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Excuse me Roland, can we have quiet word?

Cant see Charlton fans ever doing this, although my two friends, who are big Standard fans couldn't wait to share this with me when I was telling them about the recent train incident video.

My friend said to me "you English fans, so polite, this is how its done in Belgium"

I wont translate it all, but the fans in the video, wade in very strong language wise, accusing him of being the lowest of the low, this is his office by the way....a proper storming.

If this has been shared before, then Colin or Titanic me

http://www.7sur7.be/7s7/fr/1745/Standard/article/detail/1648999/2013/06/10/Ca-degenere-au-Standard-des-fans-s-introduisent-dans-le-bureau-de-Duchatelet.dhtml
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  • edited January 2015
    Thanks for sharing this, I certainly have never seen it before, and found it very interesting.

    Two thing strike me. One , look how calm he is. Two, the fans fall into the trap of not allowing him to answer. They just vent their own feelings.

    It is almost as if he actually enjoys this sort of confrontation. I would be interested to know if anyone in Belgium has understood why RD has got into football. What does he get out of it? It's not money. At the moment our info is that all the clubs are running at an operating loss of various size. At the same time, he seems to have made enemies not just of Standard fans, but of other club owners and the Belgium football authorities. Why? What drives him?
  • Roland firms it out tbf
  • Aside from the fact that he's over in Belgium and I cant be arsed, if we get a striker in the remaining days of the window I actually dont think he's done much wrong transfer-wise this Jan. We needed fresh faces and he's done that (bar the one position we really need).

    If we dont buy another striker then I'll probably still not go over to Belgium and storm the office of a man who doesn't give a shit what I think. Not because of the pointlessness of the act but because I'm really, really lazy.


  • It is almost as if he actually enjoys this sort of confrontation. I would be interested to know if anyone in Belgium has understood why RD has got into football. What does he get out of it? It's not money. At the moment our info is that all the clubs are running at an operating loss of various size. At the same time, he seems to have made enemies not just of Standard fans, but of other club owners and the Belgium football authorities. Why? What drives him?

    That's the mystery of RD in a nutshell. If only we knew the answer to this burning question.
  • One of the problems that we have with Roland is that he will certainly have a forward plan for our Club, but appears not to give a stuff about communicating at least an outline of it to us, the people that he needs to fill the Stadium. When you have such a hard nosed character owning your Business, you are better off having a pleasant mannered, clever communicator by his side, picture Alan Sugar, to make us feel that our Club is still the Charlton people in the game speak well about.
  • The fact that he is so calm in front of quite rabid Liege fans tells me that there is pretty much diddly squat we can do to persuade him to our way of thinking (Charlton/English traditions). The bloke just doesn't care.
  • cafctom said:

    The fact that he is so calm in front of quite rabid Liege fans tells me that there is pretty much diddly squat we can do to persuade him to our way of thinking (Charlton/English traditions). The bloke just doesn't care.

    Maybe he can just handle himself.
  • Thanks for sharing this, I certainly have never seen it before, and found it very interesting.

    Two thing strike me. One , look how calm he is. Two, the fans fall into the trap of not allowing him to answer. They just vent their own feelings.

    It is almost as if he actually enjoys this sort of confrontation. I would be interested to know if anyone in Belgium has understood why RD has got into football. What does he get out of it? It's not money. At the moment our info is that all the clubs are running at an operating loss of various size. At the same time, he seems to have made enemies not just of Standard fans, but of other club owners and the Belgium football authorities. Why? What drives him?

    Actually no one knows why he invests in football. For sure it's not money since he is not the type of man who goes rampage on bling bling.

    He had a political carreer (which didn't have a lot of success) and we (i mean some supporters at Liège) suspect that he does that to prove that some football club can live without relying on outside income. For the Standard he refused money from the region (there is some type of regional sport ministery which gives money to the sport clubs) saying that the public taxes shouldn't go private clubs.

    It's not a bad idea in itself but the problem is that he doesn't work with the right people. He always seems to pick the worst player agents and make the wrong choices.

    I wonder if we'll ever understand his purpose. Maybe in the end it's just an old man hobby ...
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  • edited January 2015
    So they steam in swear and shout at him - that's how it is "done" in Belgium is it? I'll keep our polite "English" fans thanks. Angry schoolboys showing off in front of each other by insulting the teacher.
  • Why does it prove he doesn't care, I fail to understand why people can not see that the man has a vision, he has had it through out his business life, football has been a business since the day money meant more than the teams, the only ones who care about the soul of the club is the fans that's why we react on emotion,

    Jordan
    Whelan
    Murray
    Walker
    Fernandez

    All fans of their clubs they owned and what's the common denominator there

    All look like they will lose money and their clubs suffered greatly

    Two chalets is running it as a business emotional Ties have no place, losing millions will, if he gets it totally wrong the bloke will lose loads

    Get it right he makes money,

    I don't know how it will pan out these things take time, a man who makes no mistakes makes nothing in his life

    You and I may not like the changes or the way the club is moving, but without him we would have gone under, because the two clowns wouldn't sell to any one else

    So for now it's his ball we have to let him play with it and watch what happens, imo the stuff off field that seems to be happening, the training ground offices and pitch improvements indicate that he is willing to improve the infrastructure and that's got to be good because if he does sell up it will increase the value and attraction, if he don't, we will have better training and potential coaching, better youngsters coming through and a better ground to play in

    Football is all about results, the thing is people want it instantly, but our club was run dry by the two previous sets of mgmt and it's staff at a time when we dropped like a stone

    Rome wernt built in a day

    All of those chairmen you mention are much more in touch with what the supporters truly want out of a side. At our level, we want results but we equally want it to feel like a home. We know we're never going to be a top Premier League side so I'd say that on the whole many are just happy for it to be Charlton as we've always known it.

    As for the "we would have gone under" comment. We were in bigger danger in League One before they came along and got us out of it in their first full season. Near enough every Football League club reckons they "would have gone under" at some point in the last 5-10 years - rarely that straight forward though, we all know that.
  • Looked like there wasn't much he could do or say, with 4 or 5 blokes all shouting at him at once, so he just sat there. When he did start to speak he got shouted down, so there was no exchange of views, he wasn't forced to answer any questions, because the shouting was constant.
  • Granpa said:

    One of the problems that we have with Roland is that he will certainly have a forward plan for our Club, but appears not to give a stuff about communicating at least an outline of it to us, the people that he needs to fill the Stadium. When you have such a hard nosed character owning your Business, you are better off having a pleasant mannered, clever communicator by his side, picture Alan Sugar, to make us feel that our Club is still the Charlton people in the game speak well about.

    The main reason you wouldn't communicate such a plan is if you think the audience won't like it. Otherwise their lack of communication is just incompetence, since it is damaging the business.
    To be fair he may have left each club to communicate with their own fans rather than do it himself. KM believes she has communicated the strategy to fans already.

    That video gives me the impression RD might be open to a more professional direct approach from our fans.
  • Why does it prove he doesn't care, I fail to understand why people can not see that the man has a vision, he has had it through out his business life, football has been a business since the day money meant more than the teams, the only ones who care about the soul of the club is the fans that's why we react on emotion,

    Jordan
    Whelan
    Murray
    Walker
    Fernandez

    All fans of their clubs they owned and what's the common denominator there

    All look like they will lose money and their clubs suffered greatly


    Two chalets is running it as a business emotional Ties have no place, losing millions will, if he gets it totally wrong the bloke will lose loads

    Get it right he makes money,

    I don't know how it will pan out these things take time, a man who makes no mistakes makes nothing in his life

    You and I may not like the changes or the way the club is moving, but without him we would have gone under, because the two clowns wouldn't sell to any one else

    So for now it's his ball we have to let him play with it and watch what happens

    Rome wernt built in a day

    (1) I'm sure there are plenty of examples of non-fans running and wrecking clubs, e.g. Pompey, but most directors have always been fans, so it's easy to list those.

    (2) True they were running out of time, but it's a bit far-fetched to say they wouldn't sell to anyone else. Jiminez & co would just have had to sell cheaper to someone soon to avoid a total loss of all the money they'd put into the club. They were just fortunate a suitable mug turned up before they slashed the price again.
  • rikofold said:

    Granpa said:

    One of the problems that we have with Roland is that he will certainly have a forward plan for our Club, but appears not to give a stuff about communicating at least an outline of it to us, the people that he needs to fill the Stadium. When you have such a hard nosed character owning your Business, you are better off having a pleasant mannered, clever communicator by his side, picture Alan Sugar, to make us feel that our Club is still the Charlton people in the game speak well about.

    The main reason you wouldn't communicate such a plan is if you think the audience won't like it. Otherwise their lack of communication is just incompetence, since it is damaging the business.
    To be fair he may have left each club to communicate with their own fans rather than do it himself. KM believes she has communicated the strategy to fans already.

    That video gives me the impression RD might be open to a more professional direct approach from our fans.
    That would imply she has no understandng whatsoever of effective communication to what are in the case of a football club very engaged stakeholders.
  • It's become fashionable on CL to solemnly proclaim that owners who are fans make terrible mistakes, and that RD is a "hard-headed" businessmen, who is bound therefore to make better decisions.

    I respectfully draw the attention of such Lifers to the just-announced annual figures for Swansea City FC, a club who were in the fourth division long after the last time we beat the Spanners. They have just announced an operating profit for the second year running.

    Not only are the directors fans, but 20% of the club is directly in the ownership of fans.

    How did they afford to buy their 20%?
  • I don't have a clue what they're saying, they could be passionately inviting him to their birthday party for all I know.
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  • mukumi said:

    Thanks for sharing this, I certainly have never seen it before, and found it very interesting.

    Two thing strike me. One , look how calm he is. Two, the fans fall into the trap of not allowing him to answer. They just vent their own feelings.

    It is almost as if he actually enjoys this sort of confrontation. I would be interested to know if anyone in Belgium has understood why RD has got into football. What does he get out of it? It's not money. At the moment our info is that all the clubs are running at an operating loss of various size. At the same time, he seems to have made enemies not just of Standard fans, but of other club owners and the Belgium football authorities. Why? What drives him?

    Actually no one knows why he invests in football. For sure it's not money since he is not the type of man who goes rampage on bling bling.

    He had a political carreer (which didn't have a lot of success) and we (i mean some supporters at Liège) suspect that he does that to prove that some football club can live without relying on outside income. For the Standard he refused money from the region (there is some type of regional sport ministery which gives money to the sport clubs) saying that the public taxes shouldn't go private clubs.

    It's not a bad idea in itself but the problem is that he doesn't work with the right people. He always seems to pick the worst player agents and make the wrong choices.

    I wonder if we'll ever understand his purpose. Maybe in the end it's just an old man hobby ...
    Do you think that his football "network" is an extension of or substitute for his political career ?

    It seems to me as though the man has socialist principles which he wanted to disseminate via politics, that didn't go brilliantly well so now he's using football to prove the point.
  • Were they announcing the signing of Danny Green?
  • edited January 2015
    LenGlover said:

    It's become fashionable on CL to solemnly proclaim that owners who are fans make terrible mistakes, and that RD is a "hard-headed" businessmen, who is bound therefore to make better decisions.

    I respectfully draw the attention of such Lifers to the just-announced annual figures for Swansea City FC, a club who were in the fourth division long after the last time we beat the Spanners. They have just announced an operating profit for the second year running.

    Not only are the directors fans, but 20% of the club is directly in the ownership of fans.

    How did they afford to buy their 20%?
    I don't think a 4th tier club costs too much, in fact their first purchase was only 12k.

    For Prague to try and compare their situation, previously or now, is as laughable as pretending the trust has 5k followers.
  • If the Holmesdale fanatics spoke French....
  • Granpa said:

    One of the problems that we have with Roland is that he will certainly have a forward plan for our Club, but appears not to give a stuff about communicating at least an outline of it to us, the people that he needs to fill the Stadium. When you have such a hard nosed character owning your Business, you are better off having a pleasant mannered, clever communicator by his side, picture Alan Sugar, to make us feel that our Club is still the Charlton people in the game speak well about.

    Alan Sugar, pleasant mannered? Well, everything's relative I suppose...

  • edited January 2015

    LenGlover said:

    It's become fashionable on CL to solemnly proclaim that owners who are fans make terrible mistakes, and that RD is a "hard-headed" businessmen, who is bound therefore to make better decisions.

    I respectfully draw the attention of such Lifers to the just-announced annual figures for Swansea City FC, a club who were in the fourth division long after the last time we beat the Spanners. They have just announced an operating profit for the second year running.

    Not only are the directors fans, but 20% of the club is directly in the ownership of fans.

    How did they afford to buy their 20%?
    I don't think a 4th tier club costs too much, in fact their first purchase was only 12k.

    For Prague to try and compare their situation, previously or now, is as laughable as pretending the trust has 5k followers.

    What is actually the matter with you?

    I was pointing out that one of the very few FAPL clubs who make an operating profit is one that is both led by fans, and partly owned by them. That is a fact which belies the myth that there are owners who are fans, who make mistakes, and others who are "hard headed businessmen" who don't make such mistakes. Is it that clear even for you?

    As to your second "point" i believe the current membership of the trust as recorded on the website, is 1,052. Furthermore I've several times written here that I think a Trust in club in our position will do well to get beyond 1,500 paying members. Swansea have 800, as I have also several times pointed out.

    If you can find a record of me "pretending the Trust has 5k followers" kindly post it. Or post your apology.

    @LenGlover. When they bought their share the club was bottom of the 4th and facing extinction. They raised a total of £50k. they now have to work on maintaining that 20% when the club needs to raise more capital. That is why they accepted a dividend last season when the club made a big profit, so that the dividend could be used to participate in future capital increases.
  • Walker was the first to buy the title since then what became of Blackburn at a considerable cost to his own wealth and health

    Dave whelan may well have done that but look where they are heading faster than us

    Fernendez if QPR go down has pissed money in a hole and will be in trouble for breaching ffp in the championship when they went up

    Murray over saw a huge up lift and then was steward when we sank and sank and couldn't keep it up so sold

    And there was a second bidder I was talking to the person involved with them to a degree, and he made it perfectly clear to me that they wouldn't be sold to or get past a certain stage and I am led to believe they were considerably richer than two chalets


    We owed good people money we had to buy food at makro to put on a function

    Sounds to me that we were drinking in the last chance saloon and as such we got the first person who was prepared to play ball with the two stooges in the way they wanted

    Therefore the only option available


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