A genuine question to the many Labour voters on here. Why is it that the Labour party has been and is so eager to intervene militarily in foreign countries under the guise of "regime change" yet views the defence of British territory like the Falklands with contempt?
Does Stan Collymore making a tit of himself (once again) really need to be turned into a party political issue?
Stan Collymore was the one to mention Labour in this context hence it is relevant.
This is what he said. Am I missing something, other than the censored swear word?
From the linked article:
......"In response to a request from Falklands Radio on Twitter for Collymore to explain his comments in an interview, he replied: 'The tweets are unambiguous enough for you to use common sense.'
Collymore, who said he had voted Labour in every election since his first in 1990, also published an image of a tweet he posted in 2012 that encouraged people to wear a poppy on Remembrance Day.
UK v ARGENTINA: FALKLANDS WAR
Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands, a remote UK colony, in April 1982. It engaged British and Argentinian forces in the biggest naval conflict since the Second World War.
Argentinian junta leader General Leopoldo Galtieri wanted to reclaim sovereignty of the islands, and sent 600 troops to take them.
But the UK fought back, with Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher saying the 1,800 residents there were ‘of British tradition and stock’.
The battle ended 74 days after the initial invasion, on June 14. Some 655 Argentine and 255 British servicemen lost their lives in the conflict, as well as three Falkland Islanders.
In a referendum in March 2013, which saw a 92 per cent turnout, 1,513 islanders vote to retain their status as British overseas territory, with just three voting against.
It's not a quote. He never actually said those words.
Typical Daily Mail inserting political digs where they have no place. Obviously their readers lap up any chance they get to score political points too.
The article says, if you read it, Collymore, WHO SAID he had voted Labour in every election since his first in 1990 however you carry on believing he didn't say it if you like.
If it said "Collymore, who played 65 matches for Nottingham Forest and 64 matches for Liverpool", would it mean that all Forest and Liverpool players think the Falklands should be handed to Argentina?
One is about ideology and belief and I have already supplied a link showing the support amongst devotees of that ideology for returning the Falklands to Argentina. The other is a factual statement of career history so not comparing like with like.
The answer to your question is therefore no.
Try again.
Stan Collymore has views on the Falklands. Stan Collymore also has views on the Labour party. Neither of these have been linked even in your article (nowhere is there a quote saying or even suggesting that Collymore thinks what he does about the Falklands because he supports Labour).
You have jumped to the logical conclusion (which was conveniently exactly the same place as you had started) to state that the Labour party thinks the Falklands should be part of Argentina.
A huge logical jump.
A thread about the Argentinian team making a political statement, and you've taken the opportunity to use a footballer's twitter comments to have a pop at Labour... I have no idea why - there's plenty to criticise about them without resorting to such nonsense.
They don't allow it, which is why the Argentines will cop a very big fine for this, it's disgraceful conduct from them.
FIFA take a very strong line on this stuff because once they let it start then people will keep pushing it further.
I'm pretty sure Argentina do the same thing before every game and have done for a few years now - FIFA have never intervened before.
I would seriously doubt that is true but would wełcome evidence to the contrary.
"It is often unfurled before Argentina play international matches, and apparently indicates the players’ support of the country’s claims to sovereignty over the islands, which have been ruled by Britain since 1833."
I just found that too! But I can't find any actual evidence that they have done it in terms of pictures and first-hand reports of them doing so - that's not to say they have not done it previously.
...I mean, naming your top division The Cruiser General Belgrano is taking things just a bit too far!
I think they have really picked a bad time to pull this stunt and FIFA will take action because the World Cup is such a huge event that they cannot allow this sort of stuff because before you know it you'll have every country out there taking digs at each other over political stuff.
I think Len is getting a bit ahead of himself here, its hard enough to get Ed Milliband to take a policy position on anything, let alone the bloody Falkland Islands!
In terms of the future of the islands its going to be interesting to see how long the UK government is prepared to carry on spending around 70 million quid every year to defend the islands - especially given the ongoing pressure on military spending.
The other issue further down the track is that LATAM is the next big growth market for trade and the Americans, Chinese and EU are all jockeying for position in terms of trade deals.
The Argies are potless and a basket-case but they do have a lot of political clout in LATAM and have pretty strong support from most other countries in the region over the Falklands issue so it is definitely going to be a factor in any EU trade talks with LATAM countries down the track.
Len WTF are you going on about? I vote conservative and believe rapists and paedophiles should be castrated and burnt at the stake. Does that make this official Tory policy?
Setting aside the political angle, only a barking mad Falklander would have voted to join a country that has politicians that couldn't run the proverbial whelk stall. Argentina's economy is, once again, on the brink. So, will it be adding to it's list of world records: largest, ever external debt default; three internal debt defaults since 1980, etc, etc. The country is a basket case. washingtonpost.com/opinions/argentinas-economic-crisis/2014/01/30/a35d1818-878f-11e3-833c-33098f9e5267_story.html
I've noticed a few people wearing Argentina tops on after the World Cup, why? World Cup fever? Messi? ffs. I saw a bloke must have been in his late 40s wearing an Argentinian shirt wtf? is it just me that just cannot figure that one out?
I've noticed a few people wearing Argentina tops on after the World Cup, why? World Cup fever? Messi? ffs. I saw a bloke must have been in his late 40s wearing an Argentinian shirt wtf? is it just me that just cannot figure that one out?
Argentina ffs!
My 8 year old son had been out with his grandad(my father in law) and he came home with the argies away top ! He said he got it cos he liked the look of the top and Messi I said yeah it is a smart top but you wouldn't buy a murrr(scum) top if they had a nice one ..... I then tried to explain a little about the Falklands and why some Argies aren't keen on us but I backed off and told him only England and Charlton tops are allowed from now on ..... Bollox to freedom of choice ! Basically I didn't know how to handle the situation and the father in law doesn't know how to say no to his grand kids
I've noticed a few people wearing Argentina tops on after the World Cup, why? World Cup fever? Messi? ffs. I saw a bloke must have been in his late 40s wearing an Argentinian shirt wtf? is it just me that just cannot figure that one out?
Argentina ffs!
My 8 year old son had been out with his grandad(my father in law) and he came home with the argies away top ! He said he got it cos he liked the look of the top and Messi I said yeah it is a smart top but you wouldn't buy a murrr(scum) top if they had a nice one ..... I then tried to explain a little about the Falklands and why some Argies aren't keen on us but I backed off and told him only England and Charlton tops are allowed from now on ..... Bollox to freedom of choice ! Basically I didn't know how to handle the situation and the father in law doesn't know how to say no to his grand kids
Sounds to me like you need to "have a quiet word" with his granddad.
If you visit the country you realise what a beautiful place it is, how great its people are, and how good its football culture is. And holding a grudge over some absurd geopolitics in the 80s suddenly seems a bit ridiculous.
If you visit the country you realise what a beautiful place it is, how great its people are, and how good its football culture is. And holding a grudge over some absurd geopolitics in the 80s suddenly seems a bit ridiculous.
If you visit the country you realise what a beautiful place it is, how great its people are, and how good its football culture is. And holding a grudge over some absurd geopolitics in the 80s suddenly seems a bit ridiculous.
Really? Residents of Buenos Aires are renowned for being arrogant dickheads. It’s easily the rudest city I’ve been to and it was the same regardless of your nationality. Other places were a bit better.
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They can campaign all they want if its legal, or within Fifa rules etc as long as thats all they do
Stan Collymore has views on the Falklands. Stan Collymore also has views on the Labour party. Neither of these have been linked even in your article (nowhere is there a quote saying or even suggesting that Collymore thinks what he does about the Falklands because he supports Labour).
You have jumped to the logical conclusion (which was conveniently exactly the same place as you had started) to state that the Labour party thinks the Falklands should be part of Argentina.
A huge logical jump.
A thread about the Argentinian team making a political statement, and you've taken the opportunity to use a footballer's twitter comments to have a pop at Labour... I have no idea why - there's plenty to criticise about them without resorting to such nonsense.
I DID find this rather interesting report...
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1021854
...I mean, naming your top division The Cruiser General Belgrano is taking things just a bit too far!
I think they have really picked a bad time to pull this stunt and FIFA will take action because the World Cup is such a huge event that they cannot allow this sort of stuff because before you know it you'll have every country out there taking digs at each other over political stuff.
In terms of the future of the islands its going to be interesting to see how long the UK government is prepared to carry on spending around 70 million quid every year to defend the islands - especially given the ongoing pressure on military spending.
The other issue further down the track is that LATAM is the next big growth market for trade and the Americans, Chinese and EU are all jockeying for position in terms of trade deals.
The Argies are potless and a basket-case but they do have a lot of political clout in LATAM and have pretty strong support from most other countries in the region over the Falklands issue so it is definitely going to be a factor in any EU trade talks with LATAM countries down the track.
washingtonpost.com/opinions/argentinas-economic-crisis/2014/01/30/a35d1818-878f-11e3-833c-33098f9e5267_story.html
nationalreview.com/corner/363924/argentinas-debt-follies-samuel-gregg
It's probably only Messi's wealth that could save it - if he'd like to make a contribution.....
Ready and willing to attack, but their defence is not so good.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2707088/Argentina-FA-fined-19-540-displaying-Falklands-banner-ahead-World-Cup.html
Argentina ffs!
Listen guys, I support Wednesday yeah, but please calm down with the constant compliments it's getting too much.
Oh..... I was in the South West nr Torquay when I spotted the latest person wearing one as well.
He said he got it cos he liked the look of the top and Messi
I said yeah it is a smart top but you wouldn't buy a murrr(scum) top if they had a nice one ..... I then tried to explain a little about the Falklands and why some Argies aren't keen on us but I backed off and told him only England and Charlton tops are allowed from now on ..... Bollox to freedom of choice !
Basically I didn't know how to handle the situation and the father in law doesn't know how to say no to his grand kids
Mind you my 1yo is currently upstairs in west ham pyjamas.
Have left him to soak in his bed just so he learns.
And wearing an Argentina top is not on. Leave that to the stinking argies