I’m all for fan activism and ultimately, whilst we remain outside the Premier League, if we are united we are by far the clubs largest financial stakeholders which probably gives us more clout than we realise.
My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
The best time to organize any show of solidarity of the fans against the present owners, would be the Ipswich game with the Sky showing the game live. The fans could have 15mins of fame before the ELP league game kicks off.
There are some good comments in this thread and comments from more knowledgeable about how to deal with the owners of a football club and the way the club works.
For my tuppence worth, I feel that a united front is needed more than anything else. I don't know how many interest groups there are, but I think it is important that they all pull together. This means putting aside differences or claiming a greater voice than another group and focusing on what everyone must (almost certainly) agree is, at the very least, a less than satisfactory situation. If there are well respected individuals around the club too who can add weight to the combined effort of these interest groups, there just may be a way forward. It's a big ask and it will mean that one group must not seek supremacy over another; a united front must be the focus. I don't know if this is possible. It may be a ridiculous idea and just show that different groups of fans have far more diverse views than I perceive. However, I think it is worth trying and I would be prepared to help in any way I can.
Such a plan will not happen in five minutes, but whether we stay up or go down this season, I think the point is that something needs to change.
I’m all for fan activism and ultimately, whilst we remain outside the Premier League, if we are united we are by far the clubs largest financial stakeholders which probably gives us more clout than we realise.
My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
Which is why there is nothing about the team or team performance in the actions.
What there are are timed actions around customer complaints, service and communications all of which are actionable at minimal cost, in quick team and do not rely on how the team is doing because that is separate issue.
I’m all for fan activism and ultimately, whilst we remain outside the Premier League, if we are united we are by far the clubs largest financial stakeholders which probably gives us more clout than we realise.
My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
Which is why there is nothing about the team or team performance in the actions.
What there are are timed actions around customer complaints, service and communications all of which are actionable at minimal cost, in quick team and do not rely on how the team is doing because that is separate issue.
I am sorry but the lol button does not do justice to that. So you don't want to do anything about how they are ruining the club just that they tell us how and reply to emails? This is about fighting for the future of the addicks not a dissertation on customer relations no?
The best time to organize any show of solidarity of the fans against the present owners, would be the Ipswich game with the Sky showing the game live. The fans could have 15mins of fame before the ELP league game kicks off.
I’m all for fan activism and ultimately, whilst we remain outside the Premier League, if we are united we are by far the clubs largest financial stakeholders which probably gives us more clout than we realise.
My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
Which is why there is nothing about the team or team performance in the actions.
What there are are timed actions around customer complaints, service and communications all of which are actionable at minimal cost, in quick team and do not rely on how the team is doing because that is separate issue.
I am sorry but the lol button does not do justice to that. So you don't want to do anything about how they are ruining the club just that they tell us how and reply to emails? This is about fighting for the future of the addicks not a dissertation on customer relations no?
You don't agree that's fine, you totally misrepresenting what I've said, that's not.
Do your own thing, start you own campaign, go for it.
I’m all for fan activism and ultimately, whilst we remain outside the Premier League, if we are united we are by far the clubs largest financial stakeholders which probably gives us more clout than we realise.
My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
Which is why there is nothing about the team or team performance in the actions.
What there are are timed actions around customer complaints, service and communications all of which are actionable at minimal cost, in quick team and do not rely on how the team is doing because that is separate issue.
Absolutely - and quite rightly, the four objectives are absolutely spot on. I just hope that everyone who buys in buys into the objectives and not just as a convenient way to vent their frustration at on the field failures.
I’m all for fan activism and ultimately, whilst we remain outside the Premier League, if we are united we are by far the clubs largest financial stakeholders which probably gives us more clout than we realise.
My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
Which is why there is nothing about the team or team performance in the actions.
What there are are timed actions around customer complaints, service and communications all of which are actionable at minimal cost, in quick team and do not rely on how the team is doing because that is separate issue.
Absolutely - and quite rightly, the four objectives are absolutely spot on. I just hope that everyone who buys in buys into the objectives and not just as a convenient way to vent their frustration at on the field failures.
The best time to organize any show of solidarity of the fans against the present owners, would be the Ipswich game with the Sky showing the game live. The fans could have 15mins of fame before the ELP league game kicks off.
I’m all for fan activism and ultimately, whilst we remain outside the Premier League, if we are united we are by far the clubs largest financial stakeholders which probably gives us more clout than we realise.
My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
Which is why there is nothing about the team or team performance in the actions.
What there are are timed actions around customer complaints, service and communications all of which are actionable at minimal cost, in quick team and do not rely on how the team is doing because that is separate issue.
I am sorry but the lol button does not do justice to that. So you don't want to do anything about how they are ruining the club just that they tell us how and reply to emails? This is about fighting for the future of the addicks not a dissertation on customer relations no?
You don't agree that's fine, you totally misrepresenting what I've said, that's not.
Do your own thing, start you own campaign, go for it.
And good luck with yours. You are right I do think it is pointless but who knows in the long run it might be a good ploy as others take direct action.
I’m all for fan activism and ultimately, whilst we remain outside the Premier League, if we are united we are by far the clubs largest financial stakeholders which probably gives us more clout than we realise.
My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
Which is why there is nothing about the team or team performance in the actions.
What there are are timed actions around customer complaints, service and communications all of which are actionable at minimal cost, in quick team and do not rely on how the team is doing because that is separate issue.
I am sorry but the lol button does not do justice to that. So you don't want to do anything about how they are ruining the club just that they tell us how and reply to emails? This is about fighting for the future of the addicks not a dissertation on customer relations no?
But that's not what he's said though is it ? I look forward to your campaign that fights for "the future of the addicks" - quite frankly if there is to be a bright future we need some answers on the present situation of the addicks and as far as I can see that's what the black & white campaign is seeking to address.
Just one observation in relation to the first bullet point;
- That by the end of the current season the board spell out exactly and with time frames and budgets what the business plan is for Charlton Athletic
In reality, can we expect a privately owned business in an ultra-competitive sector to spell out exactly what it's business plan is and give budgets, etc? Maybe some tinkering with the wording here to water it down or change the emphasis slightly? I dunno, something like "inviting them to share plans" or "give assurances to fans" or "provide indications as tot the intended direction of the club".
I just think that if you asked 95% of business owners to give you their full business plan as an opening gambit you're much less likely to get the response you want - or even any response.
Why on Earth would this latest campaign demanding the owners reveal their business plans etc, succeed where the Trust's failed? It's as desperate as it is naive.
Why on Earth would this latest campaign demanding the owners reveal their business plans etc, succeed where the Trust's failed? It's as desperate as it is naive.
Why on Earth would this latest campaign demanding the owners reveal their business plans etc, succeed where the Trust's failed? It's as desperate as it is naive.
Why on Earth would this latest campaign demanding the owners reveal their business plans etc, succeed where the Trust's failed? It's as desperate as it is naive.
As great as the work is from the trust, a well driven social media & at the match is a different ball game. We have a TV match coming up that this campaign may catch the eye of, they want stories - if we are in the relegation zone and crying for action to be made from our owners they won't dismiss it.
Desperation is not necessarily a bad thing - just because something else has failed doesn't mean you should scrap plan B. If this or similar current 'action' that may be in planning elsewhere fails, then I'm sure further action may happen but it may start to get a bit sour.
Why on Earth would this latest campaign demanding the owners reveal their business plans etc, succeed where the Trust's failed? It's as desperate as it is naive.
This is clearly positioned as an effort in addition to the Trust's efforts and those of any others. If you are seeing it any other way, then you are choosing to see it that way for some other reason.
Why on Earth would this latest campaign demanding the owners reveal their business plans etc, succeed where the Trust's failed? It's as desperate as it is naive.
If this was to happen, instead of buying t shirts, scarves etc. through a company making all of the profit out of them it might be best to raise some funds for CAST or whoever everyone deems best. Fabrily.com lets you do this. I've rushed out a design purely to see how much money can be made. If we sold 100 of these for £15 then it'd make £429 profit for whichever cause. Just something to think about.
Dozen eggs each and cries of RD out, Pitch invasion at HT and after the game, Oh and the burning of that damn sofa! might make them see we are not happy. As for revealing business plans > https://youtu.be/CNGTn3eismo
Why on Earth would this latest campaign demanding the owners reveal their business plans etc, succeed where the Trust's failed? It's as desperate as it is naive.
This is clearly positioned as an effort in addition to the Trust's efforts and those of any others. If you are seeing it any other way, then you are choosing to see it that way for some other reason.
The OP makes no mention of this campaign being an effort in addition to the Trust's efforts whatsoever. Even if it did, it would have little, if any, effect on Miere's obduracy.
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My big worry is that all four aims of this movement, an understanding of the business plan (even a clue!), the desire for a two way dialogue, responsiveness, working together to improve attendances have been issues from this regimes start. They were issues in February when the public meeting in Woolwich was held and it felt like there was a real groundswell of “enough is enough – we want some answers” but then the team went on a winning run and all was forgiven. When we were beating QPR and Hull at the start of the season nobody saw the need for a fans protest movement, and if we beat Brentford on Saturday and go on a decent run then will we still want the four goals ? Personally I would, but the real key to this is to divorce the performances on the pitch to answers about the governance off the pitch – the alternative is that this will lose momentum and in late 2016 we’ll be having another Woolwich/Black and White moment.
It was clearly meant as you win nothing with kids and inexperienced foreign players.
As per my response to you when I made the comment.
For my tuppence worth, I feel that a united front is needed more than anything else. I don't know how many interest groups there are, but I think it is important that they all pull together. This means putting aside differences or claiming a greater voice than another group and focusing on what everyone must (almost certainly) agree is, at the very least, a less than satisfactory situation. If there are well respected individuals around the club too who can add weight to the combined effort of these interest groups, there just may be a way forward. It's a big ask and it will mean that one group must not seek supremacy over another; a united front must be the focus. I don't know if this is possible. It may be a ridiculous idea and just show that different groups of fans have far more diverse views than I perceive. However, I think it is worth trying and I would be prepared to help in any way I can.
Such a plan will not happen in five minutes, but whether we stay up or go down this season, I think the point is that something needs to change.
What there are are timed actions around customer complaints, service and communications all of which are actionable at minimal cost, in quick team and do not rely on how the team is doing because that is separate issue.
Do your own thing, start you own campaign, go for it.
Just one observation in relation to the first bullet point;
- That by the end of the current season the board spell out exactly and with time frames and budgets what the business plan is for Charlton Athletic
In reality, can we expect a privately owned business in an ultra-competitive sector to spell out exactly what it's business plan is and give budgets, etc? Maybe some tinkering with the wording here to water it down or change the emphasis slightly? I dunno, something like "inviting them to share plans" or "give assurances to fans" or "provide indications as tot the intended direction of the club".
I just think that if you asked 95% of business owners to give you their full business plan as an opening gambit you're much less likely to get the response you want - or even any response.
Twitter - @CAFCBlackNWhite
Let's get the ball rolling.
Let's reach out. Silence achieves nothing. A structured campaign showing intelligence and not just rowdiness and distain CAN make a difference.
It's as desperate as it is naive.
Desperation is not necessarily a bad thing - just because something else has failed doesn't mean you should scrap plan B. If this or similar current 'action' that may be in planning elsewhere fails, then I'm sure further action may happen but it may start to get a bit sour.
might make them see we are not happy. As for revealing business plans >
However, I don't think it will make one jot of difference.