Yeah - sack the manager who took you to the play offs.
sack the manager who cost you however much premier league is worth nowadays
if they had stuck with a point and we beat Bournemouth they could have automatic so yeah sack him for trying to be cocky
Cocky?? Going all out for the win is now considered cocky??
You do talk some bollocks
why go for a win when a point is good enough if I was a boro fan I would be majorly pissed off
oh and I don't care if you think I talk bollocks, Mr keyboard warrior
A draw wasn't good enough - they'd have needed Bournemouth to lose one of their last two games so definitely not "good enough"
Don't think I'm a "keyboard warrior" - I'd gladly say that to your face
A draw gives them a chance going into the final match, a defeat doesn't considering they had 10 men as well it makes the decision even worse IMO
if you want to put 9 men in the box fair enough, but there was still a minute to go, so you know if they win the ball they will score so put 9 men in the box but leave you keeper back just in case
Imagine if Charlton signed a striker who in a play off semi final penalty shoot out, decided to be cocky and done a little dink shot, missed and cost his team promotion to the Prem.
Imagine if Charlton signed a striker who in a play off semi final penalty shoot out, decided to be cocky and done a little dink shot, missed and cost his team promotion to the Prem.
dunno why Yann is being brought into this but Leicester fans hate him for that and I don't believe he ever played for them again so thanks for proving my point
Yeah - sack the manager who took you to the play offs.
sack the manager who cost you however much premier league is worth nowadays
if they had stuck with a point and we beat Bournemouth they could have automatic so yeah sack him for trying to be cocky
Cocky?? Going all out for the win is now considered cocky??
You do talk some bollocks
why go for a win when a point is good enough if I was a boro fan I would be majorly pissed off
oh and I don't care if you think I talk bollocks, Mr keyboard warrior
A draw wasn't good enough - they'd have needed Bournemouth to lose one of their last two games so definitely not "good enough"
Don't think I'm a "keyboard warrior" - I'd gladly say that to your face
A draw gives them a chance going into the final match, a defeat doesn't considering they had 10 men as well it makes the decision even worse IMO
if you want to put 9 men in the box fair enough, but there was still a minute to go, so you know if they win the ball they will score so put 9 men in the box but leave you keeper back just in case
A draw gives them a very very slim chance. If they were to have serious ambitions for automatic promotion then they had to win. If I were a Boro fan id be disappointed if my manager hasn't thrown the dice and gone all out for the vital win
Yeah - sack the manager who took you to the play offs.
sack the manager who cost you however much premier league is worth nowadays
if they had stuck with a point and we beat Bournemouth they could have automatic so yeah sack him for trying to be cocky
Cocky?? Going all out for the win is now considered cocky??
You do talk some bollocks
why go for a win when a point is good enough if I was a boro fan I would be majorly pissed off
oh and I don't care if you think I talk bollocks, Mr keyboard warrior
A draw wasn't good enough - they'd have needed Bournemouth to lose one of their last two games so definitely not "good enough"
Don't think I'm a "keyboard warrior" - I'd gladly say that to your face
A draw gives them a chance going into the final match, a defeat doesn't considering they had 10 men as well it makes the decision even worse IMO
if you want to put 9 men in the box fair enough, but there was still a minute to go, so you know if they win the ball they will score so put 9 men in the box but leave you keeper back just in case
A draw gives them a very very slim chance. If they were to have serious ambitions for automatic promotion then they ha to win. If I were a Boto fan if be disappointed if my manager hasn't thrown the dice and gone all out for the vital win
Still waiting for you to "prove" your point btw
I dont need to prove my point IMO he made a big mistake having ten men and putting his keeper in the box
I no I am not the only one who thinks that and just because you disagree I aint gonna lose any sleep over it
Yeah - sack the manager who took you to the play offs.
sack the manager who cost you however much premier league is worth nowadays
if they had stuck with a point and we beat Bournemouth they could have automatic so yeah sack him for trying to be cocky
Cocky?? Going all out for the win is now considered cocky??
You do talk some bollocks
why go for a win when a point is good enough if I was a boro fan I would be majorly pissed off
oh and I don't care if you think I talk bollocks, Mr keyboard warrior
A draw wasn't good enough - they'd have needed Bournemouth to lose one of their last two games so definitely not "good enough"
Don't think I'm a "keyboard warrior" - I'd gladly say that to your face
A draw gives them a chance going into the final match, a defeat doesn't considering they had 10 men as well it makes the decision even worse IMO
if you want to put 9 men in the box fair enough, but there was still a minute to go, so you know if they win the ball they will score so put 9 men in the box but leave you keeper back just in case
A draw gives them a very very slim chance. If they were to have serious ambitions for automatic promotion then they ha to win. If I were a Boto fan if be disappointed if my manager hasn't thrown the dice and gone all out for the vital win
Still waiting for you to "prove" your point btw
I dont need to prove my point IMO he made a big mistake having ten men and putting his keeper in the box
I no I am not the only one who thinks that and just because you disagree I aint gonna lose any sleep over it
But proving your point it the very essence of debating. If you're not going to back up/prove your opinion then what's the point of expressing it?
Yeah - sack the manager who took you to the play offs.
sack the manager who cost you however much premier league is worth nowadays
if they had stuck with a point and we beat Bournemouth they could have automatic so yeah sack him for trying to be cocky
Cocky?? Going all out for the win is now considered cocky??
You do talk some bollocks
why go for a win when a point is good enough if I was a boro fan I would be majorly pissed off
oh and I don't care if you think I talk bollocks, Mr keyboard warrior
A draw wasn't good enough - they'd have needed Bournemouth to lose one of their last two games so definitely not "good enough"
Don't think I'm a "keyboard warrior" - I'd gladly say that to your face
A draw gives them a chance going into the final match, a defeat doesn't considering they had 10 men as well it makes the decision even worse IMO
if you want to put 9 men in the box fair enough, but there was still a minute to go, so you know if they win the ball they will score so put 9 men in the box but leave you keeper back just in case
A draw gives them a very very slim chance. If they were to have serious ambitions for automatic promotion then they ha to win. If I were a Boto fan if be disappointed if my manager hasn't thrown the dice and gone all out for the vital win
Still waiting for you to "prove" your point btw
I dont need to prove my point IMO he made a big mistake having ten men and putting his keeper in the box
I no I am not the only one who thinks that and just because you disagree I aint gonna lose any sleep over it
But proving your point it the very essence of debating. If you're not going to back up/prove your opinion then what's the point of expressing it?
proving what point
I said that If Boro dont go up and I was Gibson I would sack AK for that decision why? because they had 10 men and a point kept there chances alive into the last game where they are home and Bournemouth away there was a minute left on the clock and if it was a poor corner and the keeper grabbed it, it was always gonna lead to a goal which cost them.
Why you would sack a manager for being bold/daring and for getting your team so close to automatic promotion in the first place - you'd be a fool to sack a manager like Karanka for "playing it safe" and settling for a slim chance of automatic promotion
In a way I'm glad you're not CAFC chairman with that sort of mindset
Yeah - sack the manager who took you to the play offs.
sack the manager who cost you however much premier league is worth nowadays
if they had stuck with a point and we beat Bournemouth they could have automatic so yeah sack him for trying to be cocky
Cocky?? Going all out for the win is now considered cocky??
You do talk some bollocks
why go for a win when a point is good enough if I was a boro fan I would be majorly pissed off
oh and I don't care if you think I talk bollocks, Mr keyboard warrior
And it had paid off he would have been god, such are the vagaries of football.
and if I was rich and attractive I could be dating Ariana Grande
its not about what could have happened its about what has happened, and what has happened is Middlesbrough have lost any chance of automatic promotion because of a bad managerial decision
Why you would sack a manager for being bold/daring and for getting your team so close to automatic promotion in the first place - you'd be a fool to sack a manager like Karanka for "playing it safe" and settling for a slim chance of automatic promotion
In a way I'm glad you're not CAFC chairman with that sort of mindset
ok lets say you own a company and someone makes 1 bad decision and it costs you over £100 million, would you honesty keep him in his job
look at it from Gibsons eyes, he like most chairman is a businessman and he has just lost over £100 million
as I said I would only sack him if Boro win and Bournemouth lose on Saturday and Boro fail in the playoffs
Yeah - sack the manager who took you to the play offs.
sack the manager who cost you however much premier league is worth nowadays
if they had stuck with a point and we beat Bournemouth they could have automatic so yeah sack him for trying to be cocky
Cocky?? Going all out for the win is now considered cocky??
You do talk some bollocks
why go for a win when a point is good enough if I was a boro fan I would be majorly pissed off
oh and I don't care if you think I talk bollocks, Mr keyboard warrior
And it had paid off he would have been god, such are the vagaries of football.
and if I was rich and attractive I could be dating Ariana Grande
its not about what could have happened its about what has happened, and what has happened is Middlesbrough have lost any chance of automatic promotion because of a bad managerial decision
Paulie - Boro have had one of their best seasons in recent times (since being relegated) so why would they sack him? Playoffs was probably the highest they expected to reach this year so the way they battled down to the last 2 games has been extremely impressive.
Will you still mug him off if he smashes through the playoffs and ends up in the Prem? No. There are very fine lines in football and the keeper going up was a gamble, one that didn't come off granted, but If it had he'd be hailed a hero. Karanka has done a good job at Boro and looks like he'll be a decent manager going forwards. One mistake gamble shouldn't define a really good season.
Personally think he was silly to send goalie up, but maybe previous brave/strange decisions he has made has gained them 3,4,5 points and got them up there in first place.
The reason I mentioned Yann's play off penalty is because if next season for some reason we needed a manager and we were linked with unemployed Karanka you would say no, he is too cocky yet Yann did brilliant job for us after his 'cockiness'
If promotion is indeed worth £100m and my probabilities are correct (which they are within reason) then his decision cost the club £20-30m in expected value terms.
For this simple reason his position should have become untenable.
after the result on Saturday , whatever happens in our game means nothing to Boro (19-0 etc apart) now that Bournemouth won last night so any bollox about well he should have done this or that if we beat Bournemouth is all chuff because there's no way Bournemouth will play exactly the same now they are assured promotion
Bournemouth would be coming to the Valley 2 points ahead. Bournemouth only ever play to win. This would suit Charlton. Bournemouth would have got nervous. Boro go a goal up early on. Francis have flashbacks of the Preston game, his last at the Valley. Tony Watt beats 3 men and scores a worldy. The Bournemouth fans go silent. Brighton concede another goal. Johann scores a free kick.
Karanka mistake is the worse in football since Glenn Hoddle let David Batty take a penalty in the world Cup. If you can't think on your feet, you die on your knees in Football.
Karanka was foolish and to me it was a decision based on ego. That said he has done well this season so to suggest he is sacked or his position is untenable seems extreme. When you hire young managers this is the sort of mistake they make. It is a shame as I like Gibson, a British, fan owner who has sunk untold millions into his team and I feel sympathy for him. That being said, for Charlton reasons promotion for Bournemouth, owned by a petrol dollars billionaire ahead of Middlesbrough where Gibsons cash must be running out and they are swamped with debt is not necessarily a bad thing I guess.
Would have been nice going into this last game with it meaning something and I can bet Wiggins would have had a blinder and scored if we had had to win to keep Bournemouth down but so be it.
If promotion is indeed worth £100m and my probabilities are correct (which they are within reason) then his decision cost the club £20-30m in expected value terms.
For this simple reason his position should have become untenable.
Bournemouth would be coming to the Valley 2 points ahead. Bournemouth only ever play to win. This would suit Charlton. Bournemouth would have got nervous. Boro go a goal up early on. Francis have flashbacks of the Preston game, his last at the Valley. Tony Watt beats 3 men and scores a worldy. The Bournemouth fans go silent. Brighton concede another goal. Johann scores a free kick.
Karanka mistake is the worse in football since Glenn Hoddle let David Batty take a penalty in the world Cup. If you can't think on your feet, you die on your knees in Football.
They are in the playoffs, it's not like the decision relegated them, or dropped them out of the playoffs is it? They still have a chance. Also, who will replace them? What manager have they had recently that has had half the success of this season? None. The guy's done a fantastic job so far and there are far more positives than this one mistake.
If promotion is indeed worth £100m and my probabilities are correct (which they are within reason) then his decision cost the club £20-30m in expected value terms.
For this simple reason his position should have become untenable.
Is that really how football works though?
I suspect at the start of the match he thought it was a 'must win' game (and more importantly very 'winnable') but surely any decent intelligent manager adjusts his expectations as the facts change and reviews the situation de novo (ie. once you are 3-1 down with 10 men). At 3-3 he should have been protecting that precious point not trying to achieve his original target.
It's a bit like a golfer standing on a Par 5 tee and saying this is a 'must birdie' hole, but if he hooks his drive into the woods, he mentally accepts that even a bogey might be an acceptable score rather than blow his entire round by trying to get that elusive birdie.
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considering they had 10 men as well it makes the decision even worse IMO
if you want to put 9 men in the box fair enough, but there was still a minute to go, so you know if they win the ball they will score
so put 9 men in the box but leave you keeper back just in case
so thanks for proving my point
Still waiting for you to "prove" your point btw
IMO he made a big mistake having ten men and putting his keeper in the box
I no I am not the only one who thinks that and just because you disagree I aint gonna lose any sleep over it
I said that If Boro dont go up and I was Gibson I would sack AK for that decision
why?
because they had 10 men and a point kept there chances alive into the last game where they are home and Bournemouth away
there was a minute left on the clock and if it was a poor corner and the keeper grabbed it, it was always gonna lead to a goal which cost them.
So IMO it was a terrible decision
trying to figure out what you want me to prove
In a way I'm glad you're not CAFC chairman with that sort of mindset
and someone makes 1 bad decision and it costs you over £100 million, would you honesty keep him in his job
look at it from Gibsons eyes, he like most chairman is a businessman and he has just lost over £100 million
as I said I would only sack him if Boro win and Bournemouth lose on Saturday and Boro fail in the playoffs
Too short, fails the Charlton Life test
Will you still mug him off if he smashes through the playoffs and ends up in the Prem? No. There are very fine lines in football and the keeper going up was a gamble, one that didn't come off granted, but If it had he'd be hailed a hero. Karanka has done a good job at Boro and looks like he'll be a decent manager going forwards. One
mistakegamble shouldn't define a really good season.The reason I mentioned Yann's play off penalty is because if next season for some reason we needed a manager and we were linked with unemployed Karanka you would say no, he is too cocky yet Yann did brilliant job for us after his 'cockiness'
Sending Goalie up with over a minute to play and already being a man down - Also stupid.
Getting irate at one another - Hilarious for us lot that are watching...
For this simple reason his position should have become untenable.
so any bollox about well he should have done this or that if we beat Bournemouth is all chuff because there's no way Bournemouth will play exactly the same now they are assured promotion
Bournemouth would be coming to the Valley 2 points ahead.
Bournemouth only ever play to win.
This would suit Charlton.
Bournemouth would have got nervous.
Boro go a goal up early on.
Francis have flashbacks of the Preston game, his last at the Valley.
Tony Watt beats 3 men and scores a worldy.
The Bournemouth fans go silent.
Brighton concede another goal.
Johann scores a free kick.
Karanka mistake is the worse in football since Glenn Hoddle let David Batty take a penalty in the world Cup.
If you can't think on your feet, you die on your knees in Football.
My kids watch her on TV, she looks about 13!
Would have been nice going into this last game with it meaning something and I can bet Wiggins would have had a blinder and scored if we had had to win to keep Bournemouth down but so be it.
I suppose that's Charlton for ya
He who dares Rodney , he who dares
It's a bit like a golfer standing on a Par 5 tee and saying this is a 'must birdie' hole, but if he hooks his drive into the woods, he mentally accepts that even a bogey might be an acceptable score rather than blow his entire round by trying to get that elusive birdie.