Untill 3 years ago, could never live up to his own hype. Borg always let his grand slams do his talking.
would like to see him play alongside Igor. you known he would get some stick from CAFC folk who think he's lazy ! (would he take 12k a week)
I think his stats and honours throughout his career contradict your claim that he could never live up to his own hype.
In his own head, he thinks he's as good as Ronaldo or Messi.
Having watched him play since he was a teenager it's only in the last 3 years he's had more good games than bad. As for honours Gary Lineker was England best striker in the last 40 years (world cups) but can't remember him winning much.
Plus Zlatan is arrogant and ugly, which is a terrible combo.
Delusional. The bloke averaged 2 goals every 3 games at Inter Milan, where he won the league title (three years in a row) - and he left there in 2009. Averaged more than one in two for a pony footballing country like Sweden too - ironically a much superior strikerate to the players you mentioned - Messi and Ronaldo. These are facts, by the way. And no, I'm not say Ibrahimovic is better than them.
Strange that you'd say Ibrahimovic sees himself as in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Messi too. Even though he has openly blamed Messi and Guardiola for being forced out of Barcelona, he has frequently said that Messi is the best player in the world. Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
A lot of the stuff he says is to be funny, which, when taken with a pinch of salt, can be.
For someone who is solely a legend in his own mind, he hasn't half won a lot:
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Honours Club Ajax Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04 KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02 Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002 Juventus Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal) Internazionale Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09 Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008 Barcelona La Liga (1): 2009–10 Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010 UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009 FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009 Milan Serie A (1): 2010–11 Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011 Paris Saint-Germain Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014 Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14 Individual Golden Foot (1): 2012 FIFA Puskás Award (1): 2013 FIFA FIFPro World XI (1): 2013 UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2013 UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012 UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden UEFA Champions League 2012-13: Most assists [74] ESM Team of the Year (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Team of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012 Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012 Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011 Serie A Team of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12 Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012 Guldbollen (9): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 Jerringpriset (1): 2007 Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010
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Considering I'm not even a particularly big fan of Ibrahimovic, it seems strange that my longest ever post (which, admittedly has only taken all of three minutes to write but..) is about him. But there we have it....
Stefan Edberg is another Swedish sporting great second only to Borg .. to me, players in solo sports always have the edge when it comes to 'who is the greatest' assessments ,, no assists and no-one to blame for defeats and no plaudits to share on success .. Ingmar Johansson the heavyweight boxer is another super Swede .. Ib ra wotsit ? .. good but he's not absolute top drawer, he's not quite 'carling'
Untill 3 years ago, could never live up to his own hype. Borg always let his grand slams do his talking.
would like to see him play alongside Igor. you known he would get some stick from CAFC folk who think he's lazy ! (would he take 12k a week)
I think his stats and honours throughout his career contradict your claim that he could never live up to his own hype.
In his own head, he thinks he's as good as Ronaldo or Messi.
Having watched him play since he was a teenager it's only in the last 3 years he's had more good games than bad. As for honours Gary Lineker was England best striker in the last 40 years (world cups) but can't remember him winning much.
Plus Zlatan is arrogant and ugly, which is a terrible combo.
Delusional. The bloke averaged 2 goals every 3 games at Inter Milan, where he won the league title (three years in a row) - and he left there in 2009. Averaged more than one in two for a pony footballing country like Sweden too - ironically a much superior strikerate to the players you mentioned - Messi and Ronaldo. These are facts, by the way. And no, I'm not say Ibrahimovic is better than them.
Strange that you'd say Ibrahimovic sees himself as in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Messi too. Even though he has openly blamed Messi and Guardiola for being forced out of Barcelona, he has frequently said that Messi is the best player in the world. Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
A lot of the stuff he says is to be funny, which, when taken with a pinch of salt, can be.
For someone who is solely a legend in his own mind, he hasn't half won a lot:
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Honours Club Ajax Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04 KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02 Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002 Juventus Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal) Internazionale Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09 Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008 Barcelona La Liga (1): 2009–10 Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010 UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009 FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009 Milan Serie A (1): 2010–11 Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011 Paris Saint-Germain Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014 Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14 Individual Golden Foot (1): 2012 FIFA Puskás Award (1): 2013 FIFA FIFPro World XI (1): 2013 UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2013 UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012 UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden UEFA Champions League 2012-13: Most assists [74] ESM Team of the Year (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Team of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012 Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012 Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011 Serie A Team of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12 Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012 Guldbollen (9): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 Jerringpriset (1): 2007 Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010
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Considering I'm not even a particularly big fan of Ibrahimovic, it seems strange that my longest ever post (which, admittedly has only taken all of three minutes to write but..) is about him. But there we have it....
Untill 3 years ago, could never live up to his own hype. Borg always let his grand slams do his talking.
would like to see him play alongside Igor. you known he would get some stick from CAFC folk who think he's lazy ! (would he take 12k a week)
I think his stats and honours throughout his career contradict your claim that he could never live up to his own hype.
In his own head, he thinks he's as good as Ronaldo or Messi.
Having watched him play since he was a teenager it's only in the last 3 years he's had more good games than bad. As for honours Gary Lineker was England best striker in the last 40 years (world cups) but can't remember him winning much.
Plus Zlatan is arrogant and ugly, which is a terrible combo.
Delusional. The bloke averaged 2 goals every 3 games at Inter Milan, where he won the league title (three years in a row) - and he left there in 2009. Averaged more than one in two for a pony footballing country like Sweden too - ironically a much superior strikerate to the players you mentioned - Messi and Ronaldo. These are facts, by the way. And no, I'm not say Ibrahimovic is better than them.
Strange that you'd say Ibrahimovic sees himself as in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Messi too. Even though he has openly blamed Messi and Guardiola for being forced out of Barcelona, he has frequently said that Messi is the best player in the world. Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
A lot of the stuff he says is to be funny, which, when taken with a pinch of salt, can be.
For someone who is solely a legend in his own mind, he hasn't half won a lot:
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Honours Club Ajax Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04 KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02 Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002 Juventus Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal) Internazionale Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09 Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008 Barcelona La Liga (1): 2009–10 Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010 UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009 FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009 Milan Serie A (1): 2010–11 Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011 Paris Saint-Germain Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014 Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14 Individual Golden Foot (1): 2012 FIFA Puskás Award (1): 2013 FIFA FIFPro World XI (1): 2013 UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2013 UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012 UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden UEFA Champions League 2012-13: Most assists [74] ESM Team of the Year (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Team of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012 Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012 Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011 Serie A Team of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12 Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012 Guldbollen (9): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 Jerringpriset (1): 2007 Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010
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Considering I'm not even a particularly big fan of Ibrahimovic, it seems strange that my longest ever post (which, admittedly has only taken all of three minutes to write but..) is about him. But there we have it....
Merry Christmas Mr. Soapbox!
Hmmmmm......... A lot of real inconsequential stuff in here! At the end of the day he is/was not real top drawer. It's an embarrassment to the fella that he can attempt to counter Borg's achievements. Borg was an individual, all on his own, all alone. Ibramovich was lucky enough to be carried in top class 'teams' supported by others who, in the main, were better than him and were not as deludedly arrogant as he is/was. A bit of a damp squib frankly.
Untill 3 years ago, could never live up to his own hype. Borg always let his grand slams do his talking.
would like to see him play alongside Igor. you known he would get some stick from CAFC folk who think he's lazy ! (would he take 12k a week)
I think his stats and honours throughout his career contradict your claim that he could never live up to his own hype.
In his own head, he thinks he's as good as Ronaldo or Messi.
Having watched him play since he was a teenager it's only in the last 3 years he's had more good games than bad. As for honours Gary Lineker was England best striker in the last 40 years (world cups) but can't remember him winning much.
Plus Zlatan is arrogant and ugly, which is a terrible combo.
Delusional. The bloke averaged 2 goals every 3 games at Inter Milan, where he won the league title (three years in a row) - and he left there in 2009. Averaged more than one in two for a pony footballing country like Sweden too - ironically a much superior strikerate to the players you mentioned - Messi and Ronaldo. These are facts, by the way. And no, I'm not say Ibrahimovic is better than them.
Strange that you'd say Ibrahimovic sees himself as in the same bracket as Ronaldo and Messi too. Even though he has openly blamed Messi and Guardiola for being forced out of Barcelona, he has frequently said that Messi is the best player in the world. Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
A lot of the stuff he says is to be funny, which, when taken with a pinch of salt, can be.
For someone who is solely a legend in his own mind, he hasn't half won a lot:
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Honours Club Ajax Eredivisie (2): 2001–02, 2003–04 KNVB Cup (1): 2001–02 Johan Cruijff Shield (1): 2002 Juventus Serie A (2): 2004–05, 2005–06 (both revoked due to the Calciopoli scandal) Internazionale Serie A (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09 Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2006, 2008 Barcelona La Liga (1): 2009–10 Supercopa de España (2): 2009, 2010 UEFA Super Cup (1): 2009 FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2009 Milan Serie A (1): 2010–11 Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2011 Paris Saint-Germain Ligue 1 (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Trophée des champions (2): 2013, 2014 Coupe de la Ligue (1): 2013–14 Individual Golden Foot (1): 2012 FIFA Puskás Award (1): 2013 FIFA FIFPro World XI (1): 2013 UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2013 UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012 UEFA Euro 2012 Man of the Match: Sweden vs France UEFA Euro 2008 Man of the Match: Greece vs Sweden UEFA Euro 2004 Man of the Match: Italy vs Sweden UEFA Champions League 2012-13: Most assists [74] ESM Team of the Year (4): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Player of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Team of the Year (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Ligue 1 Top Goalscorer (2): 2012–13, 2013–14 Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012 Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (5): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012 Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011 Serie A Team of the Year (2): 2010–11, 2011–12 Supercoppa Italiana 2011: Man of the Match Serie A Player of the Month: January 2012 Guldbollen (9): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 Jerringpriset (1): 2007 Swedish Male Athlete of the Year (2): 2007, 2010
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Considering I'm not even a particularly big fan of Ibrahimovic, it seems strange that my longest ever post (which, admittedly has only taken all of three minutes to write but..) is about him. But there we have it....
Merry Christmas Mr. Soapbox!
Hmmmmm......... A lot of real inconsequential stuff in here! At the end of the day he is/was not real top drawer. It's an embarrassment to the fella that he can attempt to counter Borg's achievements. Borg was an individual, all on his own, all alone. Ibramovich was lucky enough to be carried in top class 'teams' supported by others who, in the main, were better than him and were not as deludedly arrogant as he is/was. A bit of a damp squib frankly.
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I remember him breaking through at Ajax, he was quality even then and has gone up so many levels each season.
Bjorg isn't my time, i've grown up with Zlatan's career, for me he tops it.
Batigol was one of the greatest of his generation.