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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    LargeAddick said:

    Rumour is George is back as Steau wanted him to take a salary cut and he refused.

    Yeah that's what was rumoured but I don't get how that would work. I thought a loan was essentially a contractual agreement between two clubs that one club will take a player from another for a defined period of time, paying a defined amount of salary and a defined fee. How can Steau decide half way through that they just want to pay less and him refusing to accept lower wages means the deal is terminated and he's back with us (with us paying his salary) ?
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    se9addick said:

    LargeAddick said:

    Rumour is George is back as Steau wanted him to take a salary cut and he refused.

    Yeah that's what was rumoured but I don't get how that would work. I thought a loan was essentially a contractual agreement between two clubs that one club will take a player from another for a defined period of time, paying a defined amount of salary and a defined fee. How can Steau decide half way through that they just want to pay less and him refusing to accept lower wages means the deal is terminated and he's back with us (with us paying his salary) ?
    In sport, contracts often turn out to be about as water tight as something-not-at-all-watertight-but-less-clichéd-than-a-sieve. There's usually a way around these things.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    Exiled_Addick said:

    se9addick said:

    LargeAddick said:

    Rumour is George is back as Steau wanted him to take a salary cut and he refused.

    Yeah that's what was rumoured but I don't get how that would work. I thought a loan was essentially a contractual agreement between two clubs that one club will take a player from another for a defined period of time, paying a defined amount of salary and a defined fee. How can Steau decide half way through that they just want to pay less and him refusing to accept lower wages means the deal is terminated and he's back with us (with us paying his salary) ?
    In sport, contracts often turn out to be about as water tight as something-not-at-all-watertight-but-less-clichéd-than-a-sieve. There's usually a way around these things.
    Fair enough, just wish we'd realised this 12 months ago and the Simon Church story may have been shorter !
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,166
    Nothing wrong with having George as back up. Never thought he was quite as terrible as some made out. Still interested to see just how injured Igor is, but if he's back after a couple of weeks, Watt, Igor and Makienok, with KAG, Reza and George as possible back ups who can offer something a bit different would be handy. George's biggest problem was that too much was expected of him. Coming on when we're chasing a game or we need someone to link up with another striker and keep the ball up the pitch late on might ease the pressure on him and we might see a better player
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    If big mak gets injured I'd defo prefer George to replace him as he is the closest type of striker we have! Can hold the all up and link with other strikers! I'd be interested to see how he linked up with Watt! Maybe we should have had him here for pre season to have a look at him?
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    I have heard that Tucudean is going on loan to STTV.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    dickplumb said:

    I have heard that Tucudean is going on loan to STTV.

    So did I. Although, it was probably from you :smile:
  • ozaddick
    ozaddick Posts: 2,843
    Brad jones has suffered an inconceivable loss in his life with the death of his son from leukaemia in 2011. I'm not surprised he hasn't played a lot of games. I didn't realise he's 33 now. If he signs and plays for us I'm sure we'll see a top class keeper and a good honest pro. He grew up in Perth, Western Australia, the city I call home so I'd love to see him between the sticks down the valley.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    Rumour has it that our Strike force for Derby will be... Tucudean - Reza... Heard it here first
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,215
    se9addick said:

    LargeAddick said:

    Rumour is George is back as Steau wanted him to take a salary cut and he refused.

    Yeah that's what was rumoured but I don't get how that would work. I thought a loan was essentially a contractual agreement between two clubs that one club will take a player from another for a defined period of time, paying a defined amount of salary and a defined fee. How can Steau decide half way through that they just want to pay less and him refusing to accept lower wages means the deal is terminated and he's back with us (with us paying his salary) ?
    IIRC with international loans all the player's wages have to be paid by the club taking the player.

    So perhaps Steau weren't happy about playing English level wages for another year. They were willing to take GT on a perm contract but on lower wages but GT wasn't. So Steau took the option to cancel the loan.

    Speculation but it fits the known facts/rumours.

    Leaves us with a player deemed surplus to requirements in a position where were already have another expensive misfit (Reza) plus other, better options.

    Another drain on the budget unless he can be sold or loaned. The summer purchases seem a huge improvement on the previous RD window activity but it seems the mistakes of those previous windows keep coming back to haunt us.
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  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    GretnaGreenAddick said:

    I would have Tucudean back in the squad, not as a regular starter but like Reza, showed some flashes of quality & we are already paying his wages, better then having that slot filled by nobody as unless i have missed a story, i have not seen us linked with another first team striker.

    What slot ? We have Watt, Makienok, Vetokele and KAG
  • Mikey-cafc
    Mikey-cafc Posts: 242
    And now Reza. Tuc should be no where near our squad. He is a massive step backwards
  • Halix
    Halix Posts: 2,237
    edited August 2015
    Mikey-cafc said:

    And now Reza. Tuc should be no where near our squad. He is a massive step backwards

    More a massive misskick sidewards?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    I think he could do a job for us.
  • Halix
    Halix Posts: 2,237
    edited August 2015
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    I think he could do a job for us.

    He could make a start by selling a few bloomin programmes.
  • Madz
    Madz Posts: 1,004
    Only saw Tucudean play twice. Both times he scored and he looked like he had potential. Especially against Derby. I read what people have said about him and can see what they are getting at as he is not always clinical with passes and the highlights I've watched on the player show he missed some sitters, but with the right management he could develop. Not concerned that he is back. If he plays with the right attitude and doesn't rock the boat I think it's a useful other option. But wouldn't put him ahead of Watt, Vetokele, makienok or KAG.
  • GretnaGreenAddick
    GretnaGreenAddick Posts: 3,085
    wmcf123 said:

    GretnaGreenAddick said:

    I would have Tucudean back in the squad, not as a regular starter but like Reza, showed some flashes of quality & we are already paying his wages, better then having that slot filled by nobody as unless i have missed a story, i have not seen us linked with another first team striker.

    What slot ? We have Watt, Makienok, Vetokele and KAG
    I got the impression KAG did not look ready to be a regular starter at this level last Saturday and obviously hope i am wrong but Vetokele has that feel of the next player us fans say, would have been a fantastic player for us if it was not for the injuries.

    My point simply is that i don't think Tucudean is quite as useless as some believe and our failings last season was a squad too small, so quite happy for him to be given a chance to impress Luzon like Reza seems to be taking as we are already paying his wages and i have not got the impression we are looking at any other centre forwards anyway.
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,498
    I'd be happy if we could loan Tucudean out until Xmas to any Championship or L1 club. He's a decent player who needs games. But it may be more of a case that the club has made up it's mind and will try to offload him abroad. Why not to St Truiden? They play at a good level.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Would rather give KAG a chance than let Tucudean risk another Millwall moment.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    Simonsen said:

    I'd be happy if we could loan Tucudean out until Xmas to any Championship or L1 club. He's a decent player who needs games. But it may be more of a case that the club has made up it's mind and will try to offload him abroad. Why not to St Truiden? They play at a good level.

    It was rumoured he was coming back and would then be loaned to St Truiden. So it's quite likely.
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  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,359
    Don't even know if this is relevant by now, but Henry is currently playing for wolves against hull. It's probably pretty fair to say that the ship has sailed on that one.
  • scabbyhorse
    scabbyhorse Posts: 2,542
    Need a left sided winger who is as comfortable on the ball as Gudmunsson
  • alangee
    alangee Posts: 398
    The Red Robin said:

    Would rather give KAG a chance than let Tucudean risk another Millwall moment.

    So if someone misses a chance against Millwall then he is useless and should be put on the scrapheap?? Some of these comments are pathetic.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,166
    I think George gets far too much abuse for that Millwall miss. It wasn't even the worst miss ever, he just tried to overplay and ran out of space. Seems to be the only thing some people can say about George even though he scored some decent goals in not too many appearances. George's best performance was against Cardiff, a match where Igor was put clean through on goal and spaffed it over in the last minute with one of the worst misses I've seen from a striker. People don't seem to worry about that one though. I wonder if you reversed the games - had Igor miss against Millwall - it would change people's views on George or if he just doesn't get the same amount of leeway as Igor.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    edited August 2015
    Henry looks really good. He says he wants to come back south. Wolves won't want to lose him for nothing next summer. Just give them what they want (which we could have done for c700k if rumours are to be believed which would have been well worth it). Just what we need so get it over the line. He is switching sides - imagine him switching with JBG.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    The 45 minutes George had in the 2nd half against Cardiff were Superb if not only Igor but Johann also miss chances plus George hit the post and had another cleared off the line. every flick and overhead went to a CAFC player.
    so 45 mins against Cardiff, Derby, and the 90 against Bolton when he led the attack on his own when Igor was out, were the highlights.
    The problem was every away game i saw him play he was sub standard, plus too many other poor games at home too.
    One of the more baffling players to have worn the shirt over the years.
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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Garrymanilow said:

    I think George gets far too much abuse for that Millwall miss. It wasn't even the worst miss ever, he just tried to overplay and ran out of space. Seems to be the only thing some people can say about George even though he scored some decent goals in not too many appearances. George's best performance was against Cardiff, a match where Igor was put clean through on goal and spaffed it over in the last minute with one of the worst misses I've seen from a striker. People don't seem to worry about that one though. I wonder if you reversed the games - had Igor miss against Millwall - it would change people's views on George or if he just doesn't get the same amount of leeway as Igor.

    They probably don't worry about that miss because we know Igor can consistently score goals in The Championship. Tucudean isn't good enough.
  • alangee
    alangee Posts: 398
    soapboxsam said:

    The 45 minutes George had in the 2nd half against Cardiff were Superb if not only Igor but Johann also miss chances plus George hit the post and had another cleared off the line. every flick and overhead went to a CAFC player.
    so 45 mins against Cardiff, Derby, and the 90 against Bolton when he led the attack on his own when Igor was out, were the highlights.
    The problem was every away game i saw him play he was sub standard, plus too many other poor games at home too.
    One of the more baffling players to have worn the shirt over the years.

    Wenger says that it takes a season for overseas players to get used to the premiership. I know that we are in the Championship, but we seem to give some of our overseas players only one or two games, and then decide they are rubbish.

    George had been playing in some sub-standard leagues prior to joining us, but we expected him to be an instant world beater. I wonder if it was more to do with the fact he came from the network that is the problem.
  • uie2
    uie2 Posts: 4,596
    Both the Sunday mirror and the People saying we are about to sign Brad Jones! Bit behind, are they just picking up on Mr Cawleys reports
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