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AFC Bournemouth post £15.3m loss for 2012-13

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27224806

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/11180579.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_declare___15million_losses/?ref=rss

It's been mentioned elsewhere, but still this is a staggering figure. And their wage bill in L1 was £11m, whereas our Championship wage bill was £7.5

I would imagine they'll be struggling to meet the FFP target for 2013/14 (bearing in mind the wages they are giving someone I won't mention) unless Lallana leaves Southampton (they'll get 25% of the transfer fee)

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  • Bloody Royal Mail
  • Why would they get 25% of the Lallana money? He left them when he was 12!
  • WSS said:

    Why would they get 25% of the Lallana money? He left them when he was 12!

    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamPlyrsBios/PlayersL/BioLallanaAD.html

    It appears this was part of the deal.

  • That's mental.
  • That's a cracking bit of business by Bournemouth. Highlights how good Southampton's scouting is too - Lallana looks the bollocks every time I see him play.
  • Great backroom staff to get that deal, makes our habit of giving kids away even more sickening
  • Worth keeping en eye on if they have to start shipping players. They've got a striker that would be worth a punt on.
  • Mad that a team who came so close to going bust not long ago, went down to the conference (I think) and have a small stadium and little history run up this sort of loss. It is simply unsustainable and if I was a fan I would be very worried.

    Large debts from large clubs always find another mug buyer to purchase them, clubs like Bournemouth won't.

    Then they will be expecting sympathy from the footy community and everyone will say how hard done by the fans are.

    It seems almost impossible to break even in the Champ but this sort of excess is voluntary and mad.
  • If FFP is going to bite they have a major problem. Either they plan to contest the rule or they aren't thinking straight.

    When they signed Yann Kermorgant they were safe from relegation and yet, realistically, would have needed a miracle to make the Play-Offs. Why then pre committ scarce budget by offering a 32-year old an expensive two and a half year deal? They've also sunk a rumoured £400,000 which they'll simply need to write off over the length of the contract; it's highly unlikely they'll be able to sell Yann for a fee. It really doesn't make any sense.

    I really hope that the Football League has the cojones to enforce the FFP rules.
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  • Owned by a rich Russian ain't they that loss is nothing by his standards
  • Owned by a rich Russian ain't they that loss is nothing by his standards

    That's true, but the loss is almost double that allowed under the Financial Fair Play rules and will be a major problem if those rules are enforced. It could be that Demin assumes that his army of legal advisors will contest any sanctions, enabling him to do as he pleases.
  • edited May 2014

    That's a cracking bit of business by Bournemouth. Highlights how good Southampton's scouting is too - Lallana looks the bollocks every time I see him play.

    Some on here suggested he is not as good as streaky racon.

    Have we not f up a sell on?
  • Owned by a rich Russian ain't they that loss is nothing by his standards

    That's true, but the loss is almost double that allowed under the Financial Fair Play rules and will be a major problem if those rules are enforced. It could be that Demin assumes that his army of legal advisors will contest any sanctions, enabling him to do as he pleases.
    we don't know how much of those losses were staff wages and transfer fees and how much were on infrastructure and off the field costs - which are exempt from FFP.
  • I wouldn't worry about FFP no one else will
  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27224806

    http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/11180579.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_declare___15million_losses/?ref=rss

    It's been mentioned elsewhere, but still this is a staggering figure. And their wage bill in L1 was £11m, whereas our Championship wage bill was £7.5

    I would imagine they'll be struggling to meet the FFP target for 2013/14 (bearing in mind the wages they are giving someone I won't mention) unless Lallana leaves Southampton (they'll get 25% of the transfer fee)

    Goodness me that's cheap. What was all the fuss about then with Slater and TJ?
  • Owned by a rich Russian ain't they that loss is nothing by his standards

    That's true, but the loss is almost double that allowed under the Financial Fair Play rules and will be a major problem if those rules are enforced. It could be that Demin assumes that his army of legal advisors will contest any sanctions, enabling him to do as he pleases.
    we don't know how much of those losses were staff wages and transfer fees and how much were on infrastructure and off the field costs - which are exempt from FFP.
    That's true, but to put the gap of £7m between their loss last year and the FFP limit for the year just ending into perspective our add backs are around £2m.
  • dizzee said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27224806

    http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/11180579.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_declare___15million_losses/?ref=rss

    It's been mentioned elsewhere, but still this is a staggering figure. And their wage bill in L1 was £11m, whereas our Championship wage bill was £7.5

    I would imagine they'll be struggling to meet the FFP target for 2013/14 (bearing in mind the wages they are giving someone I won't mention) unless Lallana leaves Southampton (they'll get 25% of the transfer fee)

    Goodness me that's cheap. What was all the fuss about then with Slater and TJ?

    They didn't have it?
  • edited May 2014

    dizzee said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27224806

    http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/11180579.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_declare___15million_losses/?ref=rss

    It's been mentioned elsewhere, but still this is a staggering figure. And their wage bill in L1 was £11m, whereas our Championship wage bill was £7.5

    I would imagine they'll be struggling to meet the FFP target for 2013/14 (bearing in mind the wages they are giving someone I won't mention) unless Lallana leaves Southampton (they'll get 25% of the transfer fee)

    Goodness me that's cheap. What was all the fuss about then with Slater and TJ?
    They didn't have it?
    What, £7.50?
  • Owned by a rich Russian ain't they that loss is nothing by his standards

    That's true, but the loss is almost double that allowed under the Financial Fair Play rules and will be a major problem if those rules are enforced. It could be that Demin assumes that his army of legal advisors will contest any sanctions, enabling him to do as he pleases.
    we don't know how much of those losses were staff wages and transfer fees and how much were on infrastructure and off the field costs - which are exempt from FFP.
    The wage bill was £11m, I doubt that was accounted for by admin staff! Their academy is only Category 3 so will be cheaper than ours too. Capital spend (like new stands) doesn't go into the profit and loss account, losses on players would do.

    The interesting thing with the Lallana transfer clause, is that it would only be triggered when Soton sold him. Thus if he moved in the current financial year, the profit would offset any losses. If he moved in August, the profit would go into the 2014/15 accounts.

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  • There is another school of thought that certain clubs are willing to pay FFP penalties as these are low compared to the prize of attaining promotion. However the FFP limits are reducing next season and there is some talk of a rolling approach instead of awaiting the final accounts.
    There are a number of clubs operating at or over the limits and thus inflating player salaries. Let us see how the rules are enforced this time.
    In future should a club with 10,000 fans be allowed to outbid a club like Charlton for players if they are overspending?
  • WSSWSS
    edited May 2014
    In my mind, yes.

    Should a small IT start up company be able to pay higher salaries to people than Google so they can get better talent and grow their business?

    I just can't see FFP working.
  • FFP is already working in two ways: Brighton and Boro have cut their wage bills to comply and Brighton have even sold players. And the overspending clubs have got together to challenge the rules meaning that they feel threatened. Make no mistake, Bournemouth are ambitious and will be in for the same players we are looking at including perhaps some of our best out of contract players?
    I see your point about small start ups but without some framework then the competition for promotion (and the Premier League title) is about who has the richest owner and not who has the best footballing set up.
    I can see FFP working mainly because the vast majority of clubs signed up to it. But it will have unintended consequences and we also have higher parachute payments arriving so around 10-12 clubs will have extra revenue (and extra costs with their inflated player contracts)
    I recently heard that the US restrict sports clubs to $150M of debt - perhaps this is something the authorities should look at too?
  • WSS said:

    In my mind, yes.

    Should a small IT start up company be able to pay higher salaries to people than Google so they can get better talent and grow their business?

    I agree with this view in general. On one level it's ridiculous to prevent businesses "investing" for the future. Why shouldn't they be free to choose?

    However, the background to FFP is what some economists call an "Arms Race". Once some Clubs begin to spend more than they earn, to speculate to accumulate, others have no choice other than to do the same, not just in an attempt to win promotion, but simply to survive in the Championship.

    The result is a classical Arms Race outcome in which everybody is losing money, but in which nobody gains. As this process gathers momentum, losses continue to rise while individual Clubs simply stand still. This very process eventually led to the total debts of Championship Clubs exceeding £1billion.

    The solution to this "everybody loses" outcome was a colective agreement by all Clubs in the Championship to limit losses. That agreement was designed to be and is in the interests of all Clubs - though the term "fair play" is misleading. The difficulty with such an arrangement, of course, is that each individual Club has an incentive to cheat. If everybody else stops spending then you gain if you don't play by the rules.

    To address this obvious difficulty the Clubs also agreed that those Clubs which cheated, including themselves, should be sanctioned. The chosen sanction, a restriction on player registrations, ought to be very effective.

    This was all very rational and in American Sports there are many arrangements of this kind, salary caps for example, despite the US being a cathedral of capitalism. This is because those who own US Sports franchises understand that free markets don't always work and deliver good outcomes even if the looney right haven't got there yet.

    It will be very interesting to see what happens now. No doubt Clubs facing sanctions will resist, but if changes in the rules are anything more than transitory, i.e. to ease adjustment, it will very disappointing and further evidence of what an unruly rabble Football Club owners typically are.
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