As I understand it Luzon is only allowed to say the type of player he wants, not any actual individual. Then the researchers get onto the internet and find them, or they open the door to agents to press a player on them.
“I hope first that we will have a full squad in time for the QPR game,” said the Israeli boss.
“We need a minimum of four or five players.
“And when they arrive we will know exactly how we are going to play and how we are going to look.
Bearing in mind that he has specifically stated it, and the OS has published it, I would hope that they think they have a realistic chance of getting 4 or 5 bodies in by 8th August.
Well they will look seriously stupid if they haven't.
Coquelin had no Championship experience but was a seriously effective performer in that league from the first minute of his first game. Quality is what counts in the end. We can't buy that quality but I sense that Premiership clubs are much more inclined to lend young players on the fringe of their first teams to Championship clubs. I think it would benefit Charlton greatly if they could tap into that trend and build a relationship with their Premiership neighbours, Arsenal and Chelsea in particular as they seem to have the biggest stockpile of young talent that need to be loaned out every season in order to get match experience.
Coquelin had no Championship experience but was a seriously effective performer in that league from the first minute of his first game. Quality is what counts in the end. We can't buy that quality but I sense that Premiership clubs are much more inclined to lend young players on the fringe of their first teams to Championship clubs. I think it would benefit Charlton greatly if they could tap into that trend and build a relationship with their Premiership neighbours, Arsenal and Chelsea in particular as they seem to have the biggest stockpile of young talent that need to be loaned out every season in order to get match experience.
But Coquelin had played in England, for Arsenal before he joined us. Over 20 games in fact.
“I hope first that we will have a full squad in time for the QPR game,” said the Israeli boss.
"Bearing in mind that he has specifically stated it, and the OS has published it, I would hope that they think they have a realistic chance of getting 4 or 5 bodies in by 8th August.
Well they will look seriously stupid if they haven't."
Could be down to confidence, arrogance or incompetence but I don't think that RD gives a monkeys about how things look. I suspect that last year's approach will be repeated and we'll be short of a few players at the start. The youth and fringe players will be tried and reinforcements will follow in January if we're in trouble.
From a commercial point of view this is a reasonable if somewhat risky approach. Doesn't excite me as a fan but I know that I'm not that important in RD's eyes.
I do believe once we have the new academy building not only will we attract the best talent but also we can then start to be attractive to Arsenal & Chelsea. Hopefully we will have one of the best structures around the Championship, if not the best in South
At a guess maybe 2-3 signings on contracts. Maybe holding out to get reasonable deals (i.e. cheap) on unsigned players or players other sides want out. Then another 1-2 on loan from Premier sides, once the squads of 25 have been announced (whenever that is...).
I do believe once we have the new academy building not only will we attract the best talent but also we can then start to be attractive to Arsenal & Chelsea. Hopefully we will have one of the best structures around the Championship, if not the best in South
I tend to agree with this, but at the moment for a sceptical me it is still if we get the building.
Coquelin had no Championship experience but was a seriously effective performer in that league from the first minute of his first game. Quality is what counts in the end. We can't buy that quality but I sense that Premiership clubs are much more inclined to lend young players on the fringe of their first teams to Championship clubs. I think it would benefit Charlton greatly if they could tap into that trend and build a relationship with their Premiership neighbours, Arsenal and Chelsea in particular as they seem to have the biggest stockpile of young talent that need to be loaned out every season in order to get match experience.
But Coquelin had played in England, for Arsenal before he joined us. Over 20 games in fact.
I was replying to the specific point that had been made about needing to sign players with Championship experience. Must admit I did nor realise that Coquelin had played that many games in Arsenal's first team though.
At a guess maybe 2-3 signings on contracts. Maybe holding out to get reasonable deals (i.e. cheap) on unsigned players or players other sides want out. Then another 1-2 on loan from Premier sides, once the squads of 25 have been announced (whenever that is...).
I would expect another 3 or 4 loan signings at least (each one of a quality that makes them almost guaranteed starters in the first team). I would expect another 2 or 3 signings of out of contract players. I would be seriously disappointed if we wasted any money on fees for any players. The money from the sale of Gomez should be used to pay the wages of quality loan and out of contract signings. If by January we are looking like serious contenders for promotion then I think our owner would seriously consider investing a chunk of his own money in order to buy additional quality to get us over the line.
The idea of padding the squad with short term contracts and loanees is doomed to failure eventually and will prevent us signing better players. We need to incrementally add quality to what we have rather than starting each season with half our squad being strangers of unknown ability in our league. We approach the season with again a threadbare squad and our captain and two best midfielders (who would walk into most starting XIs in our division) in the last year of their contracts.
Gutted that we missed out on Stuart Downing. We could have done with a left sided player. Downing has even taken a 50% pay cut. He's accepted £35K per week to join Boro.
Gutted that we missed out on Stuart Downing. We could have done with a left sided player. Downing has even taken a 50% pay cut. He's accepted £35K per week to join Boro.
Only because it was Boro, he'd have gone to a Premier League side otherwise.
The idea of padding the squad with short term contracts and loanees is doomed to failure eventually and will prevent us signing better players. We need to incrementally add quality to what we have rather than starting each season with half our squad being strangers of unknown ability in our league. We approach the season with again a threadbare squad and our captain and two best midfielders (who would walk into most starting XIs in our division) in the last year of their contracts.
In an ideal world yes, I agree. But you need an owner willing to spend £10 - £20 million of his own money in transfer fees, plus half as much again on wages, each season to have any hope of succeeding.
Gutted that we missed out on Stuart Downing. We could have done with a left sided player. Downing has even taken a 50% pay cut. He's accepted £35K per week to join Boro.
Only because it was Boro, he'd have gone to a Premier League side otherwise.
Where the bloody hell have Boro got £7m from. They haven't been in the Prem for years, they havent been bought by a rich new owner, they dont get massive crowds, and they havent just sold someone.
The idea of padding the squad with short term contracts and loanees is doomed to failure eventually and will prevent us signing better players. We need to incrementally add quality to what we have rather than starting each season with half our squad being strangers of unknown ability in our league. We approach the season with again a threadbare squad and our captain and two best midfielders (who would walk into most starting XIs in our division) in the last year of their contracts.
In an ideal world yes, I agree. But you need an owner willing to spend £10 - £20 million of his own money in transfer fees, plus half as much again on wages, each season to have any hope of succeeding.
Disagree. Do loanees cost less in wages than contracted? Plenty of unattached players out there without paying a fee (Haynes!) then one or two marquee signings. This is the blueprint Curbs used.
Cawley Tweeting Hendo,jackson,solly,wiggins and THD set to play at dulwich on saturday.I wonder why they wont be involved against St Truiden?
Don't believe that for one second.
They won't play in Belgium cause the game is not on turf its on a artificial pitch and Luzon isn't sure if the 4 might get a injury from it .So they might fly back for the Dulwich game .
The idea of padding the squad with short term contracts and loanees is doomed to failure eventually and will prevent us signing better players. We need to incrementally add quality to what we have rather than starting each season with half our squad being strangers of unknown ability in our league. We approach the season with again a threadbare squad and our captain and two best midfielders (who would walk into most starting XIs in our division) in the last year of their contracts.
In an ideal world yes, I agree. But you need an owner willing to spend £10 - £20 million of his own money in transfer fees, plus half as much again on wages, each season to have any hope of succeeding.
Plenty of unattached players out there without paying a fee (Haynes!)
Gutted that we missed out on Stuart Downing. We could have done with a left sided player. Downing has even taken a 50% pay cut. He's accepted £35K per week to join Boro.
they've just bought a Uruguayan forward from Espanyol for £2.8m, plus the £5m they paid for Downing. This is why we will be lucky to get mid table again with the current squad. That for me is the sort of money you have to spend to compete at the top end now.
I'm not questioning our management, just pointing out that with Derby spending £4.75m on Ince and Boro spending £5m on Downing, plus wages......
Gutted that we missed out on Stuart Downing. We could have done with a left sided player. Downing has even taken a 50% pay cut. He's accepted £35K per week to join Boro.
they've just bought a Uruguayan forward from Espanyol for £2.8m, plus the £5m they paid for Downing. This is why we will be lucky to get mid table again with the current squad. That for me is the sort of money you have to spend to compete at the top end now.
I'm not questioning our management, just pointing out that with Derby spending £4.75m on Ince and Boro spending £5m on Downing, plus wages......
Or in our case pick up JBG on a free transfer just as effective as Ince and Downing.
The idea of padding the squad with short term contracts and loanees is doomed to failure eventually and will prevent us signing better players. We need to incrementally add quality to what we have rather than starting each season with half our squad being strangers of unknown ability in our league. We approach the season with again a threadbare squad and our captain and two best midfielders (who would walk into most starting XIs in our division) in the last year of their contracts.
Exactly. Short-term signings and loanees only end with us having to rebuild the squad every summer. Where's the long-term plan for on-pitch development and improvement? I genuinely can't ever see us being anything better than a mid-table Championship club while Duchatelet is around.
Gutted that we missed out on Stuart Downing. We could have done with a left sided player. Downing has even taken a 50% pay cut. He's accepted £35K per week to join Boro.
they've just bought a Uruguayan forward from Espanyol for £2.8m, plus the £5m they paid for Downing. This is why we will be lucky to get mid table again with the current squad. That for me is the sort of money you have to spend to compete at the top end now.
I'm not questioning our management, just pointing out that with Derby spending £4.75m on Ince and Boro spending £5m on Downing, plus wages......
Although it obviously helps if you've got the cash to splash it's no guarantee of success as Derby have shown in recent years also Fulham spent double that on one player and flirted with relegation for much of last season. The likes of Burnley and Blackpool have proved in recent seasons that it is possible to get promoted without breaking the bank.
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“We need a minimum of four or five players.
“And when they arrive we will know exactly how we are going to play and how we are going to look.
Bearing in mind that he has specifically stated it, and the OS has published it, I would hope that they think they have a realistic chance of getting 4 or 5 bodies in by 8th August.
Well they will look seriously stupid if they haven't.
From a commercial point of view this is a reasonable if somewhat risky approach. Doesn't excite me as a fan but I know that I'm not that important in RD's eyes.
Downing has even taken a 50% pay cut.
He's accepted £35K per week to join Boro.
Why would we risk players coming back from injury or fragile players on a 3g pitch?
Where has it come from?!
Plenty of unattached players out there without paying a fee (Haynes!) then one or two marquee signings. This is the blueprint Curbs used.
Plenty of unattached players out there without paying a fee (Haynes!)
I'm not questioning our management, just pointing out that with Derby spending £4.75m on Ince and Boro spending £5m on Downing, plus wages......