#1stGameOff

MartinCAFC

Nug said:

MartinCAFC said:

Think we should really just see what happens in the summer first. None of us want to be in League One but getting games abandoned won't get us back into The Championship, more likely hasten a drop down to League Two especially if points deductions come into play.

I realise people see it as a battle with the owner but what if, just what if we do get Wilder in as well as a squad with some decent British players and look like having a realistic chance of bouncing back would we be willing to give it a fair go or still look to abandon a game so early on?

@MartinCAFC it doesn't make any difference, they have to go and the protests will continue until they do. Anyone that thinks they have the will or the ability to change tact are deluded. Fans continuing to work with them should stop they are aiding and abetting the destruction of Charlton.

That's fine, not questioning the protests at all. Just questioning whether games should get abandonded if we do bring in Wilder as surely if they are going to change tact and bring in Wilder instead of the The Upjest guy then maybe they will also change tact on the playing personnel?

Of course chances are we'll end up with someone we've never heard of or someone like De Cort being slotted in which means nothing changes of course but just posing the question while the Wilder story is still out there.

kings hill addick

I could open a Bric-a-brac with the rubbish I have hidden from my wife. The worst thing I do is buy another x for less than the cost of the last one to bring the average price I paid for the x (typically total crap) down.

Which reminds me does anyone want a set of Dewalt screwdriver bits? Hurry now I only have seventeen left. They are all unopened and I have all the receipts from eBay!

:-)

WestCountryAddick

MartinCAFC said:

Think we should really just see what happens in the summer first. None of us want to be in League One but getting games abandoned won't get us back into The Championship, more likely hasten a drop down to League Two especially if points deductions come into play.

I realise people see it as a battle with the owner but what if, just what if we do get Wilder in as well as a squad with some decent British players and look like having a realistic chance of bouncing back would we be willing to give it a fair go or still look to abandon a game so early on?

No, this regime will never have the club's best interest at heart, they need to go. A new manager isn't going to change things. Whilst the managers we've appointed haven't been the best, they are not the root of the problem. The root of the problem is Duchatelet and his unable assistant Meire who between the two of them have managed to undo all the good work done by Powell and the previous regime (who were not perfect either let's remember, though compared to RD they were angels).

The sooner this regime go, the sooner we can look forward to better days.

Bangkokaddick

Missed It said:

We need one of those far east bookie gangs to blow our floodlights out one Tuesday evening!!

I'll see what I can do.

SDAddick

It's easier to plan something like this and then call it off than it is the other way round. Of course the fact that the club will have time to plan for it is a concern.

There's a lot of time between now and then, and a lot of things that could happen. I still suspect the prospect of us being sold will come up again between now and then.

For me getting a match abandoned should be the absolute last option, but admittedly we're not too far off that. There is of course the risk of the fans being vilified for it, but if nothing changes over the summer that may just be a risk we need to take.

@MartinCAFC I applaud your optimism. I don't really think a manager who has just won League Two and has never coached above that level is our savior, but always good to have hope.

Airman Brown

Preseason will be interesting.

se9addick

kings hill addick said:

I can't help but wonder if this idea came about after a couple of beers. I have a rule (that I regularly break) that I shouldn't make any significant, particularly financial, decisions when drinking.

I can't tell you how much $hit I have bought off eBay while a 'little drunk'.

Now that it has been announced it is possible that some of those associated with CARD will wish they'd waiting until the next day to make such a bold statement. Maybe I'm wrong but I suspect that the security presence today will look like a school trip compared to what they will put on if it looks like we intend to follow through on the threat.

Possibly - but I think positives of announcing it now are:

a) it provides a focus point over the summer with something to build towards rather than losing all momentum and having to build it up from scratch in August.

b) if it can be widely publicised then, when the fixtures are announced in June, the fans of the away side will be aware. This is our only opportunity to announce a planned abandonment before away fans book trains or shell out for match tickets.

c) it keeps the club on their toes and they can't just have a couple of months of from worrying about the protests.

se9addick

Addickted2TheReds said:

MartinCAFC said:

Think we should really just see what happens in the summer first. None of us want to be in League One but getting games abandoned won't get us back into The Championship, more likely hasten a drop down to League Two especially if points deductions come into play.

I realise people see it as a battle with the owner but what if, just what if we do get Wilder in as well as a squad with some decent British players and look like having a realistic chance of bouncing back would we be willing to give it a fair go or still look to abandon a game so early on?

Roland Duchatelet and his band of incompetents that run our football club are the enemy of everything that Charlton is and will be again in the future. There is no future for them here. It may well be a long slog but we will not stop protesting.

We will continue to up the protests until he goes. And when he does we will have the biggest fucking street party you've ever seen.

There will be no collaboration with them now or in the future. Wilder/decent players or not - Roland Duchatelet is not welcome at this football club.

We will undoubtedly win more matches next year but I do not care - the only thing that matters is forcing the end of this incompetent, clueless and harmful administration.

After a couple of pints @Addickted2TheReds becomes Churchill !

AFKABartram

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

rememberbillybonds

First home of the season should be boycotted.

3blokes

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

It is this one thing that gives me some hope that Roland will have to sell up.
If no one of any quality will come to the club, then it will fail. It will fall apart. There will always be those that follow the money, but even if this happens, it is clear that the owner will continually destabilise the set up with his interventions, it will fail anyway. Either way, and after yesterday, it looks pretty unworkable going forward. The club is in a complete mess, and there's no hiding this, everyone can see it, and it is being reported as such.
If the wider football community stand behind us, and turn their back on Duchatelet full stop, then we might just get him to go.

Garrymanilow

MartinCAFC said:

Nug said:

MartinCAFC said:

Think we should really just see what happens in the summer first. None of us want to be in League One but getting games abandoned won't get us back into The Championship, more likely hasten a drop down to League Two especially if points deductions come into play.

I realise people see it as a battle with the owner but what if, just what if we do get Wilder in as well as a squad with some decent British players and look like having a realistic chance of bouncing back would we be willing to give it a fair go or still look to abandon a game so early on?

@MartinCAFC it doesn't make any difference, they have to go and the protests will continue until they do. Anyone that thinks they have the will or the ability to change tact are deluded. Fans continuing to work with them should stop they are aiding and abetting the destruction of Charlton.

That's fine, not questioning the protests at all. Just questioning whether games should get abandonded if we do bring in Wilder as surely if they are going to change tact and bring in Wilder instead of the The Upjest guy then maybe they will also change tact on the playing personnel?

Of course chances are we'll end up with someone we've never heard of or someone like De Cort being slotted in which means nothing changes of course but just posing the question while the Wilder story is still out there.

Argh. The manager and the playing staff are the least of our worries at this point. The ownership hate us. They regularly insult, belittle and actively work against the fans in order to carry on their mad experiment. I don't care if they bring in Mourinho and Messi, when fans have been locked out of their own stadium, denied tickets, had their history belittled, been publicly lambasted for complaining and found pitch side sofas in place of the heart and soul of the club then i genuinely don't care if Northampton's manager rocks up. This protest isn't just about results and it hasn't been for a long, long time. The time to wait and see what they do next is over. They have to go

creepyaddick

I personally think it was genius to announce it on the last game of this season. They've now got all summer to stew on it. Love it!

creepyaddick

The locking of the gates should continue right through the off season and first game the gates should be welded shut.

letthegoodtimesroll

There's only going to be 3,000 there, thinly spread sround the ground, because everybody else is going to stay away so the protests are not likely to have much impact, let alone be enough to get the game abandoned

TellyTubby

Airman Brown said:

Preseason will be interesting.

Just think of the angst among the AMT as they ponder what to do to plan against this announcement.

They will spend a fortune in amnesty bins, sniffer dogs and blue bibbed thugs as well as many sleepless nights with any luck.

Rob7Lee

smiffyboy said:

Hahaha glad I'm not the only I one who's bought crap drunk off eBay then stand there scratching my head when it gets delivered saying I haven't bought anything.

I used to have a special cupboard for drunken QVC purchases.......

SoleBayAddick

MartinCAFC said:

Think we should really just see what happens in the summer first. None of us want to be in League One but getting games abandoned won't get us back into The Championship, more likely hasten a drop down to League Two especially if points deductions come into play.

I realise people see it as a battle with the owner but what if, just what if we do get Wilder in as well as a squad with some decent British players and look like having a realistic chance of bouncing back would we be willing to give it a fair go or still look to abandon a game so early on?

Sorry, you must be living in cloud cookoo land

MartinCAFC

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

@AFKABartram no offence to you either but my post has absolutely nothing to do with any committee and simply posed the question, well what if they do go down the British route for a Head Coach and players? Personally I am highly doubtful either will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask as this is what a lot of fans have called for.

It's just whether calling for a game to get abandoned would be too extreme or not so early on in the season if the club did go down the British route, would it not be wise just to see what happens in the summer first?

I agree with you that in the current situation we are a laughing stock and could probably only attract the likes of Karel Fraeye, the Upjest guy etc as a Head Coach and probably a bunch of overseas players just as unknown which is why I was posing the question well what if we do attract British personnel would it perhaps signal a change of tact and would we be willing to give it a go.

stonemuse

MartinCAFC said:

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

@AFKABartram no offence to you either but my post has absolutely nothing to do with any committee and simply posed the question, well what if they do go down the British route for a Head Coach and players? Personally I am highly doubtful either will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask as this is what a lot of fans have called for.

It's just whether calling for a game to get abandoned would be too extreme or not so early on in the season if the club did go down the British route, would it not be wise just to see what happens in the summer first?

I agree with you that in the current situation we are a laughing stock and could probably only attract the likes of Karel Fraeye, the Upjest guy etc as a Head Coach and probably a bunch of overseas players just as unknown which is why I was posing the question well what if we do attract British personnel would it perhaps signal a change of tact and would we be willing to give it a go.

No

Addickted

MartinCAFC said:

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

@AFKABartram no offence to you either but my post has absolutely nothing to do with any committee and simply posed the question, well what if they do go down the British route for a Head Coach and players? Personally I am highly doubtful either will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask as this is what a lot of fans have called for.

It's just whether calling for a game to get abandoned would be too extreme or not so early on in the season if the club did go down the British route, would it not be wise just to see what happens in the summer first?

I agree with you that in the current situation we are a laughing stock and could probably only attract the likes of Karel Fraeye, the Upjest guy etc as a Head Coach and probably a bunch of overseas players just as unknown which is why I was posing the question well what if we do attract British personnel would it perhaps signal a change of tact and would we be willing to give it a go.

12 months too late.

WelshAddick

I think we should get an away game abandoned

unjpc49427

MartinCAFC said:

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

@AFKABartram no offence to you either but my post has absolutely nothing to do with any committee and simply posed the question, well what if they do go down the British route for a Head Coach and players? Personally I am highly doubtful either will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask as this is what a lot of fans have called for.

It's just whether calling for a game to get abandoned would be too extreme or not so early on in the season if the club did go down the British route, would it not be wise just to see what happens in the summer first?

I agree with you that in the current situation we are a laughing stock and could probably only attract the likes of Karel Fraeye, the Upjest guy etc as a Head Coach and probably a bunch of overseas players just as unknown which is why I was posing the question well what if we do attract British personnel would it perhaps signal a change of tact and would we be willing to give it a go.

Sorry Martin but the time for second chances has gone. So many good people, staff and fans, have left the club under this lot. Another managerial change in the offing and still the chief culprits responsible for this farce, the ones you wish to keep onside with, remain in post

I admire your optimism but this particular leopard is not going to change it's spots despite making soundbites to the contrary.

Is it true that the T20k group have now been tasked with thinking up an alternative to the sofa idea?

Addickted

unjpc49427 said:

MartinCAFC said:

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

@AFKABartram no offence to you either but my post has absolutely nothing to do with any committee and simply posed the question, well what if they do go down the British route for a Head Coach and players? Personally I am highly doubtful either will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask as this is what a lot of fans have called for.

It's just whether calling for a game to get abandoned would be too extreme or not so early on in the season if the club did go down the British route, would it not be wise just to see what happens in the summer first?

I agree with you that in the current situation we are a laughing stock and could probably only attract the likes of Karel Fraeye, the Upjest guy etc as a Head Coach and probably a bunch of overseas players just as unknown which is why I was posing the question well what if we do attract British personnel would it perhaps signal a change of tact and would we be willing to give it a go.

Is it true that the T20k group have now been tasked with thinking up an alternative to the sofa idea?

Chris_from_Sidcup

WelshAddick said:

I think we should get an away game abandoned

Welling away in pre season. Wouldn't even have to leave the pub. Can just lob smoke bombs from outside the Guy

Stig

Good debate here, but can I just interrupt for a minute to bring this important statement from the Grammar Police.

MartinCAFC

unjpc49427 said:

MartinCAFC said:

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

@AFKABartram no offence to you either but my post has absolutely nothing to do with any committee and simply posed the question, well what if they do go down the British route for a Head Coach and players? Personally I am highly doubtful either will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask as this is what a lot of fans have called for.

It's just whether calling for a game to get abandoned would be too extreme or not so early on in the season if the club did go down the British route, would it not be wise just to see what happens in the summer first?

I agree with you that in the current situation we are a laughing stock and could probably only attract the likes of Karel Fraeye, the Upjest guy etc as a Head Coach and probably a bunch of overseas players just as unknown which is why I was posing the question well what if we do attract British personnel would it perhaps signal a change of tact and would we be willing to give it a go.

Sorry Martin but the time for second chances has gone. So many good people, staff and fans, have left the club under this lot. Another managerial change in the offing and still the chief culprits responsible for this farce, the ones you wish to keep onside with, remain in post

I admire your optimism but this particular leopard is not going to change it's spots despite making soundbites to the contrary.

Is it true that the T20k group have now been tasked with thinking up an alternative to the sofa idea?

For what it's worth it's not even me being optimistic, being determined to go British and actually getting a British Head Coach / Manager in are two different things. Highly doubtful Wilder will come in but I guess we'll see what happens.

Likewise being tasked with an alternative to the sofa and carrying it out are two different things. My own preference would be for no more sofas and no more gimmicks.

WestCountryAddick

MartinCAFC said:

unjpc49427 said:

MartinCAFC said:

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

@AFKABartram no offence to you either but my post has absolutely nothing to do with any committee and simply posed the question, well what if they do go down the British route for a Head Coach and players? Personally I am highly doubtful either will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask as this is what a lot of fans have called for.

It's just whether calling for a game to get abandoned would be too extreme or not so early on in the season if the club did go down the British route, would it not be wise just to see what happens in the summer first?

I agree with you that in the current situation we are a laughing stock and could probably only attract the likes of Karel Fraeye, the Upjest guy etc as a Head Coach and probably a bunch of overseas players just as unknown which is why I was posing the question well what if we do attract British personnel would it perhaps signal a change of tact and would we be willing to give it a go.

Sorry Martin but the time for second chances has gone. So many good people, staff and fans, have left the club under this lot. Another managerial change in the offing and still the chief culprits responsible for this farce, the ones you wish to keep onside with, remain in post

I admire your optimism but this particular leopard is not going to change it's spots despite making soundbites to the contrary.

Is it true that the T20k group have now been tasked with thinking up an alternative to the sofa idea?

For what it's worth it's not even me being optimistic, being determined to go British and actually getting a British Head Coach / Manager in are two different things. Highly doubtful Wilder will come in but I guess we'll see what happens.

Likewise being tasked with an alternative to the sofa and carrying it out are two different things. My own preference would be for no more sofas and no more gimmicks.

Exactly, we don't need gimmicks, we need a manager with autonomy, a squad that's fit for purpose and an owner and SMT that understands the club, appreciates the fans and wants success on the pitch.

Do you think we are ever likely to have a situation like that with the current regime I charge? Because personally I don't.

stonemuse

WestCountryAddick said:

MartinCAFC said:

unjpc49427 said:

MartinCAFC said:

AFKABartram said:

@MartinCAFC no offence pal, but the club pulled off a fantastic search mission to find the only 6 fans not completely against them and form a 20k Committee!

Answer me this mate, Charlton is the laughing stock of the football world. Speak to any player, manager, agent, director in the game. You will hear the words basket case and wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Virtually every single one of our players want away if they can get an equivalent contract elsewhere.

So what respect would you have for Wilder, or anyone else prepared to work in such a toxic environment under Duchatelet and Meire, when everyone in the game will be saying "stay clear"?

Personally, I would have none.

@AFKABartram no offence to you either but my post has absolutely nothing to do with any committee and simply posed the question, well what if they do go down the British route for a Head Coach and players? Personally I am highly doubtful either will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask as this is what a lot of fans have called for.

It's just whether calling for a game to get abandoned would be too extreme or not so early on in the season if the club did go down the British route, would it not be wise just to see what happens in the summer first?

I agree with you that in the current situation we are a laughing stock and could probably only attract the likes of Karel Fraeye, the Upjest guy etc as a Head Coach and probably a bunch of overseas players just as unknown which is why I was posing the question well what if we do attract British personnel would it perhaps signal a change of tact and would we be willing to give it a go.

Sorry Martin but the time for second chances has gone. So many good people, staff and fans, have left the club under this lot. Another managerial change in the offing and still the chief culprits responsible for this farce, the ones you wish to keep onside with, remain in post

I admire your optimism but this particular leopard is not going to change it's spots despite making soundbites to the contrary.

Is it true that the T20k group have now been tasked with thinking up an alternative to the sofa idea?

For what it's worth it's not even me being optimistic, being determined to go British and actually getting a British Head Coach / Manager in are two different things. Highly doubtful Wilder will come in but I guess we'll see what happens.

Likewise being tasked with an alternative to the sofa and carrying it out are two different things. My own preference would be for no more sofas and no more gimmicks.

Exactly, we don't need gimmicks, we need a manager with autonomy, a squad that's fit for purpose and an owner and SMT that understands the club, appreciates the fans and wants success on the pitch.

Do you think we are ever likely to have a situation like that with the current regime I charge? Because personally I don't.

Of course we won't, pie in the sky.

Roland out.

MuttleyCAFC

They do need to know this is going to get worse, not better!