Formula 1 Thread

Rothko

Stop feeding the troll. 

Scratchingvalleycat

At the start of the race  Lewis had to avoid a collision with Max, who forced the racing line. The Stewards decided, within the terms of the rule book, that Max did not leave  Lewis room, a rule that Max does not believe applies to him. At the end of the race the Race Director decided to ignore the rules and give Max the advantage. Totally different situation.  
Max is world champion but that should be the last race that Michael Massi is allowed to officiate since his decision, not the rule book, decided the outcome of the championship. 

North Lower Neil

bobmunro said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Lordflashheart said:

Nothing in here about the Clerk of the Course CHOOSING which lapped cars will un lap themselves - it’s either all or none

Whats the betting the Yanks who own F1 now engineered this

Yes, he bent the rules but that's what dodgy refs do. He would say that he allowed them to race safely. The procedures/rules seem to be meaningless to the bloke but he is effectively the ref. We could say the push on Dobson for Shrewsbury's winner was incredibly poor reffing but even though it was clearly wrong, the game is lost on that.

Can a ref give a penalty for a hand ball in the centre circle?

Yes, technically.

Obviously he'd be rightly fired afterwards....

bobmunro

seth plum said:

bobmunro said:

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

What a crock of shit. 

I disagree.
Verstappen changed tyres when Hamilton didn’t.

I was referring to you, not Verstappen.

seth plum

ValleyGary said:

seth plum said:

ValleyGary said:

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

Seriously, ‘ultra Nationalists’.

You need help.

There are some ultra nationalists around aren’t there?
Even if they don’t occupy these boards.
Why would using that term lead to you judging that I need help?

Ohhh look at me, look at me.

Youre a wrongen.

Rubbish.

lordromford

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

This wasn’t about bravery. Mercedes taking a pitstop would’ve made zero sense. On both occasions.
And on the second occasion it would’ve made less than zero sense (🤔) because Verstappen had relatively fresh tires and, even if you could’ve foreseen that unfathomable decision by Masi, fresh softs probably wouldn’t have beaten semi-fresh hards over 1 lap. 

seth plum

ForeverAddickted said:

seth plum said:

ValleyGary said:

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

Seriously, ‘ultra Nationalists’.

You need help.

There are some ultra nationalists around aren’t there?
Even if they don’t occupy these boards.
Why would using that term lead to you judging that I need help?

Shut up!! - Always got to be the attention seeker

I have not been any more of an attention seeker than anybody else who posts here.

ForeverAddickted

With regard to the backmarkers I wonder if there were any other battles going on beyond Verstappen / Hamilton for minor places

e.g. Imagine if Alpine needed a point to finish ahead of Aston Martin in the WCC (more funding etc.), yet wouldnt have had the opportunity because a backmarker didnt need to get out the way for them.

SoundAsa£

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

What a twat you are.

sam3110

Some contentious moments all season between both drivers and teams

Silverstone - The crash that took Max out and started the "blood died"

Monza - The crash that took both drivers out

Sao Paulo - the engine change that Mercedes took for the sprint race, effectively nullifying any major disadvantage in the main race

The over-zealous defending by Max

Jeddah - the utterly mental scenes including several incidents between the two culminating in Max trying to let Lewis through, them crashing into eachother, before more shenanigans afterwards

Abu Dhabi - the lap 1 incident seemingly going against Red Bull for a change, then the farcical scenes in the final safety car laps

seth plum

SoundAsa£ said:

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

What a twat you are.

So you are calling me a twat for saying that Hamilton could’ve changed his tyres earlier?

ForeverAddickted

seth plum said:

ForeverAddickted said:

seth plum said:

ValleyGary said:

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

Seriously, ‘ultra Nationalists’.

You need help.

There are some ultra nationalists around aren’t there?
Even if they don’t occupy these boards.
Why would using that term lead to you judging that I need help?

Shut up!! - Always got to be the attention seeker

I have not been any more of an attention seeker than anybody else who posts here.

Apart from your Ultra Nationalist bullshit

1StevieG

ForeverAddickted said:

1StevieG said:

don’t understand how Lewis wasn’t given a 12 second head start after the restart.

Why would he be? 

That’s the lead he had over Verstappen when the crash happened. I am not a big F1 fan so not aware of all the laws/rules whatever. 

ForeverAddickted

1StevieG said:

ForeverAddickted said:

1StevieG said:

don’t understand how Lewis wasn’t given a 12 second head start after the restart.

Why would he be? 

That’s the lead he had over Verstappen. 

Nah not how the Safety Car works - Its always been a get out of jail card for those in second yet are a big gap behind first place. Hamilton will have benefited the same way that Verstappen has done in the past.

The difference is that in the past, the backmarkers get back into position before the racing restarts - Only on this occasion, a handful were allowed to get out the way so the battle for first could happen, yet any other potential battles couldnt.

Indianaaddick

Cannot stomach having to listen to that pompous asshole Horner biggest crybaby in F1 

seth plum

ForeverAddickted said:

seth plum said:

ForeverAddickted said:

seth plum said:

ValleyGary said:

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

Seriously, ‘ultra Nationalists’.

You need help.

There are some ultra nationalists around aren’t there?
Even if they don’t occupy these boards.
Why would using that term lead to you judging that I need help?

Shut up!! - Always got to be the attention seeker

I have not been any more of an attention seeker than anybody else who posts here.

Apart from your Ultra Nationalist bullshit

Ah I get it now.
People don’t like me being mildly critical of nationalism in sport.
Mildly.
So that justifies a pile on.
Forgive me for misreading the culture here.

ValleyGary

1StevieG said:

ForeverAddickted said:

1StevieG said:

don’t understand how Lewis wasn’t given a 12 second head start after the restart.

Why would he be? 

That’s the lead he had over Verstappen when the crash happened. I am not a big F1 fan so not aware of all the laws/rules whatever. 

But that’s changing to rules again. 

Hamilton shit out of luck that a safety car was needed but Verstappen should have been 5 cars back when the race was restarted.

Redrobo

Lincsaddick said:

farce, fix or both ?  .. first time I have watched F1 for a loooong time and I won't bother for another long time. So, have I got this right,  Hamilton leads the race by a country mile, a crash brings out the 'safety car', the cars all bunch up, irrespective of the distance between them over the preceding 50+ laps, and then the race is (seemingly arbitrarily) restarted for a one lap 'sprint' to decide the whole season  ..
so why bother with the previous 50 odd laps, just have the two main protagonists behind a 'safety car' which then gets out the road and a one lap race decides it .. fucking rubbish, a waste of petrol, tyres, plastic, metal AND my time 

Have been watching the last few but won’t be bothering again. How one driver can come in and have his tyres changed and regain his position on the track but another driver can’t? He had gained an advantage anyway by changing tyres and then they clear the track for him to win it. Joke of a sport.

I hope they do appeal so the best car and driver on the day win the race.

ForeverAddickted

sam3110 said:

Some contentious moments all season between both drivers and teams

Silverstone - The crash that took Max out and started the "blood died"

Monza - The crash that took both drivers out

Sao Paulo - the engine change that Mercedes took for the sprint race, effectively nullifying any major disadvantage in the main race

The over-zealous defending by Max

Jeddah - the utterly mental scenes including several incidents between the two culminating in Max trying to let Lewis through, them crashing into eachother, before more shenanigans afterwards

Abu Dhabi - the lap 1 incident seemingly going against Red Bull for a change, then the farcical scenes in the final safety car laps

You could include the defending from Verstappen @ Imola and Spain

Squeezing out Hamilton at the first corner at those two venues was the catalyst behind Silverstone, because Max had got it in his head that he could stick his elbows out and that Hamilton would meekly concede the position.

DamoNorthStand

The Hamilton’s (father and son) have come out of this incredibly well. Lewis is at the tail end of his career and I would be perfectly happy if he called it a day now but he received genuine acknowledgment from the British public and the hate from some quarters stopped now. He can’t do anymore to prove his character than he has done today.

carly burn

Blimey. Some serious high emotion on here!

bobmunro

seth plum said:

SoundAsa£ said:

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

What a twat you are.

So you are calling me a twat for saying that Hamilton could’ve changed his tyres earlier?

Don’t be so fucking obtuse. You know very well why you are being called out as a twat.

So it’s being ultra nationalist for a Brit to want a Brit to win? 80,000 at Wembley cheering for England are all ultra nationalists. Or the Irish at Landsdowne Road, or the Chinese in Beijing? I get the impression you take every opportunity to knock anything British. 

The comments here are about rules and the decisions around those rules.

wmcf123

DamoNorthStand said:

The Hamilton’s (father and son) have come out of this incredibly well. Lewis is at the tail end of his career and I would be perfectly happy if he called it a day now but he received genuine acknowledgment from the British public and the hate from some quarters stopped now. He can’t do anymore to prove his character than he has done today.

This is undeniably true - he’s surprised me today with his generous approach to such a difficult and controversial defeat.  

ForeverAddickted

Mercedes have put in two protests...

Lincsaddick

Mercedes are appealing the result .. 

lordromford

seth plum said:

SoundAsa£ said:

seth plum said:

To me, admittedly ignorant of the finer points of the sport, the shenanigans at the start when Lewis Hamilton took a short cut was balanced out by the shenanigans at the end.
Max Verstappen is a worthy world champion because he was brave enough to visit Kwik fit when Hamilton stayed out on the track.
I like Hamilton and wanted him to win, but there is some compensation that the ultra nationalists are pissed off.

What a twat you are.

So you are calling me a twat for saying that Hamilton could’ve changed his tyres earlier?

I’m not getting into the name calling. But just to be clear, Mercedes couldn’t change his tyres. Track position meant Red Bull would’ve taken the lead and would’ve won. It would’ve been a strategically stupid move.

ForeverAddickted

Dont see the point, think they'll have to go to the Court of Arbitration for this to be decided

Exiled_Addick

Bottas let Hamilton down this weekend. He could, and should, have been within Verstappen’s pit window preventing Verstappen stopping for tyres or providing a buffer to Hamilton. Instead he was cruising around stuck behind midfield cars all afternoon. Contrast the job Pérez did holding Hamilton up. 

I’m not really sure what to make of it all. Certainly the way Massi has handled the last few races leaves an awful lot to be be desired. Disappointing outcome for a Hamilton fan, but it’s certainly been dramatic and entertaining. No. 8 will have to wait another year. 

Congratulations Verstappen. He’s a horrible prick but can’t say he’s hasn’t driven well enough to deserve to be a champion. 

bobmunro

wmcf123 said:

DamoNorthStand said:

The Hamilton’s (father and son) have come out of this incredibly well. Lewis is at the tail end of his career and I would be perfectly happy if he called it a day now but he received genuine acknowledgment from the British public and the hate from some quarters stopped now. He can’t do anymore to prove his character than he has done today.

This is undeniably true - he’s surprised me today with his generous approach to such a difficult and controversial defeat.  

He didn’t surprise me in the slightest. I said to my wife before he started speaking to Button that the first thing he would say is to congratulate Max - and in the background Hamilton senior was congratulating Max.

Chris_from_Sidcup

Regardless of what he said publicly (and full credit to him as he will have gained a lot of admirers) you can bet your life Hamilton would've been fucking raging off camera. Didn't he question during the race that it was a risk to not bring him in for new tyres?

As an aside though regarding the 'only letting 5 cars unlap themselves' fiasco whilst i understand the argument that it should've been all of them or none of them, why are people so angry about this? If they'd all done it then wouldn't we still have had a one lap race with Max on fresh tyres?