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Protests v Ipswich 28/11/15
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Thermos perhaps.waldo said:
Bottle?cafctom said:The walk out is the most effective that doesn't disrupt the game, by quite some way as well I think.
Banners and scarves probably won't be picked up, and even if they are they don't make that much of an impact. A walk out by three full stands would go viral - everyone would know about it.
But as I've said previously - I'm not convinced our fanbase has the bottle to do it.
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Think this is worth a bump, can't let a few decent results blind us to what's really wrong.22
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I was just wondering if this would be scrapped now. Couple of decent results, carol fry made permanent, maybe roly knows what he's doing after all etc. All rosy for a few months until we start losing, fry gets sacked and the cycle begins again.cafc_harry said:Think this is worth a bump, can't let a few decent results blind us to what's really wrong.
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All throw a snowball and a piece of coal on the pitch at the same time. It keeps the black and white theme going nicely.
I've got the feeling that the idea needs a bit of tuning though.1 -
The venom will most certainly be taken out of it. Needs to be more than a set of balloons, that's for sure.1
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so you think doing something stupid like tennis balls wouldn't lead to fines for the club or playing a home game behind closed doors.cafc_harry said:Think this is worth a bump, can't let a few decent results blind us to what's really wrong.
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Not in my name. Start supporting the bloody team.10
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Keep the protests outside the west stand 100 % support the team inside the ground16
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Bit of a Catch 22 now me thinks! 2 excellent wins that inherently spawn a rise in team confidence against (arguably?) the possibly perceived futile protests of the relative minority. Just bad timing maybe?0
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Charlton struggle to win in televised games.
Nothing less than full support for the team is needed.1 - Sponsored links:
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Protest out! Support in!
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I'm thinking ahead to the Derby County game. Won't it look wrong if we wear black and white scarves against them?0
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No. Just gives the protest more attention.thai malaysia addick said:I'm thinking ahead to the Derby County game. Won't it look wrong if we wear black and white scarves against them?
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The beauty of the Black and White is that fans can protest AND support the team at the same time.
I read on here that there were plenty wearing black and white scarves at Brum yesterday but the support for the team was still loud.
And since the CEO has mentioned the campaign it is clearly starting to work. Only starting but it's a marathon not a sprint, Brian.13 -
Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.4
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Don't get this?cafc_harry said:Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.
What are you planning to do then?
maybe I'm reading this wrong but you seem to be blaming others with "same old Charlton fans" but you have to make your own decisions and actions, not just wait on others.1 -
I thought I made it clear that the top of this that all I was doing was putting a thread where people could put their ideas on what could be done. I then stated an idea that I'd come across on Facebook, didn't endorse it or condemn it. However I think it took 1 or 2 comments for someone to throw it at me.Henry Irving said:
Don't get this?cafc_harry said:Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.
What are you planning to do then?
maybe I'm reading this wrong but you seem to be blaming others with "same old Charlton fans" but you have to make your own decisions and actions, not just wait on others.
As for 'same old Charlton fans' I think that most people at the protest against Wednesday had a feeling that a few wins and *most* would turn a blind eye again and to me it looks like it's happening now, we beat Ipswich, Fraeye gets the job and we end up 13th, all ready for it to start again next year.
The thing that I want fans to realise is that you can support the team and protest. As you can see from the Wednesday game, that was probably the best atmosphere we've had all season. BUT, is that really going to achieve anything? It took a lot more than a few songs and a banner to even remotely threaten Roland at Liege and as happy as I am for it to be a start, I just can't see people committing to anything more... Which may be needed.6 -
Despite the protest, there was full support for the team at the Sheff Wednesday game was there not?Crusty54 said:Charlton struggle to win in televised games.
Nothing less than full support for the team is needed.5 -
Or, we keep on winning and the impetus to protest is diluted.cafc_harry said:Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.
Like it or not I believe it is true to say that for a lot of our fans what happens on the pitch is of primary importance and how the owner runs the club is secondary.
Put simply if we are winning the running of the club is de facto fine, even if only superficially.
Put it another way - I am a season ticket holder, as is my son, my brother, my nephew, my niece and 3 of my cousins (one of whom is the father of a member of our first team squad!)
I can tell you with all certainty that I am the only that goes on football forums like Charlton Life and it tends to be me that brings the others up to speed about feelings on CL towards the ownership and the running of the club.
Taking my brother as an example, if the football gets too dire he just gives it a swerve for a while - he wouldn't dream of dwelling on the behaviour of the owner to the extent of participating on protests. He would consider it not an important enough part of his life to spend time and effort beyond attending or not on a Saturday.
(He has had a season ticket since @ 1984 inc Selhurst, Upton Park etc)
I am sure that is the case for many supporters.
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Fair enough but you are talking a lot about others and what they are or aren't doing.cafc_harry said:
I thought I made it clear that the top of this that all I was doing was putting a thread where people could put their ideas on what could be done. I then stated an idea that I'd come across on Facebook, didn't endorse it or condemn it. However I think it took 1 or 2 comments for someone to throw it at me.Henry Irving said:
Don't get this?cafc_harry said:Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.
What are you planning to do then?
maybe I'm reading this wrong but you seem to be blaming others with "same old Charlton fans" but you have to make your own decisions and actions, not just wait on others.
As for 'same old Charlton fans' I think that most people at the protest against Wednesday had a feeling that a few wins and *most* would turn a blind eye again and to me it looks like it's happening now, we beat Ipswich, Fraeye gets the job and we end up 13th, all ready for it to start again next year.
The thing that I want fans to realise is that you can support the team and protest. As you can see from the Wednesday game, that was probably the best atmosphere we've had all season. BUT, is that really going to achieve anything? It took a lot more than a few songs and a banner to even remotely threaten Roland at Liege and as happy as I am for it to be a start, I just can't see people committing to anything more... Which may be needed.
You think a lot more is needed but what?
What are you suggesting and what are YOU personally going to do?
Not digging you out but I read a lot about "we" should do this or that and "someone" should organise/start/arrange this, that or the other but not so much "I'm going to......"0 -
Clearly some care more than others.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
Or, we keep on winning and the impetus to protest is diluted.cafc_harry said:Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.
Like it or not I believe it is true to say that for a lot of our fans what happens on the pitch is of primary importance and how the owner runs the club is secondary.
Put simply if we are winning the running of the club is de facto fine, even if only superficially.
Put it another way - I am a season ticket holder, as is my son, my brother, my nephew, my niece and 3 of my cousins (one of whom is the father of a member of our first team squad!)
I can tell you with all certainty that I am the only that goes on football forums like Charlton Life and it tends to be me that brings the others up to speed about feelings on CL towards the ownership and the running of the club.
Taking my brother as an example, if the football gets too dire he just gives it a swerve for a while - he wouldn't dream of dwelling on the behaviour of the owner to the extent of participating on protests. He would consider it not an important enough part of his life to spend time and effort beyond attending or not on a Saturday.
(He has had a season ticket since @ 1984 inc Selhurst, Upton Park etc)
I am sure that is the case for many supporters.
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I have the leadership skills of a wet flannel. Believe me if I honestly felt like I would even have a chance of starting anything I would. Not to say that if I did think of anything I wouldn't try to put it forward, but sadly that doesn't really come to me that easily.Henry Irving said:
Fair enough but you are talking a lot about others and what they are or aren't doing.cafc_harry said:
I thought I made it clear that the top of this that all I was doing was putting a thread where people could put their ideas on what could be done. I then stated an idea that I'd come across on Facebook, didn't endorse it or condemn it. However I think it took 1 or 2 comments for someone to throw it at me.Henry Irving said:
Don't get this?cafc_harry said:Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.
What are you planning to do then?
maybe I'm reading this wrong but you seem to be blaming others with "same old Charlton fans" but you have to make your own decisions and actions, not just wait on others.
As for 'same old Charlton fans' I think that most people at the protest against Wednesday had a feeling that a few wins and *most* would turn a blind eye again and to me it looks like it's happening now, we beat Ipswich, Fraeye gets the job and we end up 13th, all ready for it to start again next year.
The thing that I want fans to realise is that you can support the team and protest. As you can see from the Wednesday game, that was probably the best atmosphere we've had all season. BUT, is that really going to achieve anything? It took a lot more than a few songs and a banner to even remotely threaten Roland at Liege and as happy as I am for it to be a start, I just can't see people committing to anything more... Which may be needed.
You think a lot more is needed but what?
What are you suggesting and what are YOU personally going to do?
Not digging you out but I read a lot about "we" should do this or that and "someone" should organise/start/arrange this, that or the other but not so much "I'm going to......"0 -
On the train back to London after the Birmingham game yesterday the Arsenal fans (who had been playing West Brom) thought we were Albion fans !2
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Or if everyone is honest, if the team were performing like the first set of fixtures no one would have protested anyway7
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Bet you had fun explaining that. Any publicity is good publicity,se9addick said:On the train back to London after the Birmingham game yesterday the Arsenal fans (who had been playing West Brom) thought we were Albion fans !
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If Roland was poor he'd be a beggar, I see where you're coming from but what's happened has happened, and I for one want to change it.nth london addick said:Or if everyone is honest, if the team were performing like the first set of fixtures no one would have protested anyway
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I'm afraid that is true, at every club. That's why when Swansea Supporters Trust saved the club from extinction, it had 3,000 members with average gates of 5,000. Now in the FAPL it has 800 members within sell out crowds of 20,000, despite membership giving you a share in the club itself.cafc_harry said:
Clearly some care more than others.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
Or, we keep on winning and the impetus to protest is diluted.cafc_harry said:Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.
Like it or not I believe it is true to say that for a lot of our fans what happens on the pitch is of primary importance and how the owner runs the club is secondary.
Put simply if we are winning the running of the club is de facto fine, even if only superficially.
Put it another way - I am a season ticket holder, as is my son, my brother, my nephew, my niece and 3 of my cousins (one of whom is the father of a member of our first team squad!)
I can tell you with all certainty that I am the only that goes on football forums like Charlton Life and it tends to be me that brings the others up to speed about feelings on CL towards the ownership and the running of the club.
Taking my brother as an example, if the football gets too dire he just gives it a swerve for a while - he wouldn't dream of dwelling on the behaviour of the owner to the extent of participating on protests. He would consider it not an important enough part of his life to spend time and effort beyond attending or not on a Saturday.
(He has had a season ticket since @ 1984 inc Selhurst, Upton Park etc)
I am sure that is the case for many supporters.
This phenomenon also generally applies in Germany. Nearly all clubs are 'owned' by the fans but a small minority bother to be members.
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Which is good for you, I doubt that your alone in that thought however football fans on a whole moan and protest when the football on the pitch is shit, kf will get the gig it can be based on results and performance plus feeling in the changing room improveing until the next loss enthusiasm will wain its too be expected and isnt cafc specific0
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Very much so.cafc_harry said:
Clearly some care more than others.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
Or, we keep on winning and the impetus to protest is diluted.cafc_harry said:Just what everyone was afraid of, same old Charlton fans. This is why we won't accomplish anything. See you this time next year.
Like it or not I believe it is true to say that for a lot of our fans what happens on the pitch is of primary importance and how the owner runs the club is secondary.
Put simply if we are winning the running of the club is de facto fine, even if only superficially.
Put it another way - I am a season ticket holder, as is my son, my brother, my nephew, my niece and 3 of my cousins (one of whom is the father of a member of our first team squad!)
I can tell you with all certainty that I am the only that goes on football forums like Charlton Life and it tends to be me that brings the others up to speed about feelings on CL towards the ownership and the running of the club.
Taking my brother as an example, if the football gets too dire he just gives it a swerve for a while - he wouldn't dream of dwelling on the behaviour of the owner to the extent of participating on protests. He would consider it not an important enough part of his life to spend time and effort beyond attending or not on a Saturday.
(He has had a season ticket since @ 1984 inc Selhurst, Upton Park etc)
I am sure that is the case for many supporters.
It will be interesting to see what is the level of protest at Ipswich and how it is sustained if we continue to win games.0
