Anyone feel a bit sorry for Luzon?
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So he now has 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses. 8 points from 6 games.
GF 10, GA 7, GD +3
Let's see how the next 4 games go. Then we can judge him after 10 like we wanted. Good so far though.3 -
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oohaahmortimer said:
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£20 bet (donation to the upbeats) his name will be chanted from there by end of April IF we don't suddenly nose dive and end up in bottom 3/ RD doesn't sack him off?ElfsborgAddick said:
Don't reckon the Covered End will stretch to chanting his name.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Yep. Not a fan of the set up but do feel sorry for the bloke although a few more wins and his name will be chanted from the Covered End.
But he needs to be given a chance.
Oh and I promise I won't start the chant ;-)0 -
I'll give him full credit for the attacking line up over the last two games and how we've played but my issues with him and the reason he was appointed stays the same regardless of his record.0
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O yes you will Rodders.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
£20 bet (donation to the upbeats) his name will be chanted from there before the end of the season by end of April IF we don't suddenly nose dive and end up in bottom 3/ RD doesn't sack him off?ElfsborgAddick said:
Don't reckon the Covered End will stretch to chanting his name.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Yep. Not a fan of the set up but do feel sorry for the bloke although a few more wins and his name will be chanted from the Covered End.
But he needs to be given a chance.
Oh and I promise I won't start the chant ;-)
If Luzon keeps the attacking intent going at home and the counter attacking away from home,then the crowd get behind the team.
Luzon has a fit Henderson, 5 good attacking players now in Igor,Watt, Johann,
Eagles and since he's come back from Africa, Bulot,
Plus Johnson who in two matches and with a cracked rib has shown he's up for the fight.
Maybe Guy can have the luck, which bob didn't have at the end, as the squad gets stronger.
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Most football managerial staff get slung out with the full value of their contract in their trousers. That is a bit different to an average punter being binned. The reason RD retains such staff after releasing them from their duties is pragmatic, not generous. The reason a number of continental mangers are repeatedly reappointed by their clubs is because they never leave the payroll. Genuinely surprised that a Trust expert in footballing matters with an HR background is displaying such casual ignorance here,PragueAddick said:Guy Luzon is actually an extraordinarily privileged Head Coach. Most such who lose their jobs are just slung out.
When Luzon was "slung out " of Standard, he was actually retained by RD, apparently to "do consulting work" at Ujpest. According to our correspondent there, there is no sign that he actually did anything of note. Indeed, there was no physical sign of him. However Hungarian clubs benefit from special tax status, so presumably it was mutually advantageous to have him on that payroll. . Then, lo and behold, a new assignment came up in the conglomerate, and Guy moved seamlessly into his next role. It seems that the little local difficulty caused by a rogue Israeli website did not upset his boss too much.
So no, I don't feel sorry for Luzon at all. I don't think that in modern European football a coach who has been "fired" has ever been treated more generously by his boss.3 -
Interesting ...was not aware of that.Mortimerician said:
Most football managerial staff get slung out with the full value of their contract in their trousers. That is a bit different to an average punter being binned. The reason RD retains such staff after releasing them from their duties is pragmatic, not generous. The reason a number of continental mangers are repeatedly reappointed by their clubs is because they never leave the payroll. Genuinely surprised that a Trust expert in footballing matters with an HR background is displaying such casual ignorance here,PragueAddick said:Guy Luzon is actually an extraordinarily privileged Head Coach. Most such who lose their jobs are just slung out.
When Luzon was "slung out " of Standard, he was actually retained by RD, apparently to "do consulting work" at Ujpest. According to our correspondent there, there is no sign that he actually did anything of note. Indeed, there was no physical sign of him. However Hungarian clubs benefit from special tax status, so presumably it was mutually advantageous to have him on that payroll. . Then, lo and behold, a new assignment came up in the conglomerate, and Guy moved seamlessly into his next role. It seems that the little local difficulty caused by a rogue Israeli website did not upset his boss too much.
So no, I don't feel sorry for Luzon at all. I don't think that in modern European football a coach who has been "fired" has ever been treated more generously by his boss.1 -
"it's fantastic that over 500 came to support us, i'm happy that their journey home will be a happy one. said Guy.
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". said Lao Tzu.
Has Guy now made two steps towards the CAFC fans ?
And should we make any steps towards him yet ?
Our first win/date on Valentine's day.
our second win/date in romantic Wigan.
Should we fans play hard to get or should we start to show love ?
Too soon ?
Our old flame is showing up Saturday !
Let's just enjoy for now, no need to rush into anything just yet.
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The difference between Luzon and Peeters is that Luzon coached at the top of the Jupiler league whereas Peeters was near the bottom. The other difference is that he has coached four of our players before and he is certainly bringing the best out of Watt and Bulot.
It wasn't his fault that Meire screwed up the comms around his appointment. As with everything in football, results will win us over. It's unfortunate that the winless streak went on so long that it killed our season. But we can still build for 2015-16.
Moving coaches and players around the network makes sense when it works. But that doesn't excuse the communications vacuum which is going to kill ticket sales even though we are winning games and have the best team for years.
Looking forward to Millwall away!6 -
He probably doesn't give a flying fuck.soapboxsam said:"it's fantastic that over 500 came to support us, i'm happy that their journey home will be a happy one. said Guy.
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". said Lao Tzu.
Has Guy now made two steps towards the CAFC fans ?
And should we make any steps towards him yet ?
Our first win/date on Valentine's day.
our second win/date in romantic Wigan.
Should we fans play hard to get or should we start to show love ?
Too soon ?
Our old flame is showing up Saturday !
Let's just enjoy for now, no need to rush into anything just yet.0 -
seriously_red said:
The difference between Luzon and Peeters is that one is a millwall twunt and the other isn't
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Why let the truth get in the way of some good old RD bashing.Mortimerician said:
Most football managerial staff get slung out with the full value of their contract in their trousers. That is a bit different to an average punter being binned. The reason RD retains such staff after releasing them from their duties is pragmatic, not generous. The reason a number of continental mangers are repeatedly reappointed by their clubs is because they never leave the payroll. Genuinely surprised that a Trust expert in footballing matters with an HR background is displaying such casual ignorance here,PragueAddick said:Guy Luzon is actually an extraordinarily privileged Head Coach. Most such who lose their jobs are just slung out.
When Luzon was "slung out " of Standard, he was actually retained by RD, apparently to "do consulting work" at Ujpest. According to our correspondent there, there is no sign that he actually did anything of note. Indeed, there was no physical sign of him. However Hungarian clubs benefit from special tax status, so presumably it was mutually advantageous to have him on that payroll. . Then, lo and behold, a new assignment came up in the conglomerate, and Guy moved seamlessly into his next role. It seems that the little local difficulty caused by a rogue Israeli website did not upset his boss too much.
So no, I don't feel sorry for Luzon at all. I don't think that in modern European football a coach who has been "fired" has ever been treated more generously by his boss.
If RD had to pay Luzon off, it seem's wise to keep him around and get some value for that money. That's probably the main cause of my concern, we now have a manager who we've hired not due to ability but for pure financial value. Of course that doesn't automatically mean there's no ability. We'll have to wait and see.
Either way it's not Luzon's fault so I do feel a bit sorry for him, although I'm fairly sure if he is a success, the crowd at The Valley will get behind him.2 -
2.39am. Weirdo.masicat said:
He probably doesn't give a flying fuck.soapboxsam said:"it's fantastic that over 500 came to support us, i'm happy that their journey home will be a happy one. said Guy.
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". said Lao Tzu.
Has Guy now made two steps towards the CAFC fans ?
And should we make any steps towards him yet ?
Our first win/date on Valentine's day.
our second win/date in romantic Wigan.
Should we fans play hard to get or should we start to show love ?
Too soon ?
Our old flame is showing up Saturday !
Let's just enjoy for now, no need to rush into anything just yet.0 -
So who Said Romance was dead. ?masicat said:
He probably doesn't give a flying fuck.soapboxsam said:"it's fantastic that over 500 came to support us, i'm happy that their journey home will be a happy one. said Guy.
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". said Lao Tzu.
Has Guy now made two steps towards the CAFC fans ?
And should we make any steps towards him yet ?
Our first win/date on Valentine's day.
our second win/date in romantic Wigan.
Should we fans play hard to get or should we start to show love ?
Too soon ?
Our old flame is showing up Saturday !
Let's just enjoy for now, no need to rush into anything just yet.
Masicat the wise old sage has.
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How on earth is it his fault?hudson-son-son said:I'll give him full credit for the attacking line up over the last two games and how we've played but my issues with him and the reason he was appointed stays the same regardless of his record.
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He probably doesn't give a flying fuck.
2.39am. Weirdo.
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