I read today that Villa fans are leaving the Holte End empty for 8 minutes tomorrow v Liverpool as a protest against Randy Lerner and his 8 years of owning Aston Villa.
My question is as a fanbase who are unhappy with the owner & board, are we prepared to do anything similar or have we reached the point where we are too apathetic & depressed about the situation.
is this something the trust would get involved with, yes it would p!ss the board off, but isn't the trust the voice of the fans? I read somewhere that KM doesn't see the trust as a true reflection of the fans as it only represents one opinion, if something widespread was organised & trust members & non-members were both involved then surely this must be seen as the opinion of the fanbase.
This isn't a dig at the trust by the way, just a genuine question.
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If we are still being lied to and things aren't improving in a couple of years then maybe start assessing what to do, but for now be patient and let him work his magic.
This is just my personal opinion here. I fully understand your frustration, and you want to do something rather than be apathetic. And that is part of Charlton fan history, to do something, rather than sit in the pub moaning.
I'd like to ask you to give this some thought;
Most protests, in football, and more widely in society, are very good at making clear what they are against. They are usually far less clear about what they are for, or what they want to happen which did not happen.
It seems to me that a protest might have two goals:
1. To persuade RD to sell the club. The question is, are we - the protesters - going to find anyone better?
2. To persuade RD to do something differently. The question is, what? And is a protest the best way to persuade him?
We have to answer those questions, ourselves, before we can think of any kind of protest.
One thing I can assure you is that the Trust will not just sit in the pub moaning. But we need more members, in order for RD and KM to accept that they should talk to us.
Back to us, not worried about admin and sitting mid table in the championship not arguing about Danny Green, Waggy or Pritch at right midfield is a good place to be. We have distanced ourselves from the uncertainty which surrounded us a year ago and although some hate the way we have turned, it is safer than admin and certainly better than a Blackpool situation.
Thing is there is always going to be discontent somewhere in a fan base, that's football and that's life.
We've planned for an amazing academy development centre (can't remember what they call it), so he's looking to the future and we're within the financial regulations so in a healthy position off the field too.
If RD hadn't have sacked off Powell or lost Poyet would we really be this upset over the way the club was being run?
Far too Palace...
I'm pretty sure the issue is that he doesn't signpost where he wants to take the club. Couple that with the fear and anxiety that many feel and it's not surprising that many assume the worst.
My own view is to go to Watford and Rotherham at home to see how Luzon starts out. And to wait and see what the squad looks like when we kick off in August.
If people are really interested in what he might do then take a look at Liege over the last four years. Given they've had Riga and Luzon as coaches for 27 out of the 42 months he has owned them and it gives an insight. Liege aren't world beaters but they could probably turn us over so they're not too bad.
There has been a lot of turbulence and four coaches in a year is spectacular! But the difference between now and 2006-07 is that the owner has cash and we have a number of players who can clearly play in this division.
If things don't improve in 2015-16 then he's wasting his and our time! So let's see how we do now in the second half of the season and who we buy and sell.
In the meantime fans don't have to sit back and wait. For there is a supporters body whose role is to analyse and question what is happening. Join the Trust, for the bigger it gets, the harder it will be to ignore.
Perhaps then there might be some more meaningful communication?
So for this reason we really need people to renew, and more to join. Help us show Katrien that we really represent a big block of fans.
The question about the effect of Liege fans rioting is very interesting. I have to be honest here, as someone else will otherwise soon point this out: this season the Liege fans rioted, and soon afterwards Luzon did lose his job. However it may be a trap to conclude that rioting forces RD to make decisions. Liege and its fans are a bit complicated. The Trust has developed good links to the Socios who are the biggest formal grouping and do have official representation. And believe me, they are not a bunch of pussies.They have already told us exactly what they think about Guy Luzon, and it is not complimentary. We will be talking to them about tactics, and we hope they will help us understand how RD thinks, and why he does what he does. It would of course be much better if he would tell us himself, but you can understand that if he thinks we are going to trash his office if we don't like what we hear, he's unlikely to agree. We have to try and show we are better than that.
If old Roly Poly gets us 2-3 more decent players to get us through to next summer (where I would hope we'd see similar improvements to last year) then surely the overall trend is positive rather than negative.
Yes he's a bit of a twat, and yes the heavy reliance on the network may feel unusual and at times insufficient, but a few years of mid table building might be just what we needed to recover from those horrible years in L1.
Sometimes I feel as though people have very short memories. We've not been good for a fair few years.
After this Summer was the most positive I have felt in a long time.
Anyway, I hope that is the case - because it would indicate that a much needed lesson has been learned.
It's not too bad, we were destined for the crap heap before Roland took over and now we demand to be in the play-offs?
Well said Addicted.