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Not when you take out the loans at other clubs, the with little or no experience or the injured.dickplumb said:Let us get away from the idea that it is a small squad. It is a fairly large squad but it is lacking in quality and Championship experience.
Henderson,Dmitrovic, Pope,Mitov,
Fanni, Solly,Obileye, Thomas,<<del>u>Baeur
Gudmundsson, Ba, Jackson, Poyet, Cousins,Charles- Cook, Harriott,Muldoon,Bergdich,Kashi,Sho - Silva, Pigott,Tucudean,Watt,Vetokele, Makienok, Lookman, Reza, Sanogo.
That is thirty four players.
Then take away the players who only just joined and aren't fit (RF and Sonogo) or deemed not good enough by Riga (RJ and DP)
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Not enough for a match day squad.Henry Irving said:
Not when you take out the loans at other clubs, the with little or no experience or the injured.dickplumb said:Let us get away from the idea that it is a small squad. It is a fairly large squad but it is lacking in quality and Championship experience.
Henderson,Dmitrovic, Pope,Mitov,
Fanni, Solly,Obileye, Thomas,<<del>u>Baeur
Gudmundsson, Ba, Jackson, Poyet, Cousins,Charles- Cook, Harriott,Muldoon,Bergdich,Kashi,Sho - Silva, Pigott,Tucudean,Watt,Vetokele, Makienok, Lookman, Reza, Sanogo.
That is thirty four players.
Then take away the players who only just joined and aren't fit (RF and Sonogo) or deemed not good enough by Riga (RJ and DP)
How many left?
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If that it the case it is just incompetence by all concerned. Even something as basic as the timing/structure/pricing of the season ticket renewal process is totally reliant upon which league a club is going to be playing in. Shocking.Henry Irving said:
That they don't even have contingency plans for relegation is staggering. I heard yesterday that they really don't have plans, not that he is just saying that to avoid the "he thinks we're going down" retorts.
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Duchatelet shows a complete lack of understanding and analysis of what is going wrong at the club. It is going to be an empty stadium in League One, for which shockingly there is no preparation or understanding of how that may affect the business.
He is like King Canute who thinks he plant his chair in front of the incoming tide and command the waters to stop. Just because he commands it the world will look the way it does in his head. Unfortunately, the result he does not appear to take the threat seriously to adjust the squad or invest sufficiently to prevent it happening.
Duchatelet's ownership is abysmal.7 -
How long is Meire going to peddle this 'I didn't say that', 'it was out of context', 'it was a poor translation' bullshit? Fact is she carries an underlying resentment of the fanbase and she can't help the fact that this will come to the surface at her various media junkets. Starting off by backing her, RD losses all credibility before he begins.
As for the 'we are all fans'. No, no we're not Roly. We're fans. The people who were here before you and will be here when you've gone. The people who understand what the point of a f*cking football club is. The people who aren't being paid to turn up. The people who actually bother to attend games at The Valley.
You and Meire - definitely not fans. An eccentric absentee owner hellbent on proving his philosophy is correct and a hapless, inexperienced CEO with a superiority complex, yes. Fans. No.
Murray, well there's a fan in there somewhere, shame he lost his marbles when he was misplacing his loyalty though.35 -
What a load of crap.
He is so arrogant he does not even though what we are unhappy about and tries to say its because we are bottom, its more than that you complete scum bag.1 -
"Not planning for relegation" !!!
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He was going to appoint the Upjest guy as our manager just a few weeks ago. Saying he learns from mistakes is simply not born out by the facts of his tenure at the club.21
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Yep the arrogant scum bag was actually saying there is we put money in so have more of a right than you to support this club and not to be questioned.Weegie Addick said:"Richard Murray is the ultimate fan because he also put money where his heart and his mouth was"
Nice slap in the face there for Seb, Jean and everyone else who spends their hard - earned cash on this club.
CAFC 'only millionaire fans wanted" (unless you are a potential takeover/ investor...as then we don't want you either)
Also his remark about you dont know what is going on behind the scenes but I do so shut up.0 -
Just some brief thoughts
“We are not spending time on planning for relegation. That’s not something we want to do.
Not clever. We are very likely to go down. Not good to hear that they aren't planning for it yet, like everything else their response will be reactionary
And the second part of it is the lessons learned
Have they. What lessons have they learned. We've continually hired and fired managers not up to it and brought players in not up to it.
“We have sometimes made the same mistakes again
Sometimes?
The main point here is that we don’t have enough leeway to cope with our mistakes. Other clubs have much bigger squads and even if they make the same mistakes as we do, they still can cope because of that.
Because you don't know what you're doing. You've done this on the cheap and it's come back to bite you. You've just demonstrated why it is important to have a big squad, but quality as well. He's just said other teams can cope better. Great
One to give enough chances to the academy players
Nope, not buying this at all. His mismangement has crippled our academy and the over reliance on it. Loads of youngsters nowhere near ready thrust in week in week out
“It’s better to have your work in order at the beginning of the season rather than to rely on loans.”
Yes I agree, shame we haven't done that.
Just some initial thoughts. Load of crap from him IMO14 -
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He appoints coaches purely on their work in the past with young players. Not on success, ability or suitability to manage a Championship side.
He pretty much pins Gent's success on Karel's previous work for their academy.1 -
I want to know what he meant by this..
“I have a lot of empathy for what they feel. Certainly now in this situation we are in, it’s very normal that they feel unhappy. For them it is more difficult for them to detect what the reasons are than me, they don’t know all the information that I have about what is going wrong - what led to this kind of situation.15 -
What a thoroughly depressing read.
Ramp up the protests and make their position untenable.0 -
What an arrogant little shit this man is. Do the decent thing you tosser and sell up.
This is all coming from a bloke that doesn't even attend games and leave it for a woman to take the flak. Save your breath and fuck off back to where you came from.
Yet people will still continue not to protest and to even defend Roly and his cronies (Murray included) and plod along links all is rosy in the garden.
They are so arrogant in their efforts to placate the fans, they don't realise everything they say just fuels the fire.
Give up Roly it's a fight that in the end you won't win.4 -
Well congrats to the SLP for getting the scoop, and well done to them for publishing all that. He might have tried a little contrition to get people on board, but the bottom line is that didn't give one single thing that suggests a change in tack. Frankly, to not be planning for League 1 now is perhaps the most stupid thing he's (n)ever done. That's where we're heading, Roly. You've done nothing to stop it and now you're shutting your eyes and pretending it's not happening. A bit like how you've treated the fans' unrest for months on end. Pathetic!
Frankly the best thing in those reports was this picture:
He looks really haunted. A man who's bitten off more than he can chew. He is a failure and he seemingly has no answers but to whistle in the dark hoping for a change of fortune. Well Roly, expect things to get worse, because there's nothing you've said there that will make those ghosts go away.28 -
I am started to think he has been planning for relegation since Jan 2014.buckshee said:"Not planning for relegation" !!!
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Duchatelet does look terrible in that picture and not happy to be at the Valley. Lets hope this is the picture that indicates that he will sell.Stig said:Well congrats to the SLP for getting the scoop, and well done to them for publishing all that. He might have tried a little contrition to get people on board, but the bottom line is that didn't give one single thing that suggests a change in tack. Frankly, to not be planning for League 1 now is perhaps the most stupid thing he's (n)ever done. That's where we're heading, Roly. You've done nothing to stop it and now you're shutting your eyes and pretending it's not happening. A bit like how you've treaded the fans' unrest for months on end. Pathetic!
Frankly the best thing in those reports was this picture:
He looks really haunted. A man who's bitten off more than he can chew. He is a failure and he seemingly has no answers but to whistle in the dark hoping for a change of fortune. Well Roly, expect things to get worse, because there's nothing you've said there that will make those ghosts go away.8 -
Very true, and I wasn't really criticising Cawley, it was just general surprise. I think Rich and his team have done us a good service with all their recent coverage.Redmidland said:
To be fair to Cawley, I think the rest of the interview comes out on Tuesday next week, perhaps he asked him in that piece?WestCountryAddick said:No mention at all of the managerial appointments. I'm surprised Cawley didn't ask him about this because it has been the successive failures to appoint someone decent, that is a large part of our issue.
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http://www.southlondonpress.co.uk/article.cfm?id=116106&headline=Exclusive: Any head coach at Charlton Athletic will have to embrace Roland Duchatelet's philosophy on giving youth a big chance&sectionIs=sport&searchyear=2016
"Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet says he wants to buy more British-based players as part of a recruitment rethink - but has vowed that any head coach must subscribe to promoting academy players."0 -
At least the new Head of Comms has managed to get the guy to speak... shame it's spouting the same trite garbage as his stooges have done.
Plenty of managers in the UK willing to give youth a chance... except they realise that you can't play the whole youth team as you will lose and you need a squad of experienced older players to help them along.2 -
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“Karel Fraeye has been the academy manager of Gent, who became champions last season in Belgium. He also very good knowledge of working with young players and was willing to do so. He brought in players that other coaches would never have done, I think, and successfully.”
I don't know where to begin on that one.17 -
"Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet says he wants to buy more British-based players as part of a recruitment rethink - but has vowed that any head coach must subscribe to promoting academy players."
So he can sell them.3 -
I agree with looking to the acadmey and giving younsters a chance if they are good enough is key though.Henry Irving said:http://www.southlondonpress.co.uk/article.cfm?id=116106&headline=Exclusive: Any head coach at Charlton Athletic will have to embrace Roland Duchatelet's philosophy on giving youth a big chance&sectionIs=sport&searchyear=2016
"Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet says he wants to buy more British-based players as part of a recruitment rethink - but has vowed that any head coach must subscribe to promoting academy players."
Another point if you want a coach who will bring the young players through why not come over interview a few young British Mangers who have a proven records of bringing the youth through and being successful with it in British Football?
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Because their salary will be beyond what Roland wants to pay.roseandcrown said:
I agree with looking to the acadmey and giving younsters a chance if they are good enough is key though.Henry Irving said:http://www.southlondonpress.co.uk/article.cfm?id=116106&headline=Exclusive: Any head coach at Charlton Athletic will have to embrace Roland Duchatelet's philosophy on giving youth a big chance&sectionIs=sport&searchyear=2016
"Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet says he wants to buy more British-based players as part of a recruitment rethink - but has vowed that any head coach must subscribe to promoting academy players."
Another point if you want a coach who will bring the young players through why not come over interview a few young British Mangers who have a proven records of bringing the youth through and being successful with it in British Football?0 -
It doesn't get any better does it?0
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Agree and they will not be told who to play as well.Rob62 said:
Because their salary will be beyond what Roland wants to pay.roseandcrown said:
I agree with looking to the acadmey and giving younsters a chance if they are good enough is key though.Henry Irving said:http://www.southlondonpress.co.uk/article.cfm?id=116106&headline=Exclusive: Any head coach at Charlton Athletic will have to embrace Roland Duchatelet's philosophy on giving youth a big chance&sectionIs=sport&searchyear=2016
"Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet says he wants to buy more British-based players as part of a recruitment rethink - but has vowed that any head coach must subscribe to promoting academy players."
Another point if you want a coach who will bring the young players through why not come over interview a few young British Mangers who have a proven records of bringing the youth through and being successful with it in British Football?0 -
What a load of bollocks.Henry Irving said:http://www.southlondonpress.co.uk/article.cfm?id=116106&headline=Exclusive: Any head coach at Charlton Athletic will have to embrace Roland Duchatelet's philosophy on giving youth a big chance&sectionIs=sport&searchyear=2016
"Charlton owner Roland Duchatelet says he wants to buy more British-based players as part of a recruitment rethink - but has vowed that any head coach must subscribe to promoting academy players."
The problem is not the concept of getting the best from the Academy, but the execution of it. As others have said here countless times. But he will not listen to anyone with football experience on this or anything else. That is the problem with him. The arrogance of someone who thinks he understands both the business of football and the way it works in sporting terms, simply because he is rich enough to buy into it.
I ask again, would he consider KM to be CEO material for Melexis? Would he promote someone young who had run a small factory in Thuringia to be Global head of Production across all his manufacturing units? Of course he bloody wouldn't.
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Roland is talking rubbish.
This interview is infuriating.
As we know he has to go.
KM has to go.
This interview only underlines that RD, KM and RM must all go. Now.
We could pick apart his words but it's not worth it because his words are not worth a thing.
Biggest protest yet on Saturday!!! Let's let them know this is only the beginning and if they think they can ride out the protests they are totally mistaken.6 -
So far from these interviews, the overriding emotion for me is frustration. There's a lot of recognition that there are issues, but no recognition of what the issues are. No recognition of what the solutions are. it is patronising to supporters, just as the early interviews with KM were. So nothing has changed, in 2 years.
Reading between the lines this looks like a company trying to institute a change programme. Attempting to improve productivity by organisational change, but what they say they recognise is that football is 'weird', yet don't recognise the internal institutional changes are heavily weighted on the playing side. Nothing in the interview so far indicates they recognise this. Football is weird as a business, fans are weird as customers and they're right to recognise this (very wrong to enunciate it, of course) but to do nothing is negligent. It's not industry, so his experience and success there counts for nothing.
Strong, experienced management. A realistic, albeit concrete budget and a set of announced goals moves this club into 'normal' football club territory. How difficult is that to announce in one of these set pieces? Their distrust/disrespect of the fans drives our distrust/disrespect of them. Shame.5 -
Oh dear, RD has made it worse. He is not remorseful. He says KM is doing a good job, when her errors etc pile up.
Players are not good enough, managers/coaches not capable in Championship- we all know it- but RD says all is ok.
I now feel a bit desperate, he is so disillusioned or mad, I do not know where we go next( apart from down)
Protests appear not to effect him.
He could say all nice things and " promote " KM inside his network, at least save face but recognise she is not a football CEO, but no he leaves her at the club. She has nil confidence from the fans.
Very depressing I see no solution.1
