50 years of the Boroughs we currently live in

Henry Irving

Yes, it is 50 years today since the map of London was redrawn.

Borough's were merged and others became parts of Greater London, Bexley and Bromley for example.

Greenwich and Woolwich were merged and the new Borough was nearly called Charlton.

And we might have stuck with this badge







Interesting how much of what is now considered London was in the home counties

SheffieldRed

Anyone know why there are two pockets of London separated from the rest of London by bits of Essex and the Thames?

JollyRobin

SheffieldRed said:

Anyone know why there are two pockets of London separated from the rest of London by bits of Essex and the Thames?

It's North Woolwich. As of 1965 it's now part of the Borough of Newham but from 1900-1965 it was part of the Metropolitan Borough of Woolwich. It was granted to Hamo, a crony of William the Conqueror, who was granted land on both sides of the Thames at this spot, probably to enable him to enjoy the taxes from cross-river traffic and thus stayed part of London until the boroughs expanded Eastward.

fenny

Well Henry me old son, it was never going to be called "Charlton" I worked for the metropolitan borough of Woolwich, and when the big day came in April 1964 Greenwich was prety well skint, and "Woolwich" was one of the biggest and richest boroughs in London, but it was deemed that because of the name "Greenwich" with all the time and history that came with it thats what it should be called, just thought I'd let you know, Oh and when I was a Dustman we used to have to go over the ferry to empty all the bins in north woolwich up to Tate and Lyles cos woolwich owned that too, right up to the Harland and Woolfe swing bridge, cor memories...luv em

Davo55

I remember it well. My uncle played football for Woolwich Borough and they changed their name to Greenwich Borough. It wasn't regarded as a step up, reputation wise, at the time. Greenwich had the park, the tunnel, the cutty sark etc but was otherwise a bit of a dump. Woolwich was nicer then than now.

fenny

They also had the Greenwich Obsevatory, and Greenwich mean time which was the biggest draw to the name, yeah Davo i was a member at sutton park and remember Woolwich Borough FC bloody good days.

Lincsaddick

JollyRobin said:

SheffieldRed said:

Anyone know why there are two pockets of London separated from the rest of London by bits of Essex and the Thames?

It's North Woolwich. As of 1965 it's now part of the Borough of Newham but from 1900-1965 it was part of the Metropolitan Borough of Woolwich. It was granted to Hamo, a crony of William the Conqueror, who was granted land on both sides of the Thames at this spot, probably to enable him to enjoy the taxes from cross-river traffic and thus stayed part of London until the boroughs expanded Eastward.

This is interesting .. I always just assumed that East Ham and West Ham were just taken from the old anglo -saxon 'Ham' meaning farm or homestead and in later old English, village

fenny

Sorry sutcliffe park whoops

Uboat

So that's why my dad thinks he's from Kent.

iainment

Henry Irving said:

Yes, it is 50 years today since the map of London was redrawn.

Borough's were merged and others became parts of Greater London, Bexley and Bromley for example.

Greenwich and Woolwich were merged and the new Borough was nearly called Charlton.

And we might have stuck with this badge







Interesting how much of what is now considered London was in the home counties

That's the first motto I've seen for Charlton. Does anyone know what it means, how long it was used and why it fell into disuse.

Henry Irving

It means "We use time" and was the motto of the old boro of Greenwich.

The badge and Motto were both the borough's rather that the clubs.

The adopted it very briefly in the 1960s but then the boroughs changed so they looked for a new badge and nickname.

fenny

Only ever known The Robins, The Valiants, and the addicks, but then Ive only followed em since 1954 ..

Henry Irving

http://www.castrust.org/2013/06/if-you-know-your-istory-cafcbadge-origins/

fenny

Well the first badge I remember was the CAFC going at an angle they did have a sword sticking up was that before or afterthe cafc thingy

Henry Irving

http://www.castrust.org/2013/06/if-you-know-your-istory-cafcbadge-origins/

http://www.castrust.org/2013/09/know-istory-charlton-athletics-badge-part-3-making-comparisons/

A-R-T-H-U-R

Is this still the case after lunch?

Henry Irving

A-R-T-H-U-R said:

Is this still the case after lunch?

was posted after midday on purpose

DaveMehmet

iainment said:

Henry Irving said:

Yes, it is 50 years today since the map of London was redrawn.

Borough's were merged and others became parts of Greater London, Bexley and Bromley for example.

Greenwich and Woolwich were merged and the new Borough was nearly called Charlton.

And we might have stuck with this badge







Interesting how much of what is now considered London was in the home counties

That's the first motto I've seen for Charlton. Does anyone know what it means, how long it was used and why it fell into disuse.

If you read it closely, it says: infinitum loseus millwalls