So they've signed someone about to go on trial for rape (effectively for the "first" time).
Innocent or not, most clubs would steer clear of such a situation (i.e. an impending trial/conviction/etc), and it's thoroughly surprising that Chesterfield have signed him.
So they've signed someone about to go on trial for rape (effectively for the "first" time).
Innocent or not, most clubs would steer clear of such a situation (i.e. an impending trial/conviction/etc), and it's thoroughly surprising that Chesterfield have signed him.
If he's anywhere near the player he was before the 'incident' he'll be a bargain for Chesterfield .. he's probably desperate to get back and is working for a small(ish) salary .. the Spirites are prepared to take a risk on two fronts 1) That he is indeed the good player he was three years ago, 2) that the retrial goes in Evans' favour .. only time will tell
So they've signed someone about to go on trial for rape (effectively for the "first" time).
Innocent or not, most clubs would steer clear of such a situation (i.e. an impending trial/conviction/etc), and it's thoroughly surprising that Chesterfield have signed him.
Fairly sure there will be some kind of get out clause if he does indeed turn out to be guilty.
I know this sounds like double standards but I wouldn't, personally, want him playing for us but I would be uncomfortable if he were unable to get a club should he be found not guilty in his upcoming trial.
As for the suggestion that he is of low moral character I suspect that most (certainly many) of the millionaire footballers that have women throw themselves at them all the time are going to struggle to pass the minimum standard that we would want for the boyfriends of our daughters - even though we would probably love their lifestyles.
I wonder what the fall out will be for this as Sheff United, for example, might have come up with us had he been found not guilty at the first trial, they might have even been able to sell him for many millions of pounds. Presumably anyone that has lost money due to a miscarriage of justice is entitled to some compensation?
KHA - whichever way this goes you can hardly say " have women throw themselves at him". That was clearly not the case. Dreadful person and I hope the Spirite fans manage to get their board to see sense.
I live in Chesterfield. I will be going down to my local tonight to watch the England v Slovakia game. It will be interesting to gauge the opinions of Spirites who will be in there.
I really don't understand his father-in-law. I fully expect he will be paying Cheds wages. My dear ex wasn't up on a rape trial but he did cheat on me. Paying his wages was not top of my Dad's list of things to do for him..........
I live in Chesterfield. I will be going down to my local tonight to watch the England v Slovakia game. It will be interesting to gauge the opinions of Spirites who will be in there.
If he's innocent and remembers where the goal is then yes!!.
If he was innocent all along then him being put away was the reason Charlton strolled to the title and saw Sheffield United fail to go up so if he still has the fitnees and that knack of knowing where the goal is he'll be one of the best Free Transfers in the League this season
Fair enough.
Personally no way I could watch a Charlton team with him in the side.
Why not though...?
I agree with you, if he's guilty of the offence I'd never want to see him in a Charlton shirt but if he's innocent...
As Mr Largo said above. At best he climbed through a hotel bedroom window to have sex with a woman who had just been with one of his team mates. Salt of the earth.
I know this sounds like double standards but I wouldn't, personally, want him playing for us but I would be uncomfortable if he were unable to get a club should he be found not guilty in his upcoming trial.
As for the suggestion that he is of low moral character I suspect that most (certainly many) of the millionaire footballers that have women throw themselves at them all the time are going to struggle to pass the minimum standard that we would want for the boyfriends of our daughters - even though we would probably love their lifestyles.
I wonder what the fall out will be for this as Sheff United, for example, might have come up with us had he been found not guilty at the first trial, they might have even been able to sell him for many millions of pounds. Presumably anyone that has lost money due to a miscarriage of justice is entitled to some compensation?
I would have no problem with him playing for anyone if he is found not guilty in the retrial, just not before then.
I know this sounds like double standards but I wouldn't, personally, want him playing for us but I would be uncomfortable if he were unable to get a club should he be found not guilty in his upcoming trial.
As for the suggestion that he is of low moral character I suspect that most (certainly many) of the millionaire footballers that have women throw themselves at them all the time are going to struggle to pass the minimum standard that we would want for the boyfriends of our daughters - even though we would probably love their lifestyles.
I wonder what the fall out will be for this as Sheff United, for example, might have come up with us had he been found not guilty at the first trial, they might have even been able to sell him for many millions of pounds. Presumably anyone that has lost money due to a miscarriage of justice is entitled to some compensation?
I would have no problem with him playing for anyone if he is found not guilty in the retrial, just not before then.
What if he's found not guilty in the criminal courts but his "victim" sues him for damages in the civil courts and wins on "the balance of probabilities"?
Guilty or not, any bloke who climbs through a hotel window to have it off with someone that one of his mates has just done is probably not the kind of the bloke you want at the Junior Reds Christmas Party.
Agreed. And he had a girlfriend waiting at home too. How many people on here would welcome him into your home if he was with your daughter?
I have always wondered why his girlfriend has stood by him.
Guilty or not, any bloke who climbs through a hotel window to have it off with someone that one of his mates has just done is probably not the kind of the bloke you want at the Junior Reds Christmas Party.
Agreed. And he had a girlfriend waiting at home too. How many people on here would welcome him into your home if he was with your daughter?
I have always wondered why his girlfriend has stood by him.
This puzzles me too. It's not for money as she's from a very wealthy family. I hate to say it but I guess it must be love? She says that the only thing that Ched is guilty of it cheating on her. But when you think of the way he cheated - so here's a man who loves sloppy seconds, the whole trial and imprisonment, the anger of fans of teams who tried to sign him etc etc and she still stands by him? I can't imagine in a million years standing by someone through all of that.
I should say at the beginning of this post that I have always believed that he has served his time and should be allowed to play again. However I respect the opinions of those who disagree with me.
Leaving the crime aspect to one side, professional footballers are young men, many of them have vast amounts of money and are seen as glamorous. It is hardly surprising that a fair percentage of them get involved in morally questionable activities and you can be pretty certain that virtually every league club, including ours, contains a few individuals who, or would if given a chance, indulge in what many people might consider dubious sexual activities. I wonder if the people who would protest about Evans playing football again because of his morals would refuse to buy or listen to music from any individual or band that had indulged in such behaviour.
There are at least two ex Charlton players who were fairly well known to be wife beaters and who are regularly described as legends on this forum.
I'm sure there are plenty of us on here who would fail our own fit and proper person tests to some degree, but it's natural to want your team to be made up of morally sound people, I don't think we should bust ourselves too hard for that. I know I'd feel better about supporting a team of Garry Nelsons than a team of Cheds, even if that meant scoring far fewer goals.
I'm sure there are plenty of us on here who would fail our own fit and proper person tests to some degree, but it's natural to want your team to be made up of morally sound people, I don't think we should bust ourselves too hard for that. I know I'd feel better about supporting a team of Garry Nelsons than a team of Cheds, even if that meant scoring far fewer goals.
Ok. People can like, lol or flag this post, but this is an open forum for people to express their own opinions so here goes:
My understanding is that Ched Evans was found guilty of rape on the basis that the girl in question was deemed too intoxicated to give her consent, rather than whether she gave consent or not. That to me is a very grey area. It's never happened to me personally, but I know people who have been on a heavy night out, got shitfaced & woke up in the morning in bed with someone with no recollection of how they got there or what happened. Technically, they're all guilty of rape. Very grey area in my opinion.
Ched Evans, without a shadow of doubt, is guilty of being a shit human being with little or no morals. I mean, who the fuck cheats on their girlfriend to have his mates sloppy 2nd's???? Unfortunately, being a shit human being with no morals is not deemed worthy of a prison sentence, if it was, our prisons would be absolutely full to the brim.
Ched Evans has served 3 years for a crime that, in his own mind, I believe he genuinely believes he didn't commit (rape) thus, even after his prison sentence, he's still trying to clear his name.
Quite a few people on this forum have expressed the opinion that "he was found guilty in a court of law so therefore he's guilty" Fair enough, but in that case it has to apply both ways.
If Ched Evans is found guilty again, he will have his contract terminated by Chesterfield & never play football again.
However, if he's found not guilty, he has every right to earn as much money as he can from the remainder of his professional career, no matter what people on Charlton Life think of him.
This is what confuses me though... Will he go back to prison?
I thought he'd served his sentence and that this appeal in October is a simple attempt to clear his name... Win and no one has the right to call him a rapist ever again (apart from the stands), lose and he's just seen as a rapist and doesnt play Football again.
I didnt think there was an option which would see him return to prison?
This is what confuses me though... Will he go back to prison?
I thought he'd served his sentence and that this appeal in October is a simple attempt to clear his name... Win and no one has the right to call him a rapist ever again (apart from the stands), lose and he's just seen as a rapist and doesnt play Football again.
I didnt think there was an option which would see him return to prison?
You are probably correct, I'm not sure to be honest
Excellent post Chrissy's and pretty much how I feel about the situation. From my understanding of the law it does seem that it is very open to interpretation and there have been numerous cases where innocent people have been found guilty and guilty people have been found innocent. It needs to change. I have no idea how it would be done but clearly there is a problem here.
My understanding is that Ched Evans was found guilty of rape on the basis that the girl in question was deemed too intoxicated to give her consent, rather than whether she gave consent or not. That to me is a very grey area. It's never happened to me personally, but I know people who have been on a heavy night out, got shitfaced & woke up in the morning in bed with someone with no recollection of how they got there or what happened. Technically, they're all guilty of rape. Very grey area in my opinion.
There's no suggestion that Ched Evans was drunk.
Ched Evans did not take the woman home. Clayton McDonald did. Evans appeared later.
Don't you have to admit your guilt to qualify for early parole?
I thought it was just good behaviour?
Seems to also be a grey area, a quick google suggests it doesn't automatically rule out parole but some people are told to forget it without an admission of guilt.
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Innocent or not, most clubs would steer clear of such a situation (i.e. an impending trial/conviction/etc), and it's thoroughly surprising that Chesterfield have signed him.
As for the suggestion that he is of low moral character I suspect that most (certainly many) of the millionaire footballers that have women throw themselves at them all the time are going to struggle to pass the minimum standard that we would want for the boyfriends of our daughters - even though we would probably love their lifestyles.
I wonder what the fall out will be for this as Sheff United, for example, might have come up with us had he been found not guilty at the first trial, they might have even been able to sell him for many millions of pounds. Presumably anyone that has lost money due to a miscarriage of justice is entitled to some compensation?
I have always wondered why his girlfriend has stood by him.
Leaving the crime aspect to one side, professional footballers are young men, many of them have vast amounts of money and are seen as glamorous. It is hardly surprising that a fair percentage of them get involved in morally questionable activities and you can be pretty certain that virtually every league club, including ours, contains a few individuals who, or would if given a chance, indulge in what many people might consider dubious sexual activities. I wonder if the people who would protest about Evans playing football again because of his morals would refuse to buy or listen to music from any individual or band that had indulged in such behaviour.
There are at least two ex Charlton players who were fairly well known to be wife beaters and who are regularly described as legends on this forum.
My understanding is that Ched Evans was found guilty of rape on the basis that the girl in question was deemed too intoxicated to give her consent, rather than whether she gave consent or not. That to me is a very grey area. It's never happened to me personally, but I know people who have been on a heavy night out, got shitfaced & woke up in the morning in bed with someone with no recollection of how they got there or what happened. Technically, they're all guilty of rape. Very grey area in my opinion.
Ched Evans, without a shadow of doubt, is guilty of being a shit human being with little or no morals. I mean, who the fuck cheats on their girlfriend to have his mates sloppy 2nd's???? Unfortunately, being a shit human being with no morals is not deemed worthy of a prison sentence, if it was, our prisons would be absolutely full to the brim.
Ched Evans has served 3 years for a crime that, in his own mind, I believe he genuinely believes he didn't commit (rape) thus, even after his prison sentence, he's still trying to clear his name.
Quite a few people on this forum have expressed the opinion that "he was found guilty in a court of law so therefore he's guilty" Fair enough, but in that case it has to apply both ways.
If Ched Evans is found guilty again, he will have his contract terminated by Chesterfield & never play football again.
However, if he's found not guilty, he has every right to earn as much money as he can from the remainder of his professional career, no matter what people on Charlton Life think of him.
I thought he'd served his sentence and that this appeal in October is a simple attempt to clear his name... Win and no one has the right to call him a rapist ever again (apart from the stands), lose and he's just seen as a rapist and doesnt play Football again.
I didnt think there was an option which would see him return to prison?
Ched Evans did not take the woman home. Clayton McDonald did. Evans appeared later.