Watched it yesterday, the Crazy Gang stuff was a bit before my time so was interesting but I agree Fashnu (and Vinnie Jones) came across terribly, Fashnu especially seems utterly deluded.
Scales, Besant and Sanchez appeared decent but that wouldn't have been difficult in comparison to the other two twonks.
Statement from Terry Gibson basically stating how fabricated the whole documentary was;
Following season (86-87) Wimbledon finished 6th, we survived the play-offs beating Leeds at St Andrews....never liked Wimbledon at the time but you can't deny that what they did was effective, and of course they won the FA Cup in 88.
I shared a cab from woolwich with the ref for game v notts county (game where Kim grant got abused and curbs went mad) just after fashanu did mabbutt, he was saying he should have got a life ban for what he called violent assault.
I shared a cab from woolwich with the ref for game v notts county (game where Kim grant got abused and curbs went mad) just after fashanu did mabbutt, he was saying he should have got a life ban for what he called violent assault.
What Fash did to Mabbs was downright disgusting. How Mabbs wasnt blinded by that elbow I'll never know.
You only have to read up on some of the stories around the way John Fashanu behaved about his brother's homosexuality to know what an arrogant, unpleasant individual he is.
You only have to read up on some of the stories around the way John Fashanu behaved about his brothers homosexuality to know what an arrogant, unpleasant individual he is.
Didn't he basically say he made it up for the attention?
You only have to read up on some of the stories around the way John Fashanu behaved about his brothers homosexuality to know what an arrogant, unpleasant individual he is.
At one point in the documentary he said that the Wimbledon players were like the "brother he never had" which was really sad/nasty I thought.
You only have to read up on some of the stories around the way John Fashanu behaved about his brothers homosexuality to know what an arrogant, unpleasant individual he is.
Didn't he basically say he made it up for the attention?
As se9addick's post suggests, John pretty much disowned Justin I think and was more worried about how it would make him look if it got out than he was about Justin's mental health and well being.
Justin was clearly a troubled young man but I don't think John did very much at all to help him come to terms with his issues, and if anything probably made his life harder. Seems pretty remorseless about it all when I've heard him speak about it more recently.
You'd like to think he's a bit of a dinosaur these days, but the fact we still don't have an out gay footballer in professional football in England does make you wonder if football has moved on all that much from those days, at least where players sexuality is concerned.
That's why I'm an atheist. If there was a God then Liverpool would have won the final 10-0. Crazy Gang! Bunch of cocks. Fashanu a prick of the highest order.
You only have to read up on some of the stories around the way John Fashanu behaved about his brothers homosexuality to know what an arrogant, unpleasant individual he is.
Didn't he basically say he made it up for the attention?
As se9addick's post suggests, John pretty much disowned Justin I think and was more worried about how it would make him look if it got out than he was about Justin's mental health and well being.
Justin was clearly a troubled young man but I don't think John did very much at all to help him come to terms with his issues, and if anything probably made his life harder. Seems pretty remorseless about it all when I've heard him speak about it more recently.
You'd like to think he's a bit of a dinosaur these days, but the fact we still don't have an out gay footballer in professional football in England does make you wonder if football has moved on all that much from those days, at least where players sexuality is concerned.
Johns disowning of Justin might not be down to Justin's homosexuality. There were some downright disgusting allegations about Justin.
You only have to read up on some of the stories around the way John Fashanu behaved about his brothers homosexuality to know what an arrogant, unpleasant individual he is.
Didn't he basically say he made it up for the attention?
As se9addick's post suggests, John pretty much disowned Justin I think and was more worried about how it would make him look if it got out than he was about Justin's mental health and well being.
Justin was clearly a troubled young man but I don't think John did very much at all to help him come to terms with his issues, and if anything probably made his life harder. Seems pretty remorseless about it all when I've heard him speak about it more recently.
You'd like to think he's a bit of a dinosaur these days, but the fact we still don't have an out gay footballer in professional football in England does make you wonder if football has moved on all that much from those days, at least where players sexuality is concerned.
Johns disowning of Justin might not be down to Justin's homosexuality. There were some downright disgusting allegations about Justin.
Really? Like what? If you can't post rumours on here any chance of a link?
Fashanu came across as an intimidating,condescending bully. Not a nice man,it was either his way or "lock the changing room door and we'll have a chat about it". Nice to see how his career ended.
I've just finished watching this and a couple of things come to mind:
The soundtrack was fantastic. Being a teenager in the 80s I loved the music;
Someone should have told Bobby Gould that he had something in the side of his mouth as he looked like he had rabies or something; and
John Fashanu is a proper idiot. He just came across as someone that is desperate to grab attention - any attention at all.
The rest of the players, including Vinnie Jones and Dennis Wise, came across well. The frank comments about life there from those that struggled with it gave credibility to some of the, obvious, exaggerated stories.
Biggest thing, however, was the fact that much of what was on there I didn't know or had forgotten. Even though I was jealous of them at the time as they made our achievements pale into insignificance, when what we achieved at that time was magnificent, by the end of the show I felt I was routing for some of them. Andy Thorne, in particular, came across very humbly, and Wally Downes, having been there since 1978, came across as legend for the club - all be it he left with Beasent and missed the Cup Final.
I hope that BT Sport look to make more documentaries about football clubs and events that were not so well covered by the media at the time and I thought this was a great bit to viewing, even if a lot of it was made up to give those insecure more attention - Fashanu!
Think that there was also a lot of rewriting of history going on there as well.
As John Barnes said on more than one occasion, if you think that players like Bryan Robson, Stuart Pearce, Tony Adams and many others were intimidated by thugs like Fashanu and Vinny Jones, then you are barking up the wrong tree.
Wimbledon did have some success at Plough Lane, but I remember an FA Cup game there in around 1986 when Tottenham, inspired by Hoddle and Waddle took them to the cleaners.
The secret behinds the success of Wimbledon was very simple, with some very decent business in the transfer market, as well as a bringing some of their own young players through, they had some very, very good players, a lot of whom either played for their country or even went to World Cups (Beasant, Phelan, Kenny Cunningham, Robbie Earle etc).
I think John Barnes has it spot on. Most teams back then could mix it up when they wanted to and had a player or two who were only too happy to give it back to them with interest. Fact is they were very well organised and could also play a bit when they wanted to, albeit it was more direct than many other teams around at the time.
Never bought into this biggest FA Cup shock thing.
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http://www.terrygibson.london/#!Crazy-Gang-Documentary/c1zqn/90957FC4-BAF2-4F60-8BCE-D4094277F586
Scales, Besant and Sanchez appeared decent but that wouldn't have been difficult in comparison to the other two twonks.
Statement from Terry Gibson basically stating how fabricated the whole documentary was;
http://www.terrygibson.london/#!Crazy-Gang-Documentary/c1zqn/90957FC4-BAF2-4F60-8BCE-D4094277F586
Justin was clearly a troubled young man but I don't think John did very much at all to help him come to terms with his issues, and if anything probably made his life harder. Seems pretty remorseless about it all when I've heard him speak about it more recently.
You'd like to think he's a bit of a dinosaur these days, but the fact we still don't have an out gay footballer in professional football in England does make you wonder if football has moved on all that much from those days, at least where players sexuality is concerned.
The soundtrack was fantastic. Being a teenager in the 80s I loved the music;
Someone should have told Bobby Gould that he had something in the side of his mouth as he looked like he had rabies or something; and
John Fashanu is a proper idiot. He just came across as someone that is desperate to grab attention - any attention at all.
The rest of the players, including Vinnie Jones and Dennis Wise, came across well. The frank comments about life there from those that struggled with it gave credibility to some of the, obvious, exaggerated stories.
Biggest thing, however, was the fact that much of what was on there I didn't know or had forgotten. Even though I was jealous of them at the time as they made our achievements pale into insignificance, when what we achieved at that time was magnificent, by the end of the show I felt I was routing for some of them. Andy Thorne, in particular, came across very humbly, and Wally Downes, having been there since 1978, came across as legend for the club - all be it he left with Beasent and missed the Cup Final.
I hope that BT Sport look to make more documentaries about football clubs and events that were not so well covered by the media at the time and I thought this was a great bit to viewing, even if a lot of it was made up to give those insecure more attention - Fashanu!
As John Barnes said on more than one occasion, if you think that players like Bryan Robson, Stuart Pearce, Tony Adams and many others were intimidated by thugs like Fashanu and Vinny Jones, then you are barking up the wrong tree.
Wimbledon did have some success at Plough Lane, but I remember an FA Cup game there in around 1986 when Tottenham, inspired by Hoddle and Waddle took them to the cleaners.
The secret behinds the success of Wimbledon was very simple, with some very decent business in the transfer market, as well as a bringing some of their own young players through, they had some very, very good players, a lot of whom either played for their country or even went to World Cups (Beasant, Phelan, Kenny Cunningham, Robbie Earle etc).
Not many park players achieve that.
He is a classic case of someone thinking because they speak a certain way and use certain words they are more intelligent than they are.
What he did to Gary Mabbutt and I think Ian Walker too was disgusting. Added to how he disowned his brother for being homoeopathy.
Nothing but contempt for the man
The music was awsome
Like a black Russel brand
My phone obviously didn't like homosexual
For that alone, Tango thinks he's a f**king tool..............:)
I think John Barnes has it spot on. Most teams back then could mix it up when they wanted to and had a player or two who were only too happy to give it back to them with interest. Fact is they were very well organised and could also play a bit when they wanted to, albeit it was more direct than many other teams around at the time.
Never bought into this biggest FA Cup shock thing.