Details of New Pitch At the Valley
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But you would for the temporary boiler room situatated in the west cark parkAddickFC81 said:Tbh didn't think you would need planning permission for undersoil heating.
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and we're using a firm from Sheffield to do the work0
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FFS no ones thought about the clubs carbon footprint increasing
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Potential sticking point in that the Council have until 5th June to make a decision on the planning permission.Henry Irving said:
Agree. Very good news and well done Roland for funding it.Nug said:That is excellent news, well done the Board, didn't have much choice but sounds like they are going the whole hog.
Seems to start w/c 19 May and finish W/C 7 July. Not sure if that includes the time it takes for the pitch to "bed in".
I'll have a bet on our first league game being away from home.
Doesn't leave much contingency time if the works overrun.1 -
FFS RD just comes here brings his own players brings his own pitch. TJ/MS IN :-)0
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The reason why we need planning permission is that the new pitch will be built on the Peninsula :-)12
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Don't want the moles getting their arses burnt...AddickFC81 said:Tbh didn't think you would need planning permission for undersoil heating.
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So we're getting a pitch from Sheffield. Can I be the first to say, "Massive".0
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From Sheffield? God's own grass!0
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Interesting that the report suggests that there is little no knowledge of the old drainage system - surely there must be plans somewhere of what they put in there? Plans sound great though, I look forward to seeing us playing total football...0
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No, we intend to play football on it, not smoke it! :-)Yorkshireaddick said:From Sheffield? God's own grass!
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Copied from other thread as it's more relevant here: The club doesn't need to wait for planning permission to do the work on the pitch. It's perfectly legal to proceed without it - even if it was a structure that is likely to affect others, which it isn't - in anticipation of the decision and almost impossible to see such an application being turned down. It makes no difference, legally, if the work has already been done by the time it is approved and it's likely to be approved by officers under delegated powers rather than at committee, I would think.
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sweet to the point and reassuring for fans.
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having a pitch play on is pretty fundamental to a football club and thats one of the biggest sticks i use to beat TJ & MS with because how can you leave a club in that situation over single digit thousands and yet still claim you are men of substance? am aware the total overhaul is a six figure number but the price to keep the pitch playable for 2013/2014 would have been a five figure number.0 -
Just had a quick look at the docuemntation and this is not an application for planning permission but for a certificate of lawful existing use.
You would only make an application like this if you have been using land for a particualr purpose for more than 10 years but without planning permission. The clear implication is that planning permission was not secured when we moved back to the Valley, which might be news to former members of the Greenwich planning committee!
A bit bizarre really...0 -
My back of the envelope calculation is that we're talking about around 400 truck loads of waste out of the site and a similar number bringing in the new stuff + plus all the pipework, etc. That's a fair bit of disruption for the local residents - would that be why consent was needed?.0
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I had to look up lawful planning certificate and it seems it's a sort of insurance against the Council being able to stop work or activity associated with a site's use. Nothing to do with planning permission. Jints - it can be used for retrospective or prospective activity, it does not mean we've been using the pitch illegally.
The work is due to start on 19 May regardless according to the Project Plan, so just looks like insurance against bureaucracy putting a spanner in a perfectly kosher multi million pound project.0 -
Agreed, but how is that disruption any worse than 15000 people walking about making noise 23 times a year?cafcfan said:My back of the envelope calculation is that we're talking about around 400 truck loads of waste out of the site and a similar number bringing in the new stuff + plus all the pipework, etc. That's a fair bit of disruption for the local residents - would that be why consent was needed?.
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Looks great, but why get an amazing pitch when you are trying to get relegated to save 4m ?6
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Tut tut - 28,000 walking about making noise 19 times a year (plus domestic and European cup games).Ross said:
Agreed, but how is that disruption any worse than 15000 people walking about making noise 23 times a year?cafcfan said:My back of the envelope calculation is that we're talking about around 400 truck loads of waste out of the site and a similar number bringing in the new stuff + plus all the pipework, etc. That's a fair bit of disruption for the local residents - would that be why consent was needed?.
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A mate of mine is sorting your pitch out, he's a big Wednesday fan too, said he's gonna bury some Wednesday scarves just below the surface......... muhahahaha.1
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Happy days. If theres Wednesday on the pitch, when we go 2-0 down, we'll be sure to come back and win 3-2.operationpig said:A mate of mine is sorting your pitch out, he's a big Wednesday fan too, said he's gonna bury some Wednesday scarves just below the surface......... muhahahaha.
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You may have just put your mate in it pigoperationpig said:A mate of mine is sorting your pitch out, he's a big Wednesday fan too, said he's gonna bury some Wednesday scarves just below the surface......... muhahahaha.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10551616.Builders_sacked_for_Pompey_shirt_prank_at_Saints__training_ground/
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Of course this isn't true , as if you've got any mates ....operationpig said:A mate of mine is sorting your pitch out, he's a big Wednesday fan too, said he's gonna bury some Wednesday scarves just below the surface......... muhahahaha.
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Yeah, the Blue Square Premiership...markmc68 said:Under heating system. What next? Premiership football.
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Like we bury you on your pitch on a regular basis?operationpig said:A mate of mine is sorting your pitch out, he's a big Wednesday fan too, said he's gonna bury some Wednesday scarves just below the surface......... muhahahaha.
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They normally put Wednesday on pitches - it helps the grass grow.ValleyGary said:
Happy days. If theres Wednesday on the pitch, when we go 2-0 down, we'll be sure to come back and win 3-2.operationpig said:A mate of mine is sorting your pitch out, he's a big Wednesday fan too, said he's gonna bury some Wednesday scarves just below the surface......... muhahahaha.
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can i be the first to moan about no celtic/rangers* home friendly for yet another year.Henry Irving said:
Agree. Very good news and well done Roland for funding it.Nug said:That is excellent news, well done the Board, didn't have much choice but sounds like they are going the whole hog.
Seems to start w/c 19 May and finish W/C 7 July. Not sure if that includes the time it takes for the pitch to "bed in".
I'll have a bet on our first league game being away from home.
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Haven't had time to look at the detail of this, but usually if you do something for ten years without being served with an enforcement notice then in planning terms I would think you wouldn't need consent because it would be established as appropriate use by its longevity. Main reason I can see that you might still apply is if you were doing something slightly different - putting up an ancillary outbuilding might qualify - as there are often ambiguities about whether formal permission is needed for minor structures (householders usually have permitted development rights for such things). Essentially this would just say that the council has been made aware and agrees consent isn't required.Jints said:Just had a quick look at the docuemntation and this is not an application for planning permission but for a certificate of lawful existing use.
You would only make an application like this if you have been using land for a particualr purpose for more than 10 years but without planning permission. The clear implication is that planning permission was not secured when we moved back to the Valley, which might be news to former members of the Greenwich planning committee!
A bit bizarre really...
In the unlikely event it turned down the request for a lawful use certificate, the club would simply make a retrospective planning application and even if the council turned that down for political reasons, which it wouldn't, it would almost certainly be granted on appeal by the planning inspectorate.
On reflection, it's possible that someone may have realised there would lorries rumbling down the road in the week of the local elections (May 22nd). If lawful use is established then the council can argue that the works are outside its control.
There were a lot of issues around minor planning consents for things like turnstiles and toilets when the club went back in 1992. They weren't of any consequence. The disclosure is interesting, of course, and the works are good news, no question.0 -
At least we have an excuse for our poor home record next season... "the players aren't used to playing on grass at The Valley"...2
