC as a "progressive" club in the context of racism. And while I sort of get where they're coming from, that's the problem, isn't it?
We should not be seen as progressive, just the norm. But, again, I get what he meant.
I haven't got around to watching it yet, for those who have is it worth the watch
Two things became apparent. Firstly he was seriously let down by the FA and their investigation of the incident. Nothing has changed with the authorities as their handling of the Jonathan Leko incident proves. Secondly that John Terry is a spineless prick. I understand he may not have wanted to appear on the programme and revisit what happened nine years ago but to not even reply to Ferdinand’s email personally shows a lack of respect and grace. He was a c*** back then and he’s still a c*** now.
@paulie8290 it’s definitely worth a watch.
Terry has always struck me as a bit of a twat regardless of his ability as a footballer.
It's not acceptable in 2020 for players to use these terms. It never was but Regis, Cunningham, Clyde Best, Anderson played in a time when it was common language because of ignorance.
I was at a match two months ago at Beckenham towns ground between Brixton and another team from Southwark. A London cup final in a Sunday League. The players and crowd were mainly black folk.
On several occasions I heard the "N" word and I don't mean Negro between friends greeting each other in the crowd.
I was at that game watching players I know who also play in the 8th level as part time professionals.
As I'm a "white person" I still find this hard to understand why an offensive remark can also be an ironic friendly word. I guess it's similar to two gay men calling each other all the homophobic names under the sun but it's only offensive if said by a straight man or woman.
He fell back on South Americans using the term negro and not being inflammatory. He had played in Holland for a few years prior to joining the scousers, he would have known very well the term had a different meaning over here.
Shame on Liverpool for supporting the goofy prick in the name of money.
Suarez was born a talented footballer but is a nasty piece of work on the football field.
Some of the racist abuse levelled at him on social media is an utter disgrace - nobody should have to deal with this in a 'civilised' country.
It was a very calm and measured documentary and you could see the toll it has taken on Anton. He looked utterly devastated at times in the documentary.
I hope making the documentary helps him feel better - he deserves it.
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Can we claim any moral high ground though? I remember sections of the Covered End singing ‘The Wheels of the Bus’ after that Palace fan was killed in the 90s. To my shame I probably sang along myself.
Am surprised Ledley King wasnt approached for comment given Terry's previous behaviour at WHL and it all seemed to be brushed under the carpet.