Phil Chapple joining Fulham?
Not that surprising I guess. Doubt we'll be told who if anyone is replacing him.
With RD selling Standard Liege who is scouting players around Europe for us? Can't imagine the other clubs have big scouting networks. Are there scouts that work for RD rather than a specific club?
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RD doesn't need scouts. Much cheaper for him to have 24 screens and Youtube.Scoham said:http://www.cafcpicks.com/cgi-bin/drkish/display.pl?month=201509&date=20150927&time=2133
Not that surprising I guess. Doubt we'll be told who if anyone is replacing him.
With RD selling Standard Liege who is scouting players around Europe for us? Can't imagine the other clubs have big scouting networks. Are there scouts that work for RD rather than a specific club?6 -
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Boo or Clap on Sunday?6
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Bad news.
Another long term staff member leaving but I suspect that he has found it difficult to be a chief scout in recent years.
We all know how it will play out if he does go.
His departure is barely acknowledged, if it is at all, by the club.
His contribution will be rubbished on here.
It will be pointed out on here that there are lots of scouts so what's the big deal? Scouts are 10 a penny.
Anyone daring to be concerned will be derided.
Chapple does an interview for the SLP in a few months expressing his reasons for leaving which will be dismissed as "sour grapes from a bitter ex-employee"38 -
Can the last one turn off the light as they go1
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Henry Irving said:
Bad news.
His contribution will be rubbished on here.
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Never thought he was a decent centre forward.3 -
can't tell if it's bad news or not. Since RD took over we had had some bad signings but also some very good one's. How many have Phil been involved with? Probably not many. So can't really judge if he's been a success or not but he was also here when we signed the likes of Izale McLeod, Luke Varney, McCormack, Andy Gray etc etc so maybe he's been a big disaster and so won't be missed at all.3
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would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him3
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It is bad news. PC has been a very good servant for the club and I doubt many know the British leagues as well as Phil does.
I feel sure that he has felt marginalised under the current regime where the emphasis on recruitment has shifted in the main to mainland Europe rather than Bradford or Swindon. I doubt his expertise runs quite as far as knowing every player in Holland, Belgium or France.
Probably makes sense for him to move to where his skills are necessary and valued ?
Good luck Phil.13 -
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
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if so then you also have to say the Championship relegation squad under Pardew. Swings and roundabouts and all that.shirty5 said:
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
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Chief Scout since 2007 so that is possible.LargeAddick said:
if so then you also have to say the Championship relegation squad under Pardew. Swings and roundabouts and all that.shirty5 said:
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
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Not necessarily.LargeAddick said:
if so then you also have to say the Championship relegation squad under Pardew. Swings and roundabouts and all that.shirty5 said:
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
We don't know who was recommended by Chapple and then signed and we don't know who was recommended by Chapple and then not signed.
I'll stick my neck out and say that he is a better judge than three unknown and possibly unqualified blokes sitting at lap tops in Belgium.10 -
So that would include such starlets as Wade Small, Andy Gray, Dorian Smith, Izale McLeod, Stuart Fleetwood, the South African guy, Tresor Kandol, Pawel Abbott, Dean Sinclair and many many more.shirty5 said:
Chief Scout since 2007 so that is possible.LargeAddick said:
if so then you also have to say the Championship relegation squad under Pardew. Swings and roundabouts and all that.shirty5 said:
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
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Is that still the case/was it ever really the case? Is that how players like Bauer and Kashi were spotted?Henry Irving said:
Not necessarily.LargeAddick said:
if so then you also have to say the Championship relegation squad under Pardew. Swings and roundabouts and all that.shirty5 said:
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
We don't know who was recommended by Chapple and then signed and we don't know who was recommended by Chapple and then not signed.
I'll stick my neck out and say that he is a better judge than three unknown and possibly unqualified blokes sitting at lap tops in Belgium.1 -
I don't think it is the case NOW. People who were there at the time say it was the case THEN.Scoham said:
Is that still the case/was it ever really the case? Is that how players like Bauer and Kashi were spotted?Henry Irving said:
Not necessarily.LargeAddick said:
if so then you also have to say the Championship relegation squad under Pardew. Swings and roundabouts and all that.shirty5 said:
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
We don't know who was recommended by Chapple and then signed and we don't know who was recommended by Chapple and then not signed.
I'll stick my neck out and say that he is a better judge than three unknown and possibly unqualified blokes sitting at lap tops in Belgium.0 -
i think its a great shame yet inevitable...thanks for everything you did for Charlton Phil and all the best to you for the future
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Sorry to hear this news.
All the best Phil.2 -
Henry Irving said:
Bad news.
Another long term staff member leaving but I suspect that he has found it difficult to be a chief scout in recent years.
We all know how it will play out if he does go.
His departure is barely acknowledged, if it is at all, by the club.
His contribution will be rubbished on here.
It will be pointed out on here that there are lots of scouts so what's the big deal? Scouts are 10 a penny.
Anyone daring to be concerned will be derided.
Chapple does an interview for the SLP in a few months expressing his reasons for leaving which will be dismissed as "sour grapes from a bitter ex-employee"
Lol.sam3110 said:
So that would include such starlets as Wade Small, Andy Gray, Dorian Smith, Izale McLeod, Stuart Fleetwood, the South African guy, Tresor Kandol, Pawel Abbott, Dean Sinclair and many many more.shirty5 said:
Chief Scout since 2007 so that is possible.LargeAddick said:
if so then you also have to say the Championship relegation squad under Pardew. Swings and roundabouts and all that.shirty5 said:
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
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I interviewed Phil Chapple earlier this year for Trust News and I was very impressed with him. He was very open, honest and reflective and he had an incredible knowledge of players in GB and Europe. He also had a great ability to make fine distinctions. I would imagine that the various managers he has worked for took his recommendations and opinions very seriously.
To judge his scouting ability by the various players (whether good or bad) we have actually signed is absurd. His job was to be aware of the potential market - strengths / weaknesses / contractual position / personality / etc etc and pass on that information with a recommendation. Who was eventually signed was down to the manager and was governed by the financial position at the time.
I approached him last month for a follow up interview about how this summer's recruits were located but he politely declined. Maybe his impending departure was one of the reasons behind this.............13 - Sponsored links:
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Don't know if he is good, bad or indifferent. As like everyone else I have no idea whom he recommended and we bought, whom he recommended and we turned aside, what budgets we have been working to, what mandate he has had etc.
I do feel however that as an English football team we need a chief scout of the UK who knows the English leagues and has excellent connections to enable us to have a chance with bringing in experienced, quality players. To do well in the Champ on a budget, look at Ipswich with their savvy English manager who has all of this in bundles. No surprise he unearths those discarded, unwanted but still very capable players. I hope we suitably replace PC, if not, I fear it is a false economy on saved wages.2 -
Maybe your interview style was too aggressive. Are you like Kay Burley? Do you ask a question before he has finished answering the last one? Do you badger people. Do you? Do you? Do you? Do you keep firing questions and never leave enough time to answer one? Do you? Do you? Do you?Pico said:I interviewed Phil Chapple earlier this year for Trust News and I was very impressed with him. He was very open, honest and reflective and he had an incredible knowledge of players in GB and Europe. He also had a great ability to make fine distinctions. I would imagine that the various managers he has worked for took his recommendations and opinions very seriously.
To judge his scouting ability by the various players (whether good or bad) we have actually signed is absurd. His job was to be aware of the potential market - strengths / weaknesses / contractual position / personality / etc etc and pass on that information with a recommendation. Who was eventually signed was down to the manager and was governed by the financial position at the time.
I approached him last month for a follow up interview about how this summer's recruits were located but he politely declined. Maybe his impending departure was one of the reasons behind this.............
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From what I know of the man he will be a big miss, a very talented scout with coaching abilities. I dread to think this 'experiment' is getting us into an un-returnable position post RD's tenure. Our backroom staff would need a complete overhaul.
It seemed inevitable though, even as far back as last season, I'm surprised Phil hadn't been snapped up by someone sooner. Good luck to him.2 -
Izale Mcleod Scored 54 goals in 117 aps for Milton Keynes. 2004-2007.sam3110 said:
So that would include such starlets as Wade Small, Andy Gray, Dorian Smith, Izale McLeod, Stuart Fleetwood, the South African guy, Tresor Kandol, Pawel Abbott, Dean Sinclair and many many more.shirty5 said:
Chief Scout since 2007 so that is possible.LargeAddick said:
if so then you also have to say the Championship relegation squad under Pardew. Swings and roundabouts and all that.shirty5 said:
Possibly none of the players signed from foreign clubs and the goalkeepers. The rest would be the likes of Johnson, Eagles, Bikey and the league one winning squad in conjunction with Powell and Dyer.Elthamaddick said:would be interested to see the list of players we'd signed that were as a direct recommendation of him
nearly 1 goal every 2 games.
Why wouldn't that be worth a punt in 2007.
Andy Gray scored 25 in 60 aps for Burnley 2006-2008.
1 goal every 2 and a half games.
why wouldn't that be worth a punt in 2008.
Tresol Kandol had just scored 8 goals in 18 apps for Millwall on loan.
nearly 1 goal every 2 games.
why wouldn't that be worth a punt in 2009.
Stuart Fleetwood scored 28 goals in 41 Apps for Forest Green.
1 goal every 1 and a half games.
why would'nt that be worth a punt in 2008, when he was only 22.
he only made 1 app for us.
Pavel Abbott scored 44 goals in 105 apps for Huddersfield 2004-2007
1 goal every 2 and a half matches plus 13 in 39 at Oldham. 1 in 3. 2009/10
Why wouldn't that be worth a punt in 2010.
The high turnover of Players which Chapple and CP signed and who hit the ground running in our League 1 winning side was a fantastic achievement.
The players not making it at CAFC may be more to do with the manager at the time, not the head scout.
You will always have duds, every clubs does.
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Couple of points to things that i don't think have been mentioned.
Does anyone know if Chapple's role was one purely forcused on player recruitment? That is all anyone ever mentions, yet a huge part of scouting is future opposition preperation. No idea whether that falls under his remit or not.
Secondly, (and i'm sure @Tutt-Tutt will correct me if wrong), i'm pretty sure that when you lose a chief scout, if that person is moving to another club you invariably lose virtually your whole scouting network; his contacts at other clubs and in the game that he has built up, regional scouts who report up etc. It can take a hell of a long time to build up a solid network with the right coverage and know who in the game to trust or avoid, and it can be something that can be very quickly be lost.
Seeing 'names' of players that will come round on the PFA circulars will only help you make a judgement based on what you think your know of their ability. You really need to have a solid contact base in the game to get a true understanding of things like their character, whether they will fit into your dressing room, manageable hidden injuries they may be carrying, ability to step up if a youngster looking for experience etc.
Very much an underated role imo
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My understanding was that he was Chief Scout but his focus was on player recruitment. There were other scouts whose main role was the opposition although at a club of our size there is bound to be an overlap.AFKABartram said:Couple of points to things that i don't think have been mentioned.
Does anyone know if Chapple's role was one purely forcused on player recruitment? That is all anyone ever mentions, yet a huge part of scouting is future opposition preperation. No idea whether that falls under his remit or not.
Secondly, (and i'm sure @Tutt-Tutt will correct me if wrong), i'm pretty sure that when you lose a chief scout, if that person is moving to another club you invariably lose virtually your whole scouting network; his contacts at other clubs and in the game that he has built up, regional scouts who report up etc. It can take a hell of a long time to build up a solid network with the right coverage and know who in the game to trust or avoid, and it can be something that can be very quickly be lost.
Seeing 'names' of players that will come round on the PFA circulars will only help you make a judgement based on what you think your know of their ability. You really need to have a solid contact base in the game to get a true understanding of things like their character, whether they will fit into your dressing room, manageable hidden injuries they may be carrying, ability to step up if a youngster looking for experience etc.
Very much an underated role imo
If you ever went in the Scouts office at the Valley there was a white board with a list of 20 to 30 players there were looking at that MONTH.
It's a good, and worrying, point you make about the network and contacts going with the chief Scout.
And this on top of the academy recruitment guy leaving in the summer.
Still, he's not officially gone yet. Let's hope he's persuaded to stay.1 -
Oh dear. RD/KM don't do open, honest & reflective.Pico said:I interviewed Phil Chapple earlier this year for Trust News and I was very impressed with him. He was very open, honest and reflective
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FFS anything RD does or doesnt do its the end of the world !!!!!!!!
so where the f--ck do you think we would be if he hadnt come in and got rid of the used car salesmen duo ? what league ?
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I asked Keith Peacock, less than two weeks ago, who was doing the scouting, as we had previously been using Standard Liege's scouts/laptop men.
As KP is the perfect gentleman, he looked suitably embarrassed and did not answer.
I felt for him, so didn't ask again and we remain mushrooms.
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It would make for an interesting evening to have Phil Chapple at a supporters branch gathering.ShootersHillGuru said:It is bad news. PC has been a very good servant for the club and I doubt many know the British leagues as well as Phil does.
I feel sure that he has felt marginalised under the current regime where the emphasis on recruitment has shifted in the main to mainland Europe rather than Bradford or Swindon. I doubt his expertise runs quite as far as knowing every player in Holland, Belgium or France.
Probably makes sense for him to move to where his skills are necessary and valued ?
Good luck Phil.5
