So you have the Jimmy Stone thing, the Karel Fraeye thing, and the Katrien thing where she implied that what we're about is growing players for the Premier League.
Oh, and we also have actual results.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like but I believe that the combination of those things adds up to Roland not caring about results.
He said he wants to make us 'nice', not successful.
This - If it looks like a turd and it smells like a turd, guess what it generally is?
Dinner, if I've been cooking it; or maybe a traditional Greek sweet offered to officials from the ECB?
Ties in with what he said in his recent interview about wanting us to be one of the nicest clubs in London, where friends could go and meet and have a good time and watch young players. Nothing about ambitions.
I'm sure he said it in his first filmed interview after taking over. I don't know how to find it though.
My recollection is the same. Sure I remember him saying it on film. I thought he was making the point that he would be patient but thought he said he wasn't like other owners because he didn't care whether we won, lost or drew. It looks a lot worse with hindsight because it's apparent he literally doesn't care and he is actually a c***.
Didn't KM say in her Dublin interview something along the lines of "it doesn't matter what league we are in, it doesn't even matter if we win, or not"?
Didn't KM say in her Dublin interview something along the lines of "it doesn't matter what league we are in, it doesn't even matter if we win, or not"?
I don't recall her saying that in the interview and assume if she did say something that directly stupid then the press would be all over it quoting it specifically X1000
Look you disbelievers a number of us can remember RD saying it very early on but there is no way we can prove it, so why not take our words for it - OK?
Look you disbelievers a number of us can remember RD saying it very early on but there is no way we can prove it, so why not take our words for it - OK?
I think people believe it they just want the direct source of evidence so it can be used against the regime in this almost giant case file build up to get rid of RD.
I may be wrong, but I think that the comments were in the '1905' Fulham Preview Show from 23 October 2014 https://youtube.com/watch?v=jGe1OTJZe28; it's a c43 minutes.... (in the second part of a three part interview).
"I'm not so demanding... I'm happy that we play good football.... If the results are not there OK, that's a pity.... We don't demand success.... [Bob Peeters] is aware he has a bunch of very good young players, and that's also important... He will try to do his best with whatever players he gets, huh, huh, eh... And I think, also, young players are quite good..."
Also, for those of you wishing to experience a feeling of deja vu, you can hear him discuss the problem of having too many players in the third part, on the hour. It's a thrill, it really is.
I may be wrong, but I think that the comments were in the '1905' Fulham Preview Show from 23 October 2014 https://youtube.com/watch?v=jGe1OTJZe28; it's a c43 minutes.... (in the second part of a three part interview).
"I'm not so demanding... I'm happy that we play good football.... If the results are not there OK, that's a pity.... We don't demand success.... [Bob Peeters] is aware he has a bunch of very good young players, and that's also important... He will try to do his best with whatever players he gets, huh, huh, eh... And I think, also, young players are quite good..."
Also, for those of you wishing to experience a feeling of deja vu, you can hear him discuss the problem of having too many players in the third part, on the hour. It's a thrill, it really is.
That link's not working. Do you have another please ?
Look you disbelievers a number of us can remember RD saying it very early on but there is no way we can prove it, so why not take our words for it - OK?
That's what people who say they've seen aliens/ghosts/believe in God say.
If you want to convince the skeptics, you need to present the evidence.
Evidence or not seems to be true, why else appoint Peeters,Fraye and Riga none have a Scooby do.Luzon did have a little bit about him but was found out in the end
Evidence or not, it doesn't change the fact that these people are in the wrong business. (And owning five or six clubs across the European continent doesn't necessarily mean they know anything about how to properly run a football club.)
Unless you're writing a piece for a newspaper, putting it into print or something similar (which probably is what the OP is doing I suppose?), I don't see the point of 'studying' what they have said or haven't said, whether Jimmy Stone exaggerated their remarks, etc. It's not worth your time.
So you have the Jimmy Stone thing, the Karel Fraeye thing, and the Katrien thing where she implied that what we're about is growing players for the Premier League.
Oh, and we also have actual results.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like but I believe that the combination of those things adds up to Roland not caring about results.
He said he wants to make us 'nice', not successful.
This - If it looks like a turd and it smells like a turd, guess what it generally is?
I have never met Jimmy Stone and wouldn't know him if I fell over him in the street. But if it came to being his word against anyone's from the regime, I know who I'd believe.
That said, if I was to tell anyone that that's what Two Shats said, I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I knew I could back it up.
Fraeye said it for him in a post match, can't remember the exact game, but the comment was along the lines of "lets not make Charlton into a team who has to go clubs and win"
"Let’s not make Charlton now into a team who are going everywhere and must win and must be better than the home side,” he said. Expectancy should be kept in check. That is the actual quote that Louis reported and you can interpret and examine these words I suppose in any way one thinks to suit one's own prejudices/opinions. No doubt I will be accused as biased towards KF but I took this quote at the time to be an honest one saying that Charlton should not be expected to win every match and one should not expect them to, which is obvious really and said to a reporter after a defeat in his second language. What RD said in the initial filmed interviews does give further proof however that winning is not as important as other 'stuff'........
Fraeye said it for him in a post match, can't remember the exact game, but the comment was along the lines of "lets not make Charlton into a team who has to go clubs and win"
"Let’s not make Charlton now into a team who are going everywhere and must win and must be better than the home side,” he said. Expectancy should be kept in check. That is the actual quote that Louis reported and you can interpret and examine these words I suppose in any way one thinks to suit one's own prejudices/opinions. No doubt I will be accused as biased towards KF but I took this quote at the time to be an honest one saying that Charlton should not be expected to win every match and one should not expect them to, which is obvious really and said to a reporter after a defeat in his second language. What RD said in the initial filmed interviews does give further proof however that winning is not as important as other 'stuff'........
Nobody could accuse you of bias to Carol, I'm sure of that
I spent a bit of time going through club videos yesterday and, quite possibly, the second most depressing thing (other than having to listen to a Belgian pensioner's Beavis and Butthead impersonation) was to hear how they had come out with exactly the same lines about what was needed and what they would do to make the club competitive, time and time again...
And, in the October 2014 interview, The Shareholder was asked what had surprised him about Bob Peeters, with the response being that Peeters was more emotional than he'd expected.... Which I take to mean (because it suits my anti-RD world view) was Bob telling him that his plans were shite, his football philosophy was shite, players a bit iffy, and that the squad needed to be stronger. Mind you, I could be wrong, though never quite as wrong as Roland....
Fraeye said it for him in a post match, can't remember the exact game, but the comment was along the lines of "lets not make Charlton into a team who has to go clubs and win"
"Let’s not make Charlton now into a team who are going everywhere and must win and must be better than the home side,” he said. Expectancy should be kept in check. That is the actual quote that Louis reported and you can interpret and examine these words I suppose in any way one thinks to suit one's own prejudices/opinions. No doubt I will be accused as biased towards KF but I took this quote at the time to be an honest one saying that Charlton should not be expected to win every match and one should not expect them to, which is obvious really and said to a reporter after a defeat in his second language. What RD said in the initial filmed interviews does give further proof however that winning is not as important as other 'stuff'........
Evidence or not, it doesn't change the fact that these people are in the wrong business. (And owning five or six clubs across the European continent doesn't necessarily mean they know anything about how to properly run a football club.)
Unless you're writing a piece for a newspaper, putting it into print or something similar (which probably is what the OP is doing I suppose?), I don't see the point of 'studying' what they have said or haven't said, whether Jimmy Stone exaggerated their remarks, etc. It's not worth your time.
Evidence or not, it doesn't change the fact that these people are in the wrong business. (And owning five or six clubs across the European continent doesn't necessarily mean they know anything about how to properly run a football club.)
Unless you're writing a piece for a newspaper, putting it into print or something similar (which probably is what the OP is doing I suppose?), I don't see the point of 'studying' what they have said or haven't said, whether Jimmy Stone exaggerated their remarks, etc. It's not worth your time.
I have my reasons
Just a thought, @skywalker might be able to tell you if he'd made such comments in the Belgian media.
Fraeye said it for him in a post match, can't remember the exact game, but the comment was along the lines of "lets not make Charlton into a team who has to go clubs and win"
"Let’s not make Charlton now into a team who are going everywhere and must win and must be better than the home side,” he said. Expectancy should be kept in check. That is the actual quote that Louis reported and you can interpret and examine these words I suppose in any way one thinks to suit one's own prejudices/opinions. No doubt I will be accused as biased towards KF but I took this quote at the time to be an honest one saying that Charlton should not be expected to win every match and one should not expect them to, which is obvious really and said to a reporter after a defeat in his second language. What RD said in the initial filmed interviews does give further proof however that winning is not as important as other 'stuff'........
Even if you accept the Fraeye sentiment I would say that each season, if you don't intend to go for promotion, then you'll almost inevitably battle relegation, as this season is proving. Complacency is tantamount to surrender in football.
Fraeye said it for him in a post match, can't remember the exact game, but the comment was along the lines of "lets not make Charlton into a team who has to go clubs and win"
"Let’s not make Charlton now into a team who are going everywhere and must win and must be better than the home side,” he said. Expectancy should be kept in check. That is the actual quote that Louis reported and you can interpret and examine these words I suppose in any way one thinks to suit one's own prejudices/opinions. No doubt I will be accused as biased towards KF but I took this quote at the time to be an honest one saying that Charlton should not be expected to win every match and one should not expect them to, which is obvious really and said to a reporter after a defeat in his second language. What RD said in the initial filmed interviews does give further proof however that winning is not as important as other 'stuff'........
Even if you accept the Fraeye sentiment I would say that each season, if you don't intend to go for promotion, then you'll almost inevitably battle relegation, as this season is proving. Complacency is tantamount to surrender in football.
I agree with you entirely Seth but I honestly do not think that this was what KF was saying or he was being complacent. Off the cuff remarks from a post match coach/manager is not to be taken too literally in my opinion. Elsewhere, typical 'funny' replies that I am Karel from the usual suspects....... that I cannot be arsed to respond too.
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No, I give up...
I may be wrong, but I think that the comments were in the '1905' Fulham Preview Show from 23 October 2014 https://youtube.com/watch?v=jGe1OTJZe28; it's a c43 minutes.... (in the second part of a three part interview).
"I'm not so demanding... I'm happy that we play good football.... If the results are not there OK, that's a pity.... We don't demand success.... [Bob Peeters] is aware he has a bunch of very good young players, and that's also important... He will try to do his best with whatever players he gets, huh, huh, eh... And I think, also, young players are quite good..."
Also, for those of you wishing to experience a feeling of deja vu, you can hear him discuss the problem of having too many players in the third part, on the hour. It's a thrill, it really is.
If you want to convince the skeptics, you need to present the evidence.
I'm aware of Stone mentioning it on Twitter, but I'm also fairly confident there is a Roland original soundbite too.
Evidence or not, it doesn't change the fact that these people are in the wrong business. (And owning five or six clubs across the European continent doesn't necessarily mean they know anything about how to properly run a football club.)
Unless you're writing a piece for a newspaper, putting it into print or something similar (which probably is what the OP is doing I suppose?), I don't see the point of 'studying' what they have said or haven't said, whether Jimmy Stone exaggerated their remarks, etc. It's not worth your time.
That said, if I was to tell anyone that that's what Two Shats said, I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I knew I could back it up.
That is the actual quote that Louis reported and you can interpret and examine these words I suppose in any way one thinks to suit one's own prejudices/opinions.
No doubt I will be accused as biased towards KF but I took this quote at the time to be an honest one saying that Charlton should not be expected to win every match and one should not expect them to, which is obvious really and said to a reporter after a defeat in his second language. What RD said in the initial filmed interviews does give further proof however that winning is not as important as other 'stuff'........
And, in the October 2014 interview, The Shareholder was asked what had surprised him about Bob Peeters, with the response being that Peeters was more emotional than he'd expected.... Which I take to mean (because it suits my anti-RD world view) was Bob telling him that his plans were shite, his football philosophy was shite, players a bit iffy, and that the squad needed to be stronger. Mind you, I could be wrong, though never quite as wrong as Roland....
Complacency is tantamount to surrender in football.
Elsewhere, typical 'funny' replies that I am Karel from the usual suspects....... that I cannot be arsed to respond too.