Is anyone else confused about next season?

thai malaysia addick

Let's be clear, I hate this regime. I fully accept we deserved to go down. I understand why managers are reluctant to join us. I support CARD. But, I do think we could go down again and I don't want that. That could mean years before we recover.

I supported the theory that if it takes going down to get rid of this shameful mob, then it's a price worth paying. But, what if they stay. And, they keep making ridiculous mistakes? Where does it end?

Maybe, I should just think that we will bounce back one day. I'm not so sure.

Thoughts, anyone?

se9addick

Going down again would be good in terms of finishing off the 92. Pretty devastating apart from on that, but you know, silver linings.

andynelson

When Roland sells I'll be back at The Valley whatever division we're in, not before.

seth plum

I suppose I want as many abandoned and delayed matches as possible next season until this regime goes.

Uboat

Sometimes you have to put the patient in a coma. I could cope with another relegation.

NornIrishAddick

We'll never have the kind of stability, both in terms of personnel and planning, needed to be successful under this regime.

Every season will be the same, we may not actually get relegated, but we'll never be able to begin our League campaigns with any confidence, or hope, of success.

1StevieG

Confused about next season? It hasn't been crystal clear what the regimes plans are since they took over. The only thing that is clear is they can't run their own bath.

ken_shabby

I hate relegations, I don't want another one. but I don't know how far down we will have to drop before incompetents like KM and RD find their natural level - but it will be a long way further down. I hope for a better season next year than this, but let's be honest - it will happen in spite of the regime, not because of them. I want Roland to leave and take the squirrel with him. If we have to rebuild from the fourth tier, I will be gutted, but the question is that thes people go, then we rebuild. Anything else is houses built on quicksand.

Essex_Robin

In all honesty, be careful what you wish for.

WhenIwasLittleBoy

Uboat said:

Sometimes you have to put the patient in a coma. I could cope with another relegation.

Jesus I have read it all now.

Uboat

WhenIwasLittleBoy said:

Uboat said:

Sometimes you have to put the patient in a coma. I could cope with another relegation.

Jesus I have read it all now.

You probably didn't understand it, to be honest.

Uboat

By the way, when are you invading the directors lounge? Maybe I missed it.

Essex_Robin

Ask anyone. Once you've lost a customer, (in this case fans) its very difficult to attract new ones. With a poor start we could easily see crowds below the 10,000. In my opinion the strike or boycott is more damaging and has more effect to the fan base than those running the club. It's a entertainment business
And the majority do not want to boycott. You take the rough with the smooth.

Go ahead shout me down but that's my thoughts and everyone is welcome to our own opinions.

Coyotejohn1947

Essex_Robin said:

In all honesty, be careful what you wish for.

Please don't say that.

Is it not unreasonable on every occasion that one should wish for owners coming into the club who will bring an honest approach to the running of the club? This regime were not honest and if it hadn't been for Meire shooting her mouth off in Dublin it might have been a bit longer before the player farm part of the equation was revealed.

I note your later comments as well.
There may well be two camps evolving. Those who will continue to attend matches at The Valley whatever takes place behind the scenes and those who will never go again whilst this regime holds power.

The first group are in effect supporting a New Charlton Athletic (IMO - soulless and without ambition) but still playing football, still putting out a team to watch. It is important to respect that decision.

The second group are those so disaffected with the way the club is being run and with feelings so strong that they could now be said to be the custodians of the spirit of the Club. At least some of these will choose never to set foot in The Valley again until the regime is over. These will be seen by RD and KM as collateral damage and their loss incidental I suspect.

So, No, why subscribe to that stupid 'be careful what you wish for' mantra?

I want a properly run club with a communicated agenda, a CEO who knows how to run a football club and an owner who has some respect for the fans and the 'business' that he has bought into and, given that ownership brings with it responsibility, a sense of guardianship of its history.

We will never get that with this lot so yes a change and is that too much to wish for?

Essex_Robin

So if we are near the top of the league and playing attractive football you still woul not attend?

PeterGage

Essex_Robin said:

Ask anyone. Once you've lost a customer, (in this case fans) its very difficult to attract new ones. With a poor start we could easily see crowds below the 10,000. In my opinion the strike or boycott is more damaging and has more effect to the fan base than those running the club. It's a entertainment business
And the majority do not want to boycott. You take the rough with the smooth.

Go ahead shout me down but that's my thoughts and everyone is welcome to our own opinions.

Agreed. The trouble for me is that I am not being entertained

WSS

Essex_Robin said:

So if we are near the top of the league and playing attractive football you still woul not attend?

Seriously, what gives you the impression that is going to happen?

With what players?
With what manager?
With what money?
With what plan?

How anyone can have any confidence or faith in this lot is beyond me. Until they do (rather than say) something that dramatically changes our approach, management and fortunes then I'll base my expectations on experience.

Coyotejohn1947

Essex_Robin said:

So if we are near the top of the league and playing attractive football you still woul not attend?

It is the really big question isn't it?

I've nailed my colours to the mast and it's summed up by the CARD bywords 'support the team not the regime'.
It has created a dilemma for many as you will see if you look at the thread related to Valley Gold. It hurts people to leave it as it is a way for the ordinary fan to contribute towards the success of the team but even there it can be seen that there have been resignations from the scheme - that gives an indication of how deep the disenchantment with the current ownership is reaching.

All I can say is that a number of people I know have either already stopped going to The Valley and/or from next season will only go to away games in protest at the regime. I'm not sure that any of those would necessarily be attracted back to The Valley by the prospect of the top of the league scenario if it means paying those who have inflicted so much pain on this club and have treated fans with the utmost contempt.

Barcelona have this motto: It's more than a club.
and it's more than just playing attractive football. It's the spirit, the history, the shared experiences.
Can't speak for others of course but as it stands No, do not intend to go to home games irrespective of League position unless regime sells up.

Is this stance more damaging than the actions of KM and RD as you seem to suggest it might be in an earlier posting?
They have already done a generation's worth of damage in just over two years IMO and even the 'official' supporters body the CAS Trust has given up on them.

vff

Essex_Robin said:

Ask anyone. Once you've lost a customer, (in this case fans) its very difficult to attract new ones. With a poor start we could easily see crowds below the 10,000. In my opinion the strike or boycott is more damaging and has more effect to the fan base than those running the club. It's a entertainment business
And the majority do not want to boycott. You take the rough with the smooth.

Go ahead shout me down but that's my thoughts and everyone is welcome to our own opinions.

Crowds will be around 7,000 to 8,000. Less for cold midweek winter games against Northern opposition with small away followings.

The claim that those not attending are doing more damage to the owner and CEO is clearly ridiculous. The clueless owner and out of depth CEO are putting forward a substandard product on the pitch backed up by poor ticketing, marketing, media, press, and stadium management.

It may be your opinion, but in my opinion, you have got things completely upside down.

Essex_Robin

So it's a no then?
Let's be clear about this. If we are near the top of the league and playing attractive football under RD you will not attend home games?

Essex_Robin

Yes or no answer

vff

So your assumption @Essex_Robin is that by some miracle that Duchatelet amateurish, inept and crackpot strategy, that has so failed so far spectacularly, will somehow yield a team that plays attractive football and will get Charlton somewhere near the top ?

Can I have a yes or no on that specific question.

At this time most of the key positions in the club that need to be in place are unfulfilled, Duchatelet refuses to relinquish control over squad and strategy, and the same flawed strategy is in place with an utterly useless CEO in place. Duchatelet also does not want to pay the going rate for decent experienced British players, and will likely get Meire to enforce the selling of anyone decent on high wages with replacement with poorer replacements.

Your attempt to enforce a question about a completely hypothetical and unlikely situation is ridiculous.

CroydonAddick1

Atmosphere at home games is going to be like a grave - 'hardcore' will be boycotting and there'll be no noise to be heard from us, as those who will still attend our unlikely to be ones to make a sound. On the other hand, away games could be excellent; home boycotters will go to much more and we'll see some higher away crowds than normal I should imagine. If we start well plenty will come back, but if we're mid table at the business end than a January Tuesday Night v Northampton could see us struggle to hit 5000 actual people there.

Coyotejohn1947

Essex_Robin said:

So it's a no then?
Let's be clear about this. If we are near the top of the league and playing attractive football under RD you will not attend home games?

Whoa, did you not read my reply?
Quote: No, do not intend to go to home games irrespective of League position unless regime sells up.

But not sure where you are going with this and posting a message which simply says 'Yes or No answer' appears to me to be somewhat aggressive in tone.

clb74

I'm confused every day mate

Essex_Robin

not meant to be aggressive

Essex_Robin

You've answered the question though.

dizzee

No

Essex_Robin

Please accept my apologies if I have upset anyone with any of my posts. Trying to be topical and provoke thought and debate. I'll shut up now.

Essex_Al

Essex_Robin said:

Please accept my apologies if I have upset anyone with any of my posts. Trying to be topical and provoke thought and debate. I'll shut up now.

Wouldn't worry about it mate, they'll all be back if by some miracle we're top of the league after Christmas!

TellyTubby

Essex_Al said:

Essex_Robin said:

Please accept my apologies if I have upset anyone with any of my posts. Trying to be topical and provoke thought and debate. I'll shut up now.

Wouldn't worry about it mate, they'll all be back if by some miracle we're top of the league after Christmas!

So what was the average last time we were in league one, 21,000 maybe? Are you seriously saying that we will have the same average?
Tell you what let's just take the average from Christmas. It still won't be anywhere near that whatever we are doing in the league and we ain't gonna be top that's for sure.