Can we consider the protests a success even if the owner remains?
Instead of the stupid loans we made under Fraeye – Riga has made the right signings. Too late – the damage has been done some would say, but there are fine lines sometimes between success and failure and if we can prevent the craziness the club will be better for it. Who knows? Whilst still highly unlikely, our interventions could still keep us up – as whilst we may not have the best manager possible, we probably have the best manager we can expect under Duchatelet. And that is probably thanks to us!
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he wont remain!
Apparently he said last week that he thinks he will have to sell Charlton as it is becoming unattainable.
Some supporters are trying to get confirmation from our moles
Eyes and ears everywhere!18 -
That would be great – but the point I was trying to make was aimed at those who are saying and have said that there is no point to the protests. They have already have had an effect both on and off the pitch.2
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Yes, they are a success, whatever the outcome. Supporters should not and have not just sat by while the club's heart is ripped out. Keep the pressure on! He will have to sell at some point or the financial losses will be huge for him. The sooner the better!3
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Don't view it as a win / lose scenario, but had there not been the impact generated by the protests:
- we would currently have Nebojša Vignjević as our manager,
- Roland would still be in the dark to the extent of the discontent
- Roland would be looking to continue his ownership long-term.
None of those three things are now the case.44 -
In addition to the above:
- while the protests at Liege did not alone force him out, if they had not happened, he would still be owner.
- protests in Jena forced him into dialogue and clarification of his business intentions. This may have flared up again, BTW, we are talking to Jena fans about the current situation.19 -
Very interesting. Appreciate you are trying to find out more but any idea where and in what context that comment was (allegedly) made?C4FC4L1f3 said:he wont remain!
Apparently he said last week that he thinks he will have to sell Charlton as it is becoming unattainable.
Some supporters are trying to get confirmation from our moles
Eyes and ears everywhere!1 -
I reckon we'd currently have Freye after big Neb got sackedAFKABartram said:Don't view it as a win / lose scenario, but had there not been the impact generated by the protests:
- we would currently have Nebojša Vignjević as our manager,
- Roland would still be in the dark to the extent of the discontent
- Roland would be looking to continue his ownership long-term.
None of those three things are now the case.
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The protests have exposed our wholly incompetent CEO for what she really is. They have given her a wake up call, and she now knows what she is up against here. With respect, this isn't like STVV, nor is it like a run-of-the-mill football league club. She can't fob us off with her hogwash.
C.A.R.D have the intelligence,patience,support and momentum to continue to expose her.
This has become a fight that she knows full well she doesn't want to be in , she can't win.
Therefore I'd say they have been successful so far but it can't stop until her and RD are gone for good.7 -
we really do have a lot to thankyou for0
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CARD have shown how to run an intelligent campaign on limited resources and acted within the law - the club should go to them for PR advice.
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The fans at this club have always been its biggest asset. It has done well when it has understood this.10
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Loud and clear, maintain the protests, no excuses. I hope there are about 200 others as sure like you C4FC4L1F3.C4FC4L1f3 said:he wont remain!
Apparently he said last week that he thinks he will have to sell Charlton as it is becoming unattainable.
Some supporters are trying to get confirmation from our moles
Eyes and ears everywhere!6 -
CZJ is the part of the network that makes the least sense, due to German ownership laws. Imagine if Roland only owned half of Charlton, and we had someone like @rikofold representing the fans on the board.PragueAddick said:In addition to the above:
- while the protests at Liege did not alone force him out, if they had not happened, he would still be owner.
- protests in Jena forced him into dialogue and clarification of his business intentions. This may have flared up again, BTW, we are talking to Jena fans about the current situation.0 -
I don't like Roland one bit, but is anyone else concerned about the long term affect CARD might help create? There is already talk among most fans about not renewing their season tickets, my worry is once these people are gone, it will be hard to get them back. I know the ultimate goal is to get Roland out of our club but i'm not sure staying away is the right way to go. The money our season tickets generate is not enough to hurt somebody of his wealth.. we are not really lining his pockets, he has lost loads!! The only thing you will affect is next season playing budget, it could be the case of keeping somebody like Lookman or selling him. Roland will NOT sell us as a league 1 team as he will lose too much.. our best hope of getting rid of him is to get behind the team next season in league one and help get us promoted, then it becomes possible for him to sell.
I guess although i will hold Roland responsible if in 5 years i'm watching us in league 2 with 3000 people in the Valley, i will regret that we actively encouraged people to stay away. I think if you really want Roland out you are better off in the Valley on a Saturday afternoon letting him know rather than at home forgotten.1 -
luke1 said:
I don't like Roland one bit, but is anyone else concerned about the long term affect CARD might help create? There is already talk among most fans about not renewing their season tickets, my worry is once these people are gone, it will be hard to get them back.
I can only speak for myself, however, I am not renewing my season ticket and I am not going to any more home games under Roland. However, the day he sells up I will immediately purchase a season ticket, home shirt, red and white scarf, club gnome, away shirt, club key ring, club tie, I will then stuff my face with as much food and drink as possible in the ground.
When that day comes it will be celebrated as one of my happiest moments at The Valley.
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Yeah thanks CARD... We wouldnt be in this mess if Nebojsa Vignjevic was our Manager!! FACT!!AFKABartram said:Don't view it as a win / lose scenario, but had there not been the impact generated by the protests:
- we would currently have Nebojša Vignjević as our manager,
- Roland would still be in the dark to the extent of the discontent
- Roland would be looking to continue his ownership long-term.
None of those three things are now the case.9 -
Fair play if they are all like you CHG.. I just can't see in reality it being like that.0
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The protests have enabled me to express my anger at the regime, which makes them a success. To this end I wish there were after-match protests every week, and I wish they were better attended than the last one too. The last two 5-minute protests have achieved a unity among the vast majority of fans, and the kids love them too, which makes them also a success. Passive acceptance of Roland's regime is unthinkable.1
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There's been precious little else to look forward to on a Saturday afternoon!1
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Lets be clear on one thing @luke1 . The long-term impact on fans returning caused by the protests is about 1/1000th of the impact caused by Roland, his ridiculous model, and his hapless lapdog remine.luke1 said:Fair play if they are all like you CHG.. I just can't see in reality it being like that.
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Amen to that.AFKABartram said:
Lets be clear on one thing @luke1 . The long-term impact on fans returning caused by the protests is about 1/1000th of the impact caused by Roland, his ridiculous model, and his hapless lapdog remine.luke1 said:Fair play if they are all like you CHG.. I just can't see in reality it being like that.
You've matured @AFKABartram - once upon a time you used to write these huge articles that most Charlton fans would nod in agreement with, and now you are able to condense that same sentiment in to one line instead ;-)3 -
Sadly I think a lot of supporters won't return - much easier destroying a fanbase than building it. The only enjoyable part of this season has been the protests at the last couple of games and there seems precious little joy around the club.CHG said:luke1 said:I don't like Roland one bit, but is anyone else concerned about the long term affect CARD might help create? There is already talk among most fans about not renewing their season tickets, my worry is once these people are gone, it will be hard to get them back.
I can only speak for myself, however, I am not renewing my season ticket and I am not going to any more home games under Roland. However, the day he sells up I will immediately purchase a season ticket, home shirt, red and white scarf, club gnome, away shirt, club key ring, club tie, I will then stuff my face with as much food and drink as possible in the ground.
When that day comes it will be celebrated as one of my happiest moments at The Valley.
We could easily get another dodgy owner if RD leaves and we have to hope we don't.
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I'm still hoping that somehow, we bin off Roland and the next home game The Valley is a sell out.
Whether that is with CARD using funds to promote/buy tickets or whatever but that would be one hell of a statement.2 -
But the atmosphere in the ground has been electric recently. In fact, I think it was Sue Gallop who remarked on CAFC Live last weekend that John Fortune said the Valley atmosphere has been the best it's been in years.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Sadly I think a lot of supporters won't return - much easier destroying a fanbase than building it. The only enjoyable part of this season has been the protests at the last couple of games and there seems precious little joy around the club.CHG said:luke1 said:I don't like Roland one bit, but is anyone else concerned about the long term affect CARD might help create? There is already talk among most fans about not renewing their season tickets, my worry is once these people are gone, it will be hard to get them back.
I can only speak for myself, however, I am not renewing my season ticket and I am not going to any more home games under Roland. However, the day he sells up I will immediately purchase a season ticket, home shirt, red and white scarf, club gnome, away shirt, club key ring, club tie, I will then stuff my face with as much food and drink as possible in the ground.
When that day comes it will be celebrated as one of my happiest moments at The Valley.
We could easily get another dodgy owner if RD leaves and we have to hope we don't.1 -
I think they have been a success in that they have allowed a large number of people to express their discontent at RD and Co coherently and exposed that dissatisfaction to the media in an intelligent series of moves.
Helped enormously, of course, by some glorious gaffes by the regime itself, who seem willing to leave no stone unturned to demonstrate things are a bit of a mess...1 -
Fair enough @AFKABartram if that's what you believe. But in my opinion its not that simple and we will only hurt our club more in the long run. Roland is hurting himself just as much with his flawed business model and it will be massively in his interest to change his ways or he will lose a lot of money. I guess only time will tell.0
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You might be right in some cases, Roland has set this club back years, maybe even decades, however, there is a loyal and passionate fan base at the club that any future owner will be able to use to build on when they get up and running.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Sadly I think a lot of supporters won't return - much easier destroying a fanbase than building it. The only enjoyable part of this season has been the protests at the last couple of games and there seems precious little joy around the club.CHG said:luke1 said:I don't like Roland one bit, but is anyone else concerned about the long term affect CARD might help create? There is already talk among most fans about not renewing their season tickets, my worry is once these people are gone, it will be hard to get them back.
I can only speak for myself, however, I am not renewing my season ticket and I am not going to any more home games under Roland. However, the day he sells up I will immediately purchase a season ticket, home shirt, red and white scarf, club gnome, away shirt, club key ring, club tie, I will then stuff my face with as much food and drink as possible in the ground.
When that day comes it will be celebrated as one of my happiest moments at The Valley.
We could easily get another dodgy owner if RD leaves and we have to hope we don't.
Will the future owners be dodgy? Who knows, we can only speculate, but what I do know is they will be light years better than Roland and this regime, it will be impossible any other way.0 -
I miss the old days before the diagnosed Meire's foot in mouth disease and quarantined her. She was so funny.2
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I have passed the info to Joe but will PM you.Davo55 said:
Very interesting. Appreciate you are trying to find out more but any idea where and in what context that comment was (allegedly) made?C4FC4L1f3 said:he wont remain!
Apparently he said last week that he thinks he will have to sell Charlton as it is becoming unattainable.
Some supporters are trying to get confirmation from our moles
Eyes and ears everywhere!0 -
The club itself let us know that at every game there were at least 3000 season ticket holders who weren't attending BEFORE CARD were even formed. Without CARD we would have been sailing down the river to oblivion. Although he may be a Billionaire or half Billionaire or whatever he's not exactly throwing money into the club & what he is putting in is repayable with interest. His miniscule budget is there as part of his experiment so any withholding of funds is enough to hurt him in this particular part of his business empire.luke1 said:I don't like Roland one bit, but is anyone else concerned about the long term affect CARD might help create? There is already talk among most fans about not renewing their season tickets, my worry is once these people are gone, it will be hard to get them back. I know the ultimate goal is to get Roland out of our club but i'm not sure staying away is the right way to go. The money our season tickets generate is not enough to hurt somebody of his wealth.. we are not really lining his pockets, he has lost loads!! The only thing you will affect is next season playing budget, it could be the case of keeping somebody like Lookman or selling him. Roland will NOT sell us as a league 1 team as he will lose too much.. our best hope of getting rid of him is to get behind the team next season in league one and help get us promoted, then it becomes possible for him to sell.
I guess although i will hold Roland responsible if in 5 years i'm watching us in league 2 with 3000 people in the Valley, i will regret that we actively encouraged people to stay away. I think if you really want Roland out you are better off in the Valley on a Saturday afternoon letting him know rather than at home forgotten.
If you honestly think he will fund a promotion chasing squad for next season then I think you're incredibly naive.7
