Charlton (not) in Europe
By some miracle, we somehow get through a couple of cup games and as well as some days out at Wembley, also manage to qualify for Europe. That we WON'T be able to participate in what we qualify for if Standard Liege qualify for a European cup (no two clubs in the same network can play in Europe).
Is that correct ?
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If it is correct, it would lead to an absolute riot and we would demand the club be sold instantly.1
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How do you define "network" ? Surely it would be two clubs legally owned by the same entity cannot compete in the same competition. If so RD just has to transfer legal ownership of us or Standard to one of his children/wife/milkman and there's no issue ? Isn't that what happened with St Truinden (sp) when he bought Standard ?1
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I thought it was the same competition . We would be in the Europa league while Liege would be in the Champions League . Not sure what would happen if Leige dropped into the Europa League at a later date if we were still in it?0
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I'd be more worried when we win the Europa and play in the Champions League the following season. Who would Roland choose to represent his network then if Standard also qualified again?5
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Its UEFA competition, and CL & Europa are both.
Someone needs to clarify the Belgium Euro qualification system though, as even though SL will finish top, it goes to a 4 team mini league at the end of the season. I don't know how many Belgium teams can qualify for European competition through their league.
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As soon as I heard this mentioned, I just knew it would be typical Charlton to go and make it to the FA Cup Final this year of all years...4
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Top two into the CL qualifying and the next one/two (depending on domestic cup winner) into the Europa I thinkValleyGary said:Its UEFA competition, and CL & Europa are both.
Someone needs to clarify the Belgium Euro qualification system though, as even though SL will finish top, it goes to a 4 team mini league at the end of the season. I don't know how many Belgium teams can qualify for European competition through their league.
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If Liege qualify for the European Cup as things stand we can not play in Europe.
Further, if Liege qualify for the Uefa Cup, we still can not play in Europe.
Think Enic may have fallen foul of this in the past.
May be possible to move clubs around to different family members to avoid the problem.0 -
1 Anderlecht (C) 10 4 3 3 16 11 +5 49 2013–14 UEFA Champions League Group stage
2 Zulte Waregem 10 4 3 3 20 20 0 47 2013–14 UEFA Champions League Third qualifying round
3 Club Brugge 10 6 1 3 21 17 +4 46 2013–14 UEFA Europa League Third qualifying round
4 Standard Liège 10 5 2 3 22 20 +2 42 2013–14 UEFA Europa League Second qualifying round
5 Genk 10 3 3 4 11 13 −2 40 2013–14 UEFA Europa League Play-off round
6 Lokeren 10 1 2 7 15 24 −9 31
This is how it finished last season, so considering Liege will take half their points into the final phase, we won't get into Europe next season even if we won the poxy thing.0 -
ValleyGary said:
Its UEFA competition, and CL & Europa are both.
Someone needs to clarify the Belgium Euro qualification system though, as even though SL will finish top, it goes to a 4 team mini league at the end of the season. I don't know how many Belgium teams can qualify for European competition through their league.
Top 6 go into a championship group where they carry half their points forward from the main league. They then play each other home and away. Winner goes into CL group stages, runner up into CL play off round. 3 teams go into the Europa.0 -
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Summer friendly, winner plays in europe.
maybe play it at one of his other clubs so whoever loses can still say they had a day out in Europe0 -
Just too many big IFs to consider it at the moment. IF we beat Sheff Utd, IF we win a semi final, IF we win the FA cup (or are runners up to a club that has already qualified for Europe - which can only be Arsenal or Man City)...then we can worry about it...!1
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Pretty sure you could get around it by changing ownership details to a family member1
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Are Champs League and UEFA cup the same competition ?AFKABartram said:Be good to clarify this, or make it more visable to anyone not aware.
By some miracle, we somehow get through a couple of cup games and as well as some days out at Wembley, also manage to qualify for Europe. That we WON'T be able to participate in what we qualify for if Standard Liege qualify for a European cup (no two clubs in the same network can play in Europe).
Is that correct ?0 -
Why would Liege get preference over Charlton?
Surely we would be in the FA Cup Final before the Belgian league finishes?0 -
Bedsaddick said:
I thought it was the same competition . We would be in the Europa league while Liege would be in the Champions League . Not sure what would happen if Leige dropped into the Europa League at a later date if we were still in it?
That is why I think we would be out of it. Effectively the Champions and Europa League merge after the initial stages and clubs drop down . I'm sure Standard Liege will take priority.
Personally I am not that bothered , I think the first part of the Europa League is nonsense and a distraction for a club our size whichever Division we are in next year. Look at how it affected Wigan in the early part of the season.Harry Redknapp used to play his development side for these games,even our former loanee Dean Parrett got games.
People are moaning about the fixture pile up.Would we really want 8 extra games travelling around some obscure places in Europe in the early part of next season?
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YES!Richard J said:Bedsaddick said:I thought it was the same competition . We would be in the Europa league while Liege would be in the Champions League . Not sure what would happen if Leige dropped into the Europa League at a later date if we were still in it?
Would we really want 8 extra games travelling around some obscure places in Europe in the early part of next season?2 -
This ^ there's no way if we qualified for Europe we wouldn't be playing in it . It's ridiculous to even say it .BigRedEvil said:Pretty sure you could get around it by changing ownership details to a family member
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Indeed. Count me in.Henry Irving said:
YES!Richard J said:Bedsaddick said:I thought it was the same competition . We would be in the Europa league while Liege would be in the Champions League . Not sure what would happen if Leige dropped into the Europa League at a later date if we were still in it?
Would we really want 8 extra games travelling around some obscure places in Europe in the early part of next season?0 -
3.02 If two or more clubs fail to meet the criteria aimed at ensuring the integrity ofcafctom said:Why would Liege get preference over Charlton?
Surely we would be in the FA Cup Final before the Belgian league finishes?
the competition, only one of them may be admitted to a UEFA club
competition, in accordance with the following criteria (applicable in descending
order):
a) the club which qualifies on sporting merit for the more prestigious UEFA
club competition (i.e., in descending order: UEFA Champions League and
UEFA Europa League);
b) the club which has the highest priority access by virtue of its performance
in its top domestic league championship and as indicated in the 2013/14
access list (Annex Ia);
c) the club which has the best club coefficient ranking as established in
accordance with paragraph 9.02.
9.02 For seeding purposes, rankings are drawn up on the basis of a combination of
20% of the value of the respective association’s coefficient for the period from
2008/09 to 2012/13 inclusive and the clubs’ individual performances in the
UEFA club competitions during the same period. Each club retains the
cumulative number of points obtained during this period.
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I get the feeling the rumours of Roland having to pay an extra £4m if we stay up could be why we see a lack of movement on transfers/loans. The press conference a couple of weeks back seemed strange to me, announcing we are in talks with Powell regarding a contract extension then a few days later CP saying he will fight to stay here and now nothing. Selling two of our best players in January and not strengthening an already weak squad. Fixture pile up in a weeks time but no loans incoming
I hope Roland has a plan and it works out for us, but at this moment I have my doubts. This network of clubs won't work imo. British youngsters don't often move abroad, the likes of the Ujpest, St Truiden and Jena are never going to big enough to make a network worthwhile. If you sign for Charlton you're not going to want to move to any of those clubs especially when you can get better experience playing in League One/Two1 -
Hell yeah!!!Richard J said:Bedsaddick said:I thought it was the same competition . We would be in the Europa league while Liege would be in the Champions League . Not sure what would happen if Leige dropped into the Europa League at a later date if we were still in it?
That is why I think we would be out of it. Effectively the Champions and Europa League merge after the initial stages and clubs drop down . I'm sure Standard Liege will take priority.
Personally I am not that bothered , I think the first part of the Europa League is nonsense and a distraction for a club our size whichever Division we are in next year. Look at how it affected Wigan in the early part of the season.Harry Redknapp used to play his development side for these games,even our former loanee Dean Parrett got games.
People are moaning about the fixture pile up.Would we really want 8 extra games travelling around some obscure places in Europe in the early part of next season?0 -
Only Charlton could qualify for Europe finally and be refused. LOL2
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Crikey what month is it must have missed all those games we won and made it to the final.1
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lets worry about it if/when it happens1
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In the highly unlikely scenario that Charlton win the FA Cup why would we want to play in Europe anyway? Add to the ownership issue the fact that UEFA no longer admit teams to its competitions if they're not in their domestic top division when they qualify, for which I think we can thank Millwall's uefa cup bloody misadventure a few years back.0
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Getting some what ahead of ourselves.Absurdistan said:Only Charlton could qualify for Europe finally and be refused. LOL
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I think it's 1st April....Chippycafc said:Crikey what month is it must have missed all those games we won and made it to the final.
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Didn't Spurs play a team in the Europa last season that Daniel Levy also had a financial interest in? Have the rules changed since?0
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Exactly. Why would we want to endure the tedious trips to Valencia and Napoli that Swansea have had to endure this season?! Give me an away trip to Huddersfield in the 1st round of the Carling Cup any day of the week.StigThundercock said:In the highly unlikely scenario that Charlton win the FA Cup why would we want to play in Europe anyway?
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