For those still banging on about Kermorgant

oohaahmortimer

Oh come on if JJ had been offered a better deal by Bournemouth you think he'd have stayed cos he cared for our club , of course he wouldn't , he did what was best for him just as Yann did
and I may not like his behaviour towards the end but I can understand it ,
in 5 years time when Yanns still got a bit of extra dough to pay his bills cos he signed for Bournemouth rather than Charlton , Yann will know he made the right decision , even if it doesn't sit pretty with our romantic idea that everyone should love playing for our club no matter what

We'd all have preferred RD to have sorted things quicker with Yann but that may have not been practical but I'm sure if he'd bothered listening to SCP that would have been his priority
So it comes down to who are RD's footy advisers and who says no this guy is not worth pushing the boat out for but Polish Pete is

Time will tell in RD's footballing plan for us but there has to be question marks over the early footballing decisions made and that's whether we stay up or not
Richard Murray had the best intentions in the world for Charlton but made numerous shit decisions in his latter years , let's hope RD has the right intentions but makes better decisions , only time will tell

nth_london_addick

I didn't say I didn't understand it CE and I don't see leaving us for Bournemouth for more money as an issue or a problem in fact I think it's the right thing for any player that age to do


I have no problem with any of that

What I have an issue with is the shit that was being put on here about Powell not knowing Powell having plYers sold from under him just to be letting in liege players to enhance their status that RD is wrong to sell yann and only did it because he don't care if we go down

A . because he was savvy enough to negotiate properly and get a cheaper deal should we go down as virtually all the reasons that happens were caused by TJ/MS and with regards the pitch RM

B. because he wanted the x amount k that we got for him



It was a factor of yanns negs stance and a factor of what RD wants our players to be earning

I think you do Jackson a huge disservice to be honest

Greenie Junior

No one is saying he's wrong cos he took the best deal. The manor in which he tried to hold the clubs owner to ransom by faking injury is what I don't like.

Tbh I'm glad he left, good riddance in fact. Just not happy about the replacements but what's done is done

dickplumb

Are people unhappy about Kermy leaving or is it just that the replacements are not good enough? If someone had come in and his replacement had scored the goals to keep us safe, this thread would be very short.

nth_london_addick

Exactly GJ anyone can leave Powell could've left and gone wherever he wanted as long as you leave in the right way

This club has always let it's best players go and in the recent past do it with hrs or mins to spare and no decent replacements lined up it ain't new and it will undoubtably happen again

vff

Bleedin' helpful if it didn't happen like that. Selling the main (only) decent striker at the last minute with no replacement. It is just plain bad strategy. The fact that RD did it similar to the past doesn't make it any less unpalatable. The interim strategy to the brave new dawn of the new season is so far rubbish. I don't think these owners show any particular signs of competency.

nth_london_addick

Anymore than Murray

hoof_it_up_to_benty

I wish Yann was still playing for us - only player I've really enjoyed watching in recent seasons.

chester_conrad

kevtherev said:

He's gone get over it !!!!!!'

Spot on. I'd much rather have obika anyway.

Nadou

dickplumb said:

Are people unhappy about Kermy leaving or is it just that the replacements are not good enough? If someone had come in and his replacement had scored the goals to keep us safe, this thread would be very short.

I don't give a damn about Kermogant but I do care that someone made a decision to let a goal scorer go and not replace him with someone as good or better. It makes me worry about the competence of the person making such decisions.

PL54

oohaahmortimer said:

LargeAddick said:

Not read thread since page 3 but can't believe we are still banging on about this. If Yann loved it here so much and loved the club so much he'd still be here. He isn't.
Says it all for me.

agreed , fuck doing whats best for his family

Well there you go then, he made a decision to leave, he wasn't sacked

PL54

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

I wish Yann was still playing for us - only player I've really enjoyed watching in recent seasons.

Poyet ?

Solly ?

Valiantphil

Solly has hardly figured.
Poyet is brilliant and great to watch - he has 18 days left on his contract, so make the most of it.

PL54

Valiantphil said:

Solly has hardly figured.
Poyet is brilliant and great to watch - he has 18 days left on his contract, so make the most of it.

You miserable old / young thing

mrbligh

PL54 said:

Valiantphil said:

Solly has hardly figured.
Poyet is brilliant and great to watch - he has 18 days left on his contract, so make the most of it.

You miserable old / young thing

both of you are kind of right though....

O-Randy-Hunt

PL54 said:

oohaahmortimer said:

LargeAddick said:

Not read thread since page 3 but can't believe we are still banging on about this. If Yann loved it here so much and loved the club so much he'd still be here. He isn't.
Says it all for me.

agreed , fuck doing whats best for his family

Well there you go then, he made a decision to leave, he wasn't sacked

Yep. And he made the correct decision to leave. Probably earning what he is worth. Scoring goals again. And has a chance of making the playoffs

People can believe what they want to believe and I believe we made a massive mistake in taking the piss out of our main man. That wont change.

PragueAddick

@NLA

The fact JJ has backed up his commitment to us by signing the new deal on similar wages shows someone who really does care for our club

I like JJ, believe he is great pro, and am glad he has a new contract. But you surely don't believe there was a queue of clubs willing to pay more for JJ as there was for YK? If you do believe that, or cannot see the difference in the two cases, then I'm afraid you've weakened your overall argument in my eyes.

Tell me, has it occurred to you that footballers don't necessarily all like each other in real life, and that Yann being a bit "different" might have had one or two personal enemies for reasons which have little to do with what happens on the pitch? If so, isn't it possible that the version of events you've obtained, comes from people who don't like him?

Valiantphil

PL54 said:

Valiantphil said:

Solly has hardly figured.
Poyet is brilliant and great to watch - he has 18 days left on his contract, so make the most of it.

You miserable old / young thing

You are probably right, but I was demonstrating (in DP case) that there is nothing that the new regime has done to inspire any confidence going forward, or attempt any collusion with the fan base.

They sacked a popular manager, sold a popular striker, sold a fair midfielder, brought in unsuitable replacements, avoided fan meetings, gave a false ST deadline, suggested compulsory seat moves.

Whether these are right or wrong, time will tell, but they are in the entertainment/leisure business and folk come to the Valley expecting to watch decent football played by players they know and like.
The owner/board are simply waiting to see what happens before they spin us whatever version they concoct for our demise.

RD wants to "sweat the asset", so maybe that means developing quality players to sell or use elsewhere in his network, so who knows when we will see another Poyet in a red shirt.

The YK issue is just a symptom of the situation we are in now - the owner doesn't need to worry about fans' money or fans' views at CAFC, as the future is about using the CAFC development skills to find cheap playing resources for his more high profile teams. How CAFC are doing, or what league they are in is of no relevance.

Henry Irving

dickplumb said:

Are people unhappy about Kermy leaving or is it just that the replacements are not good enough? If someone had come in and his replacement had scored the goals to keep us safe, this thread would be very short.

But it didn't happen so the discussion goes on.

And of course if PP had scored 15 goals then there would be endless "I told you so" comments so the discussion would be just as long.

Selling Yann was a judgement call. The fee was good for a player of his age and injury record but he was also an important player on and off the pitch. Clubs have to make those sort of calls all the time.

Not replacing him was the huge mistake. We might get away with it if we stay up but it was still a huge mistake that we can only hope is learnt from.

vff

Valiantphil said:

PL54 said:

Valiantphil said:

Solly has hardly figured.
Poyet is brilliant and great to watch - he has 18 days left on his contract, so make the most of it.

You miserable old / young thing

You are probably right, but I was demonstrating (in DP case) that there is nothing that the new regime has done to inspire any confidence going forward, or attempt any collusion with the fan base.

They sacked a popular manager, sold a popular striker, sold a fair midfielder, brought in unsuitable replacements, avoided fan meetings, gave a false ST deadline, suggested compulsory seat moves.

Whether these are right or wrong, time will tell, but they are in the entertainment/leisure business and folk come to the Valley expecting to watch decent football played by players they know and like.
The owner/board are simply waiting to see what happens before they spin us whatever version they concoct for our demise.

RD wants to "sweat the asset", so maybe that means developing quality players to sell or use elsewhere in his network, so who knows when we will see another Poyet in a red shirt.

The YK issue is just a symptom of the situation we are in now - the owner doesn't need to worry about fans' money or fans' views at CAFC, as the future is about using the CAFC development skills to find cheap playing resources for his more high profile teams. How CAFC are doing, or what league they are in is of no relevance.

Yann897 when do the school holidays end ? Don't you have some exam revision / school course work to get on with ?

Kap10

The Red Robin said:

If I had done well in my job and was offered a pay cut I'd leave too.

But he was not offered a pay cut allegedly he was offered an increase but not as big as the one Bournemouth offered.

Kap10

nth london addick said:

Anymore than Murray

Or TJ & MS!

DP &HI totally with you on this

ValleyTalkBlog

Henry Irving said:

But it didn't happen so the discussion goes on.

And of course if PP had scored 15 goals then there would be endless "I told you so" comments so the discussion would be just as long.

Selling Yann was a judgement call. The fee was good for a player of his age and injury record but he was also an important player on and off the pitch. Clubs have to make those sort of calls all the time.

Not replacing him was the huge mistake. We might get away with it if we stay up but it was still a huge mistake that we can only hope is learnt from.

Agree with this Henry, to an extent. The failure to replace is more costly than simply letting Yann go.

But surely in January we should have been looking to add to what was already a weakened squad? Rather than selling and making replacements? I understand the club would have missed out on fees if left 'till the summer, but the possible alternative would have been/could still be far more costly.

January was not the time to take risks, it should have been the time to signal the intent to push ourselves away from possible relegation. Unfortunately, nothing that happened suggested as much.

dickplumb

If we could have got Gradel on perm and Best on loan, then maybe letting Kermy go would have had a lesser impact. But we will know at the end of the season, if we stay up we have got away with it, if we go down we haven't. As others have said, I seriously think that RD underestimated the strength of the Championship and giving us PP, Nego, KOC, AA, etc and letting go of Kermy and Stephens has seriously weakened us.

nth_london_addick

PA I am not even remotely suggesting JJ and kermo had the same interest or requirements I am nearly pointing out that JJ could easily have gone in the summer on a free and earn a nice little sign on and the same money but he has a genuine affection for cafc and wanted to stay

Yann believed he was worth more than offered and so do I however for yann to get the higher money his stance was one that no player should be allowed to get away with

There in lies the difference

We never replaced him adequately but also remember he only scored 5 or do goals for us before he left so him leaving isn't why we are in this position as we were already in it

It ain't helped get out of it but I agree with the stance taken

Yes some players don't get on but this isn't a grudge held by one bad mouthing another it was a response to questions and an understanding of what happened that week and why it happened

An honest answer from 3 separate people that hasn't deviated in substance



The stick to criticise RD is not the yann stick it's the fact he or whoever he trusts believed that Reza and AA and nego are good enough to assist now from what I have seen of AA and Reza I think they were correct however they needed to be signed with two others so they can bed in and have less expectation


If we go down yes letting yann go will be an influencing factor the very same way yanns behaviour during that time be

seriously_red

Greenie Junior said:

No one is saying he's wrong cos he took the best deal. The manor in which he tried to hold the clubs owner to ransom by faking injury is what I don't like.

Tbh I'm glad he left, good riddance in fact. Just not happy about the replacements but what's done is done

Course you're happy with what we have upfront without Kermorgant - tomorrow you're gonna get Marvin Sordell tattooed on your arse!

se9addick

Yann who ?

Redhenry

SELR_addicks said:

oohaahmortimer said:

just checking he did what was best for his family

we didn't wanna pay his going rate

fair enough

we thought we'd spend money on Polish Pete instead cos we didn't want instant dividends

I thought the Pete transfer was a mistake too. Would've much preferred 1m (which we offered for Gradel) been spent on a striker in Jan and i'm hoping in the summer this comes to pass.

We offered 1.5m for Gradel, cash upfront.

Redhenry

Not fit to lace Sordells boots

kings hill addick

The Red Robin said:

If I had done well in my job and was offered a pay cut I'd leave too.

If you want to spin it you could well describe the sequence of events like this:

In the summer of 2012 you were given a massive pay rise.
You then had three months off sick during the most important time of your company's year - on full pay
You still had the whole summer holiday - on full pay
You then had another six weeks off sick during the same time the following year - again on full pay
You are getting close to retirement and are not going to be able to perform your duties as well as you have been
It is, generally, believed that your sickness record will continue, if not worsen, due to your age and health

You refuse to stay with your employer unless they give you another massive pay rise.

I think this adequately explains why you cannot compare professional football with any other occupation and use it to justify a players actions.

The truth is that the player wanted the money more than he wanted to play for us. I have no problem with this. I suspect that he was gambling and would have stayed for a little less than Bournemouth paid, but we will never know. I do have a problem with him making the spat public, however.

RD could have kept him until the end of the season on his current contract. It is unlikely that Kermorgant would have refused to play for the rest of the season - even if he did refuse to play at Huddersfield. If he had a contract that guaranteed us another season then he might have had to stay for another year. The decision to sell him, what ever the real reason, removed him from selection (which is what I think was a mistake) but we could have kept him without giving him a pay rise. Thus we have to assume that it was about money or a principle to teach the player (or those that come along afterwards) who is the boss.

What I don't find acceptable is the player using the media to have snipes at the club after he'd gone. It was unprofessional and has probably sparked the increase in 'leaks' from the club about his behavior before he left.

Relegation seems to have been fought off, but I have no doubt that we would have had a better chance of reaching the FA Cup Semi-Final and a £2m jackpot had we kept Kermorgant. This is where (with hindsight) RD made the biggest misjudgment.

But make no mistake, the club had no obligation to give him a pay rise. I suspect that he was more than happy with the contract that guaranteed him the same money in 2014/15 (at 32) that he was on two years earlier. The fact that he was not keen to honour it (even though I'm sure he would have demanded that the club did if he wasn't playing as well then) says more a lot about the man.