Arthur, I have no connection to this fella, he doesn't pull the club together, do I want to trek halfway up and down the country to support him, I think there's plenty of other things I'd rather be doing at the moment, sorry if that offends you, but it's the way it is.
Arthur, I have no connection to this fella, he doesn't pull the club together, do I want to trek halfway up and down the country to support him, I think there's plenty of other things I'd rather be doing at the moment, sorry if that offends you, but it's the way it is.
Not offended. I was in your position under the last owner when I realized we didn't even know who he was. We had a faceless owner with a succession of inept managers and under investment in the squad. RD is nothing new from my point of view.
But sticking to the point, can you justify on what grounds, apart from mass hysteria, you think our current manager is "clearly out of his depth".
Arthur, I don't want to get into a squabble mate, it's a Sunday morning for goodness sake, but I fear an absolute tonking coming next weekend at Brighton for a start, the way we played yesterday is the same way as we did under Luzon, keep this up, and we'll be arguing a toss in league one.
It looks like we've had our new manager bounce, and if JJ is out for a bit, the results are not going to be great, the whole thinks stinks of failure, I'm sorry if you've met Karel, and think he's a lovely bloke, he probably is, I just don't think he has the credentials to manage at this level, he is the cheap option.
Bolton at home is coming up, a must win game you'd say looking at our plight, and a game we should be winning looking at their abysmal record, this season, but given the fact we haven't performed against Rotherham, Preston, or MK Dons, I'm not convinced at the moment that we are going to beat Bolton.
I'm sorry if I don't share your enthusiasm for the club, but as the Fugees once sung, the song 'killing me softly' springs to mind.
When it takes an 18 year old lad to get off his arse, and bother to do something ( well done by the way Joe) you know the fans are apathetic towards the situation.
The players need a kick up the arse, I would have loved to have had Big Mick in our dugout yesterday, we wouldn't let the players hide, or get off the hook, he'd lay lay into them, get them fired up , rather than feeling sorry for themselves, and get them to put a shift in for their own pride and also the fans, so they are not taken as mugs, how can the player respect this fella for his previous achievements in the game?
Arthur, I have no connection to this fella, he doesn't pull the club together, do I want to trek halfway up and down the country to support him, I think there's plenty of other things I'd rather be doing at the moment, sorry if that offends you, but it's the way it is.
Not offended. I was in your position under the last owner when I realized we didn't even know who he was. We had a faceless owner with a succession of inept managers and under investment in the squad. RD is nothing new from my point of view.
But sticking to the point, can you justify on what grounds, apart from mass hysteria, you think our current manager is "clearly out of his depth".
The previous owner before RD sacked Parky on day 2, appointed Powell (after first offering the job to Howe) and then kept the same Manager for as long as he owned the club so not sure what you mean by succession of inept managers.
For a successful business guy this fella has a pretty naff record of appointing managers, you think he'd do his homework, and appoint a British up and coming manager, rather than always try to do things on the cheap, we keep repeating the same mistakes, it makes no sense?
It doesn't take a genius that this hasn't worked out, and structurally player wise we are set up wrong, when will Roland learn?
Unless he has a significant psychological event (chemically or traumatically) he won't learn anything. He doesn't believe there is anything for him to learn, he is above all that in his view. He has no emotional or spiritual investment in his sports experiment, just financial. Managers are components. In his view: they can be obtained, they have a specification, if they prove faulty they can be replaced, they have an operating life expectancy, they can be taken out of one unit and placed into another (ostensibly) similar unit. The same goes for players. We who have followed football for far longer know he's wrong but we have nothing to contribute, in his model we are mute, entertainment consumers. Apparently he aims to enhance the spectator experience but with virtually no knowledge or experience of his product, and zero appreciation of how crucial the onfield performance and our connection to that 'product' are. I'd be about as much use captaining a cruise ship: I've seen several, been on the bridge of a really big one, met some crew, I'm aware in outline of what the ships do but could I run one? Obviously not and I don't expect to be able to by looking it up in Cunard's brochure.
Arthur, I have no connection to this fella, he doesn't pull the club together, do I want to trek halfway up and down the country to support him, I think there's plenty of other things I'd rather be doing at the moment, sorry if that offends you, but it's the way it is.
Not offended. I was in your position under the last owner when I realized we didn't even know who he was. We had a faceless owner with a succession of inept managers and under investment in the squad. RD is nothing new from my point of view.
But sticking to the point, can you justify on what grounds, apart from mass hysteria, you think our current manager is "clearly out of his depth".
The previous owner before RD sacked Parky on day 2, appointed Powell (after first offering the job to Howe) and then kept the same Manager for as long as he owned the club so not sure what you mean by succession of inept managers.
OK, so your opinion of Dowie, Reed, Parky and Pardew, and our desperate, woeful, soul destroying descent into League 1 may be more positive than mine. A succession of, in my opinion and at the time they were with us, with our resources, managers who failed to produce attractive or winning football.
But it's OK, they were British and things were so much better than they are today. We (editedthen) had an owner (was he Belgian? Who knew at the time - he may as well have been) I didnt know, he certainly didnt come and meet the fans on demand, and his plans for my club never filtered down to me.
I reached the same breaking point as many say they have reached this season as we descended into an dreadful, misery marathon end to Powell's first season.
I want to go to Charlton to enjoy myself. Listening to the seemingly endless negativity during the stewardship of the managers listed above was just too much to justify a season ticket.
For a successful business guy this fella has a pretty naff record of appointing managers, you think he'd do his homework, and appoint a British up and coming manager, rather than always try to do things on the cheap, we keep repeating the same mistakes, it makes no sense?
It doesn't take a genius that this hasn't worked out, and structurally player wise we are set up wrong, when will Roland learn?
Unless he has a significant psychological event (chemically or traumatically) he won't learn anything. He doesn't believe there is anything for him to learn, he is above all that in his view. He has no emotional or spiritual investment in his sports experiment, just financial. Managers are components. In his view: they can be obtained, they have a specification, if they prove faulty they can be replaced, they have an operating life expectancy, they can be taken out of one unit and placed into another (ostensibly) similar unit. The same goes for players. We who have followed football for far longer know he's wrong but we have nothing to contribute, in his model we are mute, entertainment consumers. Apparently he aims to enhance the spectator experience but with virtually no knowledge or experience of his product, and zero appreciation of how crucial the onfield performance and our connection to that 'product' are. I'd be about as much use captaining a cruise ship: I've seen several, been on the bridge of a really big one, met some crew, I'm aware in outline of what the ships do but could I run one? Obviously not and I don't expect to be able to by looking it up in Cunard's brochure.
You'd be fine as long as you had a Belgian lawyer as your first mate, surely? ;-)
Arthur, I have no connection to this fella, he doesn't pull the club together, do I want to trek halfway up and down the country to support him, I think there's plenty of other things I'd rather be doing at the moment, sorry if that offends you, but it's the way it is.
Not offended. I was in your position under the last owner when I realized we didn't even know who he was. We had a faceless owner with a succession of inept managers and under investment in the squad. RD is nothing new from my point of view.
But sticking to the point, can you justify on what grounds, apart from mass hysteria, you think our current manager is "clearly out of his depth".
The previous owner before RD sacked Parky on day 2, appointed Powell (after first offering the job to Howe) and then kept the same Manager for as long as he owned the club so not sure what you mean by succession of inept managers.
OK, so your opinion of Dowie, Reed, Parky and Pardew, and our desperate, woeful, soul destroying descent into League 1 may be more positive than mine. A succession of, in my opinion and at the time they were with us, with our resources, managers who failed to produce attractive or winning football.
But it's OK, they were British and things were so much better than they are today. We had an owner (was he Belgian? Who knew at the time - he may as well have been) I didnt know, he certainly didnt come and meet the fans on demand, and his plans for my club never filtered down to me.
I reached the same breaking point as many say they have reached this season as we descended into an dreadful, misery marathon end to Powell's first season.
I want to go to Charlton to enjoy myself. Listening to the seemingly endless negativity during the stewardship of the managers listed above was just too much to justify a season ticket.
Point you're missing is that we weren't relegated under Jimenez etc. They didn't arrive until Dec 31st 2010.
Arthur, I have no connection to this fella, he doesn't pull the club together, do I want to trek halfway up and down the country to support him, I think there's plenty of other things I'd rather be doing at the moment, sorry if that offends you, but it's the way it is.
Not offended. I was in your position under the last owner when I realized we didn't even know who he was. We had a faceless owner with a succession of inept managers and under investment in the squad. RD is nothing new from my point of view.
But sticking to the point, can you justify on what grounds, apart from mass hysteria, you think our current manager is "clearly out of his depth".
The previous owner before RD sacked Parky on day 2, appointed Powell (after first offering the job to Howe) and then kept the same Manager for as long as he owned the club so not sure what you mean by succession of inept managers.
OK, so your opinion of Dowie, Reed, Parky and Pardew, and our desperate, woeful, soul destroying descent into League 1 may be more positive than mine. A succession of, in my opinion and at the time they were with us, with our resources, managers who failed to produce attractive or winning football.
But it's OK, they were British and things were so much better than they are today. We had an owner (was he Belgian? Who knew at the time - he may as well have been) I didnt know, he certainly didnt come and meet the fans on demand, and his plans for my club never filtered down to me.
I reached the same breaking point as many say they have reached this season as we descended into an dreadful, misery marathon end to Powell's first season.
I want to go to Charlton to enjoy myself. Listening to the seemingly endless negativity during the stewardship of the managers listed above was just too much to justify a season ticket.
You said the previous owner before RD went through a succession of inept managers when this is factually not correct. I had no positive opinion of the descent from Prem to League 1 but that occurred mainly under the Murray era (and a small time under Chappell)
Arthur, I have no connection to this fella, he doesn't pull the club together, do I want to trek halfway up and down the country to support him, I think there's plenty of other things I'd rather be doing at the moment, sorry if that offends you, but it's the way it is.
Not offended. I was in your position under the last owner when I realized we didn't even know who he was. We had a faceless owner with a succession of inept managers and under investment in the squad. RD is nothing new from my point of view.
But sticking to the point, can you justify on what grounds, apart from mass hysteria, you think our current manager is "clearly out of his depth".
The previous owner before RD sacked Parky on day 2, appointed Powell (after first offering the job to Howe) and then kept the same Manager for as long as he owned the club so not sure what you mean by succession of inept managers.
OK, so your opinion of Dowie, Reed, Parky and Pardew, and our desperate, woeful, soul destroying descent into League 1 may be more positive than mine. A succession of, in my opinion and at the time they were with us, with our resources, managers who failed to produce attractive or winning football.
But it's OK, they were British and things were so much better than they are today. We had an owner (was he Belgian? Who knew at the time - he may as well have been) I didnt know, he certainly didnt come and meet the fans on demand, and his plans for my club never filtered down to me.
I reached the same breaking point as many say they have reached this season as we descended into an dreadful, misery marathon end to Powell's first season.
I want to go to Charlton to enjoy myself. Listening to the seemingly endless negativity during the stewardship of the managers listed above was just too much to justify a season ticket.
You said the previous owner before RD went through a succession of inept managers when this is factually not correct. I had no positive opinion of the descent from Prem to League 1 but that occurred mainly under the Murray era (and a small time under Chappell)
Seems to me it's an issue of trust. Roland doesn't trust anyone else to spend his money. He thinks he's some sort of visionary genius like Alan Turing and doesn't trust anyone who won't sit down, shut up and do as they're told because he knows best.
Alan Turing knew bugger all about football though.
Seems to me it's an issue of trust. Roland doesn't trust anyone else to spend his money. He thinks he's some sort of visionary genius like Alan Turing and doesn't trust anyone who won't sit down, shut up and do as they're told because he knows best.
Alan Turing knew bugger all about football though.
Seems to me it's an issue of trust. Roland doesn't trust anyone else to spend his money. He thinks he's some sort of visionary genius like Alan Turing and doesn't trust anyone who won't sit down, shut up and do as they're told because he knows best.
Alan Turing knew bugger all about football though.
The "coach" doesn't spend any of Rolands money, he just writes out a big list of all the Lepoints that he wants, then Katrien picks out the cheapest one. Simples.
I think he is out of his depth and not really prepared to give him any more time, he just could not have been appointed on a proven track record or any qualification/experience.
I also think our CEO is out of their depth as well for similar reasons.
Sadly, aside from direct cash investments in the playing surface and the training ground plans,neither of which were achieved on the initiative of the CEO or interim coach, this club has not moved a step forward since we grimly trudged away from Bramnell Lane almost two years ago.
Gates are significantly down, morale on and off the pitch is significantly down and I would consider myself the most rose tinted of all spec wearers.
TBH I don't demand a change of owner but I would like a change of CEO or a huge sea change in their approach to the job, this supported by a sensible and strategic appointment on the coaching/managerial front
TBH I don't demand a change of owner but I would like a change of CEO or a huge sea change in their approach to the job, this supported by a sensible and strategic appointment on the coaching/managerial front
I would suggest that the only difference between you and the "Roland Out"ers is that you believe the "huge sea change" is believable under his stewardship and they don't. Unfortunately I'm in the latter camp.
That's fair enough mate, as I said, I wear rose tinted glasses most of the time but I am backing the B&W campaign as you say there is not a lot of difference between us
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But sticking to the point, can you justify on what grounds, apart from mass hysteria, you think our current manager is "clearly out of his depth".
The Pardew one the Reid one or the Parkinson one?
It looks like we've had our new manager bounce, and if JJ is out for a bit, the results are not going to be great, the whole thinks stinks of failure, I'm sorry if you've met Karel, and think he's a lovely bloke, he probably is, I just don't think he has the credentials to manage at this level, he is the cheap option.
Bolton at home is coming up, a must win game you'd say looking at our plight, and a game we should be winning looking at their abysmal record, this season, but given the fact we haven't performed against Rotherham, Preston, or MK Dons, I'm not convinced at the moment that we are going to beat Bolton.
I'm sorry if I don't share your enthusiasm for the club, but as the Fugees once sung, the song 'killing me softly' springs to mind.
When it takes an 18 year old lad to get off his arse, and bother to do something ( well done by the way Joe) you know the fans are apathetic towards the situation.
The players need a kick up the arse, I would have loved to have had Big Mick in our dugout yesterday, we wouldn't let the players hide, or get off the hook, he'd lay lay into them, get them fired up , rather than feeling sorry for themselves, and get them to put a shift in for their own pride and also the fans, so they are not taken as mugs, how can the player respect this fella for his previous achievements in the game?
If this does not tell people there is a problem I don't know what does.
We who have followed football for far longer know he's wrong but we have nothing to contribute, in his model we are mute, entertainment consumers. Apparently he aims to enhance the spectator experience but with virtually no knowledge or experience of his product, and zero appreciation of how crucial the onfield performance and our connection to that 'product' are.
I'd be about as much use captaining a cruise ship: I've seen several, been on the bridge of a really big one, met some crew, I'm aware in outline of what the ships do but could I run one? Obviously not and I don't expect to be able to by looking it up in Cunard's brochure.
A succession of, in my opinion and at the time they were with us, with our resources, managers who failed to produce attractive or winning football.
But it's OK, they were British and things were so much better than they are today.
We (edited then) had an owner (was he Belgian? Who knew at the time - he may as well have been) I didnt know, he certainly didnt come and meet the fans on demand, and his plans for my club never filtered down to me.
I reached the same breaking point as many say they have reached this season as we descended into an dreadful, misery marathon end to Powell's first season.
I want to go to Charlton to enjoy myself. Listening to the seemingly endless negativity during the stewardship of the managers listed above was just too much to justify a season ticket.
;-)
Alan Turing knew bugger all about football though.
I also think our CEO is out of their depth as well for similar reasons.
Sadly, aside from direct cash investments in the playing surface and the training ground plans,neither of which were achieved on the initiative of the CEO or interim coach, this club has not moved a step forward since we grimly trudged away from Bramnell Lane almost two years ago.
Gates are significantly down, morale on and off the pitch is significantly down and I would consider myself the most rose tinted of all spec wearers.
TBH I don't demand a change of owner but I would like a change of CEO or a huge sea change in their approach to the job, this supported by a sensible and strategic appointment on the coaching/managerial front