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Borg v Ibrahimovic
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Immense player, the whole big headed beyond belief thing is just funny.
I remember him breaking through at Ajax, he was quality even then and has gone up so many levels each season.
Bjorg isn't my time, i've grown up with Zlatan's career, for me he tops it.0 -
Richard wouldn't be having any of that on Pointless... :-)Fiiiiiish said:Immense player, the whole big headed beyond belief thing is just funny.
I remember him breaking through at Ajax, he was quality even then and has gone up so many levels each season.
Bjorg isn't my time, i've grown up with Zlatan's career, for me he tops it.0 -
You busy bastardI_Saw_Semedo_Score said:
Delusional. The bloke averaged 2 goals every 3 games at Inter Milan, where he won the league title (three years in a row) - and he left there in 2009. Averaged more than one in two for a pony footballing country like Sweden too - ironically a much superior strikerate to the players you mentioned - Messi and Ronaldo. These are facts, by the way. And no, I'm not say Ibrahimovic is better than them.soapboxsam said:
In his own head, he thinks he's as good as Ronaldo or Messi.I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:
I think his stats and honours throughout his career contradict your claim that he could never live up to his own hype.soapboxsam said:Untill 3 years ago, could never live up to his own hype.
Borg always let his grand slams do his talking.
would like to see him play alongside Igor.
you known he would get some stick from CAFC folk who think he's lazy ! (would he take 12k a week)
Having watched him play since he was a teenager it's only in the last 3 years he's had more good games than bad.
As for honours Gary Lineker was England best striker in the last 40 years (world cups) but can't remember him
winning much.
Plus Zlatan is arrogant and ugly, which is a terrible combo.
Strange that you'd say Ibrahimovic sees himself as in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Messi too. Even though he has openly blamed Messi and Guardiola for being forced out of Barcelona, he has frequently said that Messi is the best player in the world. Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
A lot of the stuff he says is to be funny, which, when taken with a pinch of salt, can be.
For someone who is solely a legend in his own mind, he hasn't half won a lot:
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Honours
Club
Ajax
Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02
Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002
Juventus
Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal)
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008
Barcelona
La Liga (1): 2009–10
Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009
Milan
Serie A (1): 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014
Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14
Individual
Golden Foot (1): 2012
FIFA Puskás Award (1): 2013
FIFA FIFPro World XI (1): 2013
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2013
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012
UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France
UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden
UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden
UEFA Champions League 2012-13: Most assists [74]
ESM Team of the Year (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Team of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012
Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011
Serie A Team of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12
Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match
Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012
Guldbollen (9): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
Jerringpriset (1): 2007
Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010
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Considering I'm not even a particularly big fan of Ibrahimovic, it seems strange that my longest ever post (which, admittedly has only taken all of three minutes to write but..) is about him. But there we have it....
Merry Christmas Mr. Soapbox!0 -
Could never vote for ZI, he's as bad as Battistuta, oiks the pair of them!0
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U wot m8?Bigbadbozman said:Could never vote for ZI, he's as bad as Battistuta, oiks the pair of them!
Batigol was one of the greatest of his generation.0 -
Not sure they'd accept a vote for Gabriel Batistuta as greatest Swedish sportsman anyway !Bigbadbozman said:Could never vote for ZI, he's as bad as Battistuta, oiks the pair of them!
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Stefan Edberg is another Swedish sporting great second only to Borg .. to me, players in solo sports always have the edge when it comes to 'who is the greatest' assessments ,, no assists and no-one to blame for defeats and no plaudits to share on success .. Ingmar Johansson the heavyweight boxer is another super Swede .. Ib ra wotsit ? .. good but he's not absolute top drawer, he's not quite 'carling'0
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Mats Wilander is another one. Won 7 grand slams but not Wimbledon.1
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Nothing against Zlatan but Borg by a mile for me. My all time favourite tennis player.1
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Outside.cafc4life said:
You busy bastardI_Saw_Semedo_Score said:
Delusional. The bloke averaged 2 goals every 3 games at Inter Milan, where he won the league title (three years in a row) - and he left there in 2009. Averaged more than one in two for a pony footballing country like Sweden too - ironically a much superior strikerate to the players you mentioned - Messi and Ronaldo. These are facts, by the way. And no, I'm not say Ibrahimovic is better than them.soapboxsam said:
In his own head, he thinks he's as good as Ronaldo or Messi.I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:
I think his stats and honours throughout his career contradict your claim that he could never live up to his own hype.soapboxsam said:Untill 3 years ago, could never live up to his own hype.
Borg always let his grand slams do his talking.
would like to see him play alongside Igor.
you known he would get some stick from CAFC folk who think he's lazy ! (would he take 12k a week)
Having watched him play since he was a teenager it's only in the last 3 years he's had more good games than bad.
As for honours Gary Lineker was England best striker in the last 40 years (world cups) but can't remember him
winning much.
Plus Zlatan is arrogant and ugly, which is a terrible combo.
Strange that you'd say Ibrahimovic sees himself as in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Messi too. Even though he has openly blamed Messi and Guardiola for being forced out of Barcelona, he has frequently said that Messi is the best player in the world. Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
A lot of the stuff he says is to be funny, which, when taken with a pinch of salt, can be.
For someone who is solely a legend in his own mind, he hasn't half won a lot:
___
Honours
Club
Ajax
Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02
Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002
Juventus
Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal)
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008
Barcelona
La Liga (1): 2009–10
Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009
Milan
Serie A (1): 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014
Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14
Individual
Golden Foot (1): 2012
FIFA Puskás Award (1): 2013
FIFA FIFPro World XI (1): 2013
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2013
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012
UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France
UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden
UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden
UEFA Champions League 2012-13: Most assists [74]
ESM Team of the Year (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Team of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012
Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011
Serie A Team of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12
Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match
Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012
Guldbollen (9): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
Jerringpriset (1): 2007
Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010
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Considering I'm not even a particularly big fan of Ibrahimovic, it seems strange that my longest ever post (which, admittedly has only taken all of three minutes to write but..) is about him. But there we have it....
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Hmmmmm......... A lot of real inconsequential stuff in here! At the end of the day he is/was not real top drawer. It's an embarrassment to the fella that he can attempt to counter Borg's achievements. Borg was an individual, all on his own, all alone. Ibramovich was lucky enough to be carried in top class 'teams' supported by others who, in the main, were better than him and were not as deludedly arrogant as he is/was. A bit of a damp squib frankly.I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:
Delusional. The bloke averaged 2 goals every 3 games at Inter Milan, where he won the league title (three years in a row) - and he left there in 2009. Averaged more than one in two for a pony footballing country like Sweden too - ironically a much superior strikerate to the players you mentioned - Messi and Ronaldo. These are facts, by the way. And no, I'm not say Ibrahimovic is better than them.soapboxsam said:
In his own head, he thinks he's as good as Ronaldo or Messi.I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:
I think his stats and honours throughout his career contradict your claim that he could never live up to his own hype.soapboxsam said:Untill 3 years ago, could never live up to his own hype.
Borg always let his grand slams do his talking.
would like to see him play alongside Igor.
you known he would get some stick from CAFC folk who think he's lazy ! (would he take 12k a week)
Having watched him play since he was a teenager it's only in the last 3 years he's had more good games than bad.
As for honours Gary Lineker was England best striker in the last 40 years (world cups) but can't remember him
winning much.
Plus Zlatan is arrogant and ugly, which is a terrible combo.
Strange that you'd say Ibrahimovic sees himself as in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Messi too. Even though he has openly blamed Messi and Guardiola for being forced out of Barcelona, he has frequently said that Messi is the best player in the world. Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
A lot of the stuff he says is to be funny, which, when taken with a pinch of salt, can be.
For someone who is solely a legend in his own mind, he hasn't half won a lot:
___
Honours
Club
Ajax
Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02
Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002
Juventus
Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal)
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008
Barcelona
La Liga (1): 2009–10
Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009
Milan
Serie A (1): 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014
Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14
Individual
Golden Foot (1): 2012
FIFA Puskás Award (1): 2013
FIFA FIFPro World XI (1): 2013
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2013
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012
UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France
UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden
UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden
UEFA Champions League 2012-13: Most assists [74]
ESM Team of the Year (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Team of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012
Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011
Serie A Team of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12
Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match
Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012
Guldbollen (9): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
Jerringpriset (1): 2007
Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010
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Considering I'm not even a particularly big fan of Ibrahimovic, it seems strange that my longest ever post (which, admittedly has only taken all of three minutes to write but..) is about him. But there we have it....
Merry Christmas Mr. Soapbox!0 -
I stopped reading at "is/was not top drawer".bazjonster said:
Hmmmmm......... A lot of real inconsequential stuff in here! At the end of the day he is/was not real top drawer. It's an embarrassment to the fella that he can attempt to counter Borg's achievements. Borg was an individual, all on his own, all alone. Ibramovich was lucky enough to be carried in top class 'teams' supported by others who, in the main, were better than him and were not as deludedly arrogant as he is/was. A bit of a damp squib frankly.I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:
Delusional. The bloke averaged 2 goals every 3 games at Inter Milan, where he won the league title (three years in a row) - and he left there in 2009. Averaged more than one in two for a pony footballing country like Sweden too - ironically a much superior strikerate to the players you mentioned - Messi and Ronaldo. These are facts, by the way. And no, I'm not say Ibrahimovic is better than them.soapboxsam said:
In his own head, he thinks he's as good as Ronaldo or Messi.I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:
I think his stats and honours throughout his career contradict your claim that he could never live up to his own hype.soapboxsam said:Untill 3 years ago, could never live up to his own hype.
Borg always let his grand slams do his talking.
would like to see him play alongside Igor.
you known he would get some stick from CAFC folk who think he's lazy ! (would he take 12k a week)
Having watched him play since he was a teenager it's only in the last 3 years he's had more good games than bad.
As for honours Gary Lineker was England best striker in the last 40 years (world cups) but can't remember him
winning much.
Plus Zlatan is arrogant and ugly, which is a terrible combo.
Strange that you'd say Ibrahimovic sees himself as in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Messi too. Even though he has openly blamed Messi and Guardiola for being forced out of Barcelona, he has frequently said that Messi is the best player in the world. Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
A lot of the stuff he says is to be funny, which, when taken with a pinch of salt, can be.
For someone who is solely a legend in his own mind, he hasn't half won a lot:
___
Honours
Club
Ajax
Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04
KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02
Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002
Juventus
Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal)
Internazionale
Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008
Barcelona
La Liga (1): 2009–10
Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009
Milan
Serie A (1): 2010–11
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011
Paris Saint-Germain
Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014
Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14
Individual
Golden Foot (1): 2012
FIFA Puskás Award (1): 2013
FIFA FIFPro World XI (1): 2013
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2013
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012
UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France
UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden
UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden
UEFA Champions League 2012-13: Most assists [74]
ESM Team of the Year (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Team of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer (2): 2012–13, 2013–14
Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012
Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011
Serie A Team of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12
Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match
Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012
Guldbollen (9): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
Jerringpriset (1): 2007
Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010
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Considering I'm not even a particularly big fan of Ibrahimovic, it seems strange that my longest ever post (which, admittedly has only taken all of three minutes to write but..) is about him. But there we have it....
Merry Christmas Mr. Soapbox!0
