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Could his Luzon appointment be reversed?

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  • kings hill addick
    kings hill addick Posts: 5,781
    RD had SL fans demanding changes and he ignored them.

    We were in an uproar when Chris Powell left but he appointed Riga and, it could be argued, that turned out ok.

    I can't see RD changing his mind. Maybe he will move a few players on, but I can't see him being dictated to about his choice of manager by the fans or the players.
  • sammy391
    sammy391 Posts: 3,791
    kings hill addick said:

    RD had SL fans demanding changes and he ignored them.

    We were in an uproar when Chris Powell left but he appointed Riga and, it could be argued, that turned out ok.

    I can't see RD changing his mind. Maybe he will move a few players on, but I can't see him being dictated to about his choice of manager by the fans or the players.

    Lets hope the Home office Can dictate then
  • mogodon
    mogodon Posts: 3,412
    Even if Luzon failed to get the visa, it's fairly clear where the next appointment will come from (ie overseas, cheap and no experience in this country). And even if we got Alex Ferguson, he would struggle to make anything from this sow's ear we are following at the moment
  • kafka
    kafka Posts: 2,372
    mogodon said:

    Even if Luzon failed to get the visa, it's fairly clear where the next appointment will come from (ie overseas, cheap and no experience in this country). And even if we got Alex Ferguson, he would struggle to make anything from this sow's ear we are following at the moment

    I thought we had got the next Alex Ferguson?


  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,074
    BigRedEvil said:

    Sure hope it's reversed especially given Damien Matthew's comment's yesterday

    He's met the players, he's had some chats and they are well aware of how he wants to play as well, so we tried that in the first-half.
    That sounds very much like work !
  • mogodon
    mogodon Posts: 3,412
    kafka said:

    mogodon said:

    Even if Luzon failed to get the visa, it's fairly clear where the next appointment will come from (ie overseas, cheap and no experience in this country). And even if we got Alex Ferguson, he would struggle to make anything from this sow's ear we are following at the moment

    I thought we had got the next Alex Ferguson?
    No, we've got the next Michael Knighton
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,206
    sammy391 said:

    ME14addick said:

    The date of the application for a work permit could be interesting. Could it have been made before Peeters was sacked?

    FOI request anyone?
    Unless the Work-permit issue is a smokescreen for anything else (which there are a few rumours flying) , I would expect it to have been completed if it was made before peeters was sacked!
    The fact that the FoI would undoubtedly be for data which can be considered to be personal, that is, Luzon's data, there would be significantly more hurdles to overcome before disclosure. So, I doubt the info would be disclosed.
  • sammy391
    sammy391 Posts: 3,791
    cafcfan said:

    sammy391 said:

    ME14addick said:

    The date of the application for a work permit could be interesting. Could it have been made before Peeters was sacked?

    FOI request anyone?
    Unless the Work-permit issue is a smokescreen for anything else (which there are a few rumours flying) , I would expect it to have been completed if it was made before peeters was sacked!
    The fact that the FoI would undoubtedly be for data which can be considered to be personal, that is, Luzon's data, there would be significantly more hurdles to overcome before disclosure. So, I doubt the info would be disclosed.
    would the date of the application be personal data though?
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,773
    edited January 2015
    I would be surprised if the application was made before Peeters got the push. The Home Office are likely to take a dim view of an application by a non British/EU national for a job currently occupied by one! What the club probably could have done was give Luzon an advisory role with us based in this country - maybe around overseas recruitment- and obtained a permit for that. Then after 6 months or so, if they wanted to make him manager, he would already be working in this country with a permit that would just need amending. But they haven't and there are people who can throw some spanners in the works. The LMA for one and fans for two!
  • Rossman92
    Rossman92 Posts: 3,658
    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out

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  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,897
    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out

    Hmmm. Wilmotts in should Charlton ever reach the Premiership...... and knew him at St Truiden where the relationship soured......Being friendly at a football match is different to accepting a job for someone you know to be difficult, cussed and will leave you very little autonomy (whilst heaping the blame on you if things go pear shaped).
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,154
    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out

    Doesn't matter who we have if RD won't put some cash in and improve the squad.

    This is the link to that article:
    http://www.cafcchoicetv.co.uk/roland-the-man-he-really-wants-luzons-work-permit-stadium-changes/
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,645
    I'd be surprised if Luzon wasn't at Vicarage Road yesterday although I think it's maybe a condition of a work permit application that you have to be out of the UK when applied for.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,154
    Luzon was there. Picture of him on Twitter with KM and RM.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,773
    he is allowed to be here- just not work
  • Badger
    Badger Posts: 4,842
    mogodon said:

    kafka said:

    mogodon said:

    Even if Luzon failed to get the visa, it's fairly clear where the next appointment will come from (ie overseas, cheap and no experience in this country). And even if we got Alex Ferguson, he would struggle to make anything from this sow's ear we are following at the moment

    I thought we had got the next Alex Ferguson?
    No, we've got the next Michael Knighton
    The Fruitcake That was Knighton.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out

    More chance of this bloke.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Wilmot
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    The Red Robin said:

    Luzon was there. Picture of him on Twitter with KM and RM.

    Did he hide in laundry basket and get wheeled in to do the half time team talk?
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,103
    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out


    If he couldn't get Wilmots to manage Liege, a club where he was a hero and in the country he's from, then he's hardly going to get him to leave the national team job to come to a struggling championship side.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    Callumcafc said:

    Not while Dudu and Guy have Roland's balls in a vice.

    Going off piste i know Callum but are you a fan of the Marquis de sade by any chance ?


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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,645
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out


    If he couldn't get Wilmots to manage Liege, a club where he was a hero and in the country he's from, then he's hardly going to get him to leave the national team job to come to a struggling championship side.
    The article is suggesting when Wilmots leaves the national team job not now.
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,907
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out


    If he couldn't get Wilmots to manage Liege, a club where he was a hero and in the country he's from, then he's hardly going to get him to leave the national team job to come to a struggling championship side.
    absolutely, in what universe would the Belgian national manager join us?

    In the history of Charlton Athletic, about as likely as the European Footballer of the Year joining us.
  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,897
    edited January 2015
    Macronate said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out


    If he couldn't get Wilmots to manage Liege, a club where he was a hero and in the country he's from, then he's hardly going to get him to leave the national team job to come to a struggling championship side.
    absolutely, in what universe would the Belgian national manager join us?

    In the history of Charlton Athletic, about as likely as the European Footballer of the Year joining us.
    That period of Charlton history did not end well.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,154
    LargeAddick said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out


    If he couldn't get Wilmots to manage Liege, a club where he was a hero and in the country he's from, then he's hardly going to get him to leave the national team job to come to a struggling championship side.
    The article is suggesting when Wilmots leaves the national team job not now.
    Contract until 2018
  • Oakster
    Oakster Posts: 6,812
    The Red Robin said:

    LargeAddick said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    Rossman92 said:

    Apparantly Roland wants Marc Wilmots as our manager, supposedly his prime target. Wouldn't mind him to be honest if Guy doesn't work out


    If he couldn't get Wilmots to manage Liege, a club where he was a hero and in the country he's from, then he's hardly going to get him to leave the national team job to come to a struggling championship side.
    The article is suggesting when Wilmots leaves the national team job not now.
    Contract until 2018
    Luzon is contracted to 2016, be surprised if he makes its to 1945 on his first day - what time's the last Eurostar back to Brussels?

  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Do the authorities have to follow up Luzon's illegal work of last week? Maybe it is too trivial a matter to bother with.

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