He is injured and shouldn't be playing. For the first time in my life I am ITK on something. There is a dispute between some of the fitness and medical staff as to whether he should be playing. He hasn't been fit to play all season, so saying that he isn't interested and that his attitude stinks is well wide of the mark IMO.
Well, he doesn't look fit to me and having spoken to Vetokele in the past, he doesn't strike me as someone who would "mess around".
I have to say, we shouldn't have made him play last season, when he was clearly not fit.
If I was him, I would have refused to play. He could even have a "case" against the club, if he was made to play when unfit. I can't see that it's much different to demanding someone comes to work, when they are unwell.
He is injured and shouldn't be playing. For the first time in my life I am ITK on something. There is a dispute between some of the fitness and medical staff as to whether he should be playing. He hasn't been fit to play all season, so saying that he isn't interested and that his attitude stinks is well wide of the mark IMO.
Glad you posted that.
Do you know if it is the Achilles injury failing to heal, or something else?
Playing him last season while injured was a mistake. He didn't score many in that period and in the process we made his injury worse. Now it looks like he has put on some timber and has lost his pace. There is a good player in thete but he shouldn't be near the first team at present until he is fully fit.
This.
I like transparency not only in transfers !( i'm like a dog with a bone)but also in injury situations. This would help the players and stop fans putting the same question to the players when they turn up to watch matches or are only on the bench because of a problem.
It may of only been done to confused Blackburn, (it didn't work) But those of us who were at Wolves and saw Simon last only a few minutes but play on with a hamstring issue until the sub was ready, knew that it was unlikely he would be fit for 2 games in 4 days after the International break. He came on and assisted the goal in the Rotherham game but struggled and went off with the same problem late on against Huddersfield. At the team briefing last Thursday Guy said "no new injury worries" ?
Did he mean Big Mak's injury Was an old injury ? (done at Wolves)
So when the statement said "Simon Makienok injured in training on Friday," this was revealed on Saturday.
Was this just Smoke and Mirrors for Blackburn ?
Must have been smoke and mirrors as its not the style of the cafc board/management team to lie to us?
There is something far wrong with this guy and IF he is not fiit he should not be playing. I have a feeling there is more to this however as I cannot believe the management would be stupid enough to continue to play him if he is NOT fit. Perhaps he has personal problems and wants away???
He is injured and shouldn't be playing. For the first time in my life I am ITK on something. There is a dispute between some of the fitness and medical staff as to whether he should be playing. He hasn't been fit to play all season, so saying that he isn't interested and that his attitude stinks is well wide of the mark IMO.
Glad you posted that.
Do you know if it is the Achilles injury failing to heal, or something else?
Sorry, I don't know the details. I had a two minute conversation with someone who works with the players and who wasn't happy that Igor was being played. Given his role, he was in a position to know.
Regretting naming one of the goldfish we bought this time last year Igor now. Come to think of it he's been tucking away some weed and has put a few pounds on too.
He is injured and shouldn't be playing. For the first time in my life I am ITK on something. There is a dispute between some of the fitness and medical staff as to whether he should be playing. He hasn't been fit to play all season, so saying that he isn't interested and that his attitude stinks is well wide of the mark IMO.
Glad you posted that.
Do you know if it is the Achilles injury failing to heal, or something else?
Sorry, I don't know the details. I had a two minute conversation with someone who works with the players and who wasn't happy that Igor was being played. Given his role, he was in a position to know.
Need another decent striker so that injured / out of form players can recover and be rested. (+attacking/ creative midfield, pace on wing)
I cannot believe the management would be stupid enough to continue to play him if he is NOT fit.
Of course the management would not do that - clear from the way they have given Big Mak loads of time to recover and not tried to rush him back at all...
There is something far wrong with this guy and IF he is not fiit he should not be playing. I have a feeling there is more to this however as I cannot believe the management would be stupid enough to continue to play him if he is NOT fit. Perhaps he has personal problems and wants away???
What ? The management played him most of last season when he clearly wasn't fit ! Where were you ? Mind you I don't blame the management, when your only other option was Simon Church or KAG.
There definitely seems to be something wrong with Igor. Not long after he came on up at Blackburn he seemed to trip over his own feet as he was turning into the play (he wasn't really challenging for the ball, just moving into the play). Ended up writhing around on the deck and play was held up for what seemed like 2 or 3 minutes while he was being treated. Very strange. It looked the actions of a very tired and hurting player.
This situation with Vetokele really needs sorting. It's a long time since I've seen such an over weight forward in a Charlton shirt. His arrival on the pitch at Blackburn was embarrassing. Please don't shout me down and say Kermorgant. No comparison.
Was told last year it was an heal injury. He believed he needed an operation and he couldn't train ( we still played him). He wasn't happy about that. If that was true then either full rest or an operation should have happened in the close season. Our medical staff must have thought he didn't need it ? He did play pre season but not on the all weather surface. He clearly isn't training again.
Operation , full recovery, or sell him back to Copenhagen .
There definitely seems to be something wrong with Igor. Not long after he came on up at Blackburn he seemed to trip over his own feet as he was turning into the play (he wasn't really challenging for the ball, just moving into the play). Ended up writhing around on the deck and play was held up for what seemed like 2 or 3 minutes while he was being treated. Very strange. It looked the actions of a very tired and hurting player.
I don't know what is troubling me more. The unreasonable trashing of a good young player by some on here, or the emerging information about his injury and treatment, as contained in your post and that of @Uboat and @Goonerhater.
There definitely seems to be something wrong with Igor. Not long after he came on up at Blackburn he seemed to trip over his own feet as he was turning into the play (he wasn't really challenging for the ball, just moving into the play). Ended up writhing around on the deck and play was held up for what seemed like 2 or 3 minutes while he was being treated. Very strange. It looked the actions of a very tired and hurting player.
He is either carrying an injury or is injury prone.
It will be a shame if things do not work out for him with us as the first ten games of last season showed me could play football.
Hopefully the club can actually sort this out as it is doing nobody any good at the moment. Igor is obviously not right and surely it makes sense for the club to make sure one of their assets is fit enough to do himself justice when playing. I really don't get why when we were safe last season and we could not get into the playoffs why we did not get the problem sorted then rather play a half fit Igor when ultimately the matches counted for nothing as we were always gonna finish mid table
Can't blame an achilles injury for being unfit, he looked fat in the off-season and still hasn't shed it, looks disinterested. Needs to get his nutrition and training right before he's even near our first team, I'm sure with the right rehab during this time too he'll be ready. At the moment looks like he's just keeping it level as it is and progressing nowhere with injury rehab and match fitness.
There definitely seems to be something wrong with Igor. Not long after he came on up at Blackburn he seemed to trip over his own feet as he was turning into the play (he wasn't really challenging for the ball, just moving into the play). Ended up writhing around on the deck and play was held up for what seemed like 2 or 3 minutes while he was being treated. Very strange. It looked the actions of a very tired and hurting player.
He is carrying an injury or is injury prone timber.
Certainly Igor was playing last season with a injury and this did him no favours. Is he still injured is another question altogether. Igor thinks he is. Some of the treatment room staff don't. In any case he's performing far below what we need and something has to happen.
Hopefully the club can actually sort this out as it is doing nobody any good at the moment. Igor is obviously not right and surely it makes sense for the club to make sure one of their assets is fit enough to do himself justice when playing. I really don't get why when we were safe last season and we could not get into the playoffs why we did not get the problem sorted then rather play a half fit Igor when ultimately the matches counted for nothing as we were always gonna finish mid table
agree. If he's injured why are we persisting. Even if we (Charlton) think he's fit and he doesn't, his performances are clearly shit. Either way he's no good for us in his present state.
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Do you know if it is the Achilles injury failing to heal, or something else?
He could score 2 own goals, give away a penalty and then get sent off and people will still say 'it's because he's injured'.
Sounds a little like Mikel Alonso's match v Brentford.
Mind you I don't blame the management, when your only other option was Simon Church or KAG.
If that was true then either full rest or an operation should have happened in the close season. Our medical staff must have thought he didn't need it ?
He did play pre season but not on the all weather surface.
He clearly isn't training again.
Operation , full recovery, or sell him back to Copenhagen .
It will be a shame if things do not work out for him with us as the first ten games of last season showed me could play football.
I really don't get why when we were safe last season and we could not get into the playoffs why we did not get the problem sorted then rather play a half fit Igor when ultimately the matches counted for nothing as we were always gonna finish mid table
I think his Charlton days are numbered.