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What Degree ?

My Daughter, who lives in South Africa (Cape Town), has to choose her desired Degree course before the end of June- its different there as the school year runs on a Calendar year, and ends in Dec, and then Uni starts in Jan.

My first thoughts were to say to her to continue on with the subjects she enjoys , and not necessarily the ones she has good marks in (although generally you would expect them to be the same).
The subjects she enjoys most are Maths and Science.

She is very unsure of what path to go down, this weeks flavour is Law (which i've tried to dissuade her from), whereas last weeks was Accounting which i've also tried to dissuade her from - both from the boredom factor.

I'm trying to make her aware of other more interesting and maybe 'different' courses that might be available that would enable her to have a more outdoor life.

One that came to my attention was this at Stellenbosch Uni (Stellenbosch is the centre of the SA Wine trade)..
http://www.sun.ac.za/english/faculty/agri/viticulture-oenology
(her old man could help her with her case studies !)

and also another thing to think of is becoming an airline pilot. For example, Oxford Aviation.. http://www.caeoaa.com/entry-requirements/#.V1QLavRdVEw

Another option i have said to her is maybe have some time out, come to UK and make your choice ready for begin of 2018 or end of 2017 if she wants to go to a UK Uni- though she is worried that she might get used to not studying and not want to go to Uni thereafter.

Just thought i'd throw it out there for you good people to provide your valued wisdom.
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  • Genuine question Mr President, is she interested in "a more outdoor life" or is that what you would want?
  • What do you mean ... Accounting is boring. Accounting isn't boring. Accountants are boring. I should know. I am one !
  • _MrDick said:

    What do you mean ... Accounting is boring. Accounting isn't boring. Accountants are boring. I should know. I am one !

    'Interesting' accountants tend to end up in jail :smiley:
  • Stig said:

    Genuine question Mr President, is she interested in "a more outdoor life" or is that what you would want?

    She's very much more comfortable being outdoors than in - then again, the climate does help.
  • Computer Science, if available, or anything involving programming.
  • _MrDick said:

    What do you mean ... Accounting is boring. Accounting isn't boring. Accountants are boring. I should know. I am one !

    'Interesting' accountants tend to end up in jail :smiley:
    How about 'unique' lawyers ?!
  • Just recently finished uni and I don't really think that it's advisable to push or lead her down any particular route. Best to encourage what she thinks and just let her know that it's not all about doing the most glamorous or well regarded degree. Just let her know you want her to do something she's happy with, she doesn't have to try and impress anyone. It is important, I think, to try and get as much of a feel of the place she would live in as possible as it can have a big impact on how enjoyable the experience is.

    It's not the end of the world if she chooses the wrong course because there's always the possibility of change. I chose something I thought I'd love and ended up hating it, dropping out, and doing a different course in a different place which I was incredibly happy with.

    Best of luck, hope she's happy with whatever choice she makes.
  • I think the year out option is a good one - if she's not sure what she wants to do then it would give her time to think - there's a lot out there with generic, non vocational "my best subject at school" degrees which are of limited use.

    One thought on the accounting, could Economics offer up some more interesting modules?

    If she likes science and has the grades, Forensic Science us interesting if popular because of the CSI factor etc. But it won't go away as a job, on the job training afterwards would be the new techniques etc.
  • limeygent said:

    Computer Science, if available, or anything involving programming.

    Yes, her answer to my question 'What about Computer Science' , her answer was 'cool' .
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  • Just recently finished uni and I don't really think that it's advisable to push or lead her down any particular route. Best to encourage what she thinks and just let her know that it's not all about doing the most glamorous or well regarded degree. Just let her know you want her to do something she's happy with, she doesn't have to try and impress anyone. It is important, I think, to try and get as much of a feel of the place she would live in as possible as it can have a big impact on how enjoyable the experience is.

    It's not the end of the world if she chooses the wrong course because there's always the possibility of change. I chose something I thought I'd love and ended up hating it, dropping out, and doing a different course in a different place which I was incredibly happy with.

    Best of luck, hope she's happy with whatever choice she makes.

    Cheers Yann. Some good points.
    BTW, what was the course you were happy with ? and the one you hated?
  • I wouldn't recommend law or accounting either. If she ends up deciding she wants to do either of these she can come to the uk after uni and do them post graduation.

    Silly to close off options at 18.
  • If she is uncertain as to career direction what about a general degree like Philosophy which teaches you how to think and analyse?

    Many universities offer the opportunity for partial specialisation eg the Philosophy of Science or similar.

    Just a thought.
  • Think she needs to make her own choices. Accountancy has helped my uncle travel the world and given him enough money to do as much 'outside' stuff as he wants in his time off. Legal profession is quite interesting if you get into the right bit. Both would give job security, ability to travel and earn a good salary.

    A year out beforehand is definitely a good idea, I did mine after Uni but wish I had done one before too!
  • If she enjoys science...what about medicine or veterinary medicine?

    Or perhaps marine biology?
  • I'm not knocking law or accountancy. I have the ACCA qualification but I also have my degree in materials science and engineering, accountancy was something I took up later to pay the bills.
  • shes's gotta continue with the maths and science .. science and technology are more & more careers of the future .. medical research, computing, robotics, finance, transport systems etc. etc. .. the days when one could study as a hobby are over .. all very well to have interests, to have a prosperous future, a career orientated degree is essential .. hobbies are for down time
  • If she likes maths and science and favours the outdoor life, a mechanical engineering degree might not be a bad option.
  • Mathematicians are always in demand, and if she really enjoys it, she should probably stick with that. As Alwaysneil stated
    above, if she really wants to go for accounting after that she could come to the UK and get a training contract.

    If she wants to become a South African CA, she will probably have to study for a business degree, with a large accounting component. After that there will be three dreary years as the lowest form of human life in a CA's office. That's the REALLY boring bit. Once she is qualified, however, the world will be her oyster, and somebody else will do the boring work. She should also be aware that there are as many bad jokes about economists, mathematicians etc., as there are about accountants.

    I did the ACA in the UK, and spent a lot of time traveling round the world at somebody else's expense. The pay isn't bad, either
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  • limeygent said:

    Computer Science, if available, or anything involving programming.

    Yes, her answer to my question 'What about Computer Science' , her answer was 'cool' .
    I've yet to meet a 'cool' computer programmer! May be clever and minted but man are they missing a bit of the good old common and a sense of humour!!
  • Better "minted" than "cool".
  • I was forced in to making a decision when I left school. Apparently the only option was university or failure.

    "Just choose what subject you enjoyed most in school" was the advice.

    So I did Media Studies. It was alright. Although it quickly became apparent that there were very few employment opportunities and it didn't really feel like something I wanted to pursue. So I packed it in.

    About 5 years later I tried again. "Do what your parents do" was the advice. So I did an education degree with teacher training. I didn't really think much of it to be honest. About the only positive I took from it was meeting my wife! She was probably the only reason I finished the degree to be honest.

    Cut a long and boring story short, I've ended up in engineering which I much prefer. The only thing I've got to show for my time at university is a useless degree and about 15k worth of debt. And a wife.

    I wouldn't change any of it now as ultimately I've ended up where I am now which I'm pretty content with. I'm not really sure what advice I'm trying to give here either actually I'm a bit pissed and rambling! It probably doesn't matter what path you take at the end of the day as long as you figure it out in the end.
  • I didn't go to uni after school but did my degree with the OU in my 20s (a time now sadly well in the past)... and the world has moved on a lot since then. So my advice may be irrelevant, but anyway...

    Get some job adverts for things you'd like to do in three years' time - are they specific about nature of degree, work experience gained (etc), or are they happy with any degree?

    If you're going to be lumbered with a lot of debt, there is pressure to study something that gets a job rather than something you enjoy, which is sad. There is little point (IMO) in studying for a degree in accountancy, as you still have to do the professional exams (they get you some exemptions but not all), so, if manageable, pick something you love doing and finding out about, and, if you have the time and capacity and think you might want to be an accountant, do part-time study of ACCA or CIMA (you can do these yourself without going to college - buy the books, teach yourself, book into exams) - if you do a couple of exams per session (which are 2 a year) then you'll get it done in 4 years; you then need to get a job to get the required 3 years' experience to qualify. In 3 years from now, though, you have a degree in something you've really enjoyed and are part-qualified as an accountant - or you've decided long since accountancy is not for you, nothing wasted but a bit of time.

    For me, being an accountant has opened doors into a variety of interesting jobs - it's quite a wide sector so you can find your niche if working with numbers is your thing - we're not all boring, the jobs in it are not all boring etc - and chat with people who do the sort of jobs you're interested in to get an insight on how much you need a 'relevant degree' and what the actual day-to-day work is like - the 'relevant degree' might be interesting but you never use what you learn on it, or the study sounds fun but the job not, or vice-versa.
  • Didn't 100% read the original post, but in my opinion it absolutely has to be something she's interested in rather than something that's perceived as 'employable' for the sake of it. Accounting isn't fun, it's really not, and if you're doing a degree in something as specialist as that... You'll probably be doing it for the next 40+ years anyway - I'd pick a 'core subject' that's related but broader (also a good insurance if you change your mind!) like, say... Maths instead of Accounting. You can always do a specialist qualification (like an ACA), usually for free, when you're at work.

    Computing is as close as you can get to guaranteeing making a fortune in the future, but if you aren't interested in it (and most aren't), that's not the career for you.

    If it's a subject she likes - she'll enjoy it, do better at it as a result - and actually the end grade often matters more than subject (as long as it's not a 'joke' subject)... and you can train to be an accountant or whatever after graduating.
  • Best advice is to take something she's good at and enjoys. Can always get into law or accountancy with a science degree for example, and it might even open up other avenues such as intellectual property law. Science degrees tend to be well regarded... bit if she wants something vocational then something medical might not be a bad shout
  • edited June 2016
    This is a degree course offered in Calgary which is on the doorstep of vast swathes of outdoorsy stuff. Lots of my friends over here own or work for outdoors oriented businesses - not sure if they needed this corse to get into it - but if you want to work in tourism it could be a good option - maybe there is something similar over there

    http://www.mtroyal.ca/ProgramsCourses/FacultiesSchoolsCentres/HealthCommunityEducation/Programs/EcotourismandOutdoorLeadership/index.htm
  • Reading this makes me think if only I could turn back the clock....

    Something outdoors?

    Does she like animals?

    Perhaps study biology, chemistry and maths - possible pathway to zoology.

    Sounds like with what she's already got, she could study zoology anyway.
  • I have a degree in literature. Always loved reading, and writing, but even moreso the critical thinking and analysis that went with it.

    I currently work in large scale web applications, doing everything from high level application architecture to contracts to emerging technology research and implementation.

    A lot of people criticize liberal arts degrees, and yet if you can read, write, and think, you can be incredibly successful in whatever you want. I don't say this to try to steer her toward Liberal Arts, far from it, simply to illustrate that if you enjoy what you do, and if you're a critical thinker, you will succeed regardless.

    I have incredibly bright, talented, and successful friends who do not have degrees, and others currently working on PhD level work. The ability to educate yourself, and to be curious (which it sounds like she had in abundance), is so valuable. I know the UK system is far less forgiving of changing your mind, but if she chooses to once she starts something, so be it. So many young people these days have multiple careers and professions, and learning flexibility is also important.

    All the best to her, and to you. You know I've heard they do online courses for wine making...
  • edited June 2016
    I chose to study Law because I had pound signs in my eyes but after one year of it I was so bored I chose another subject (English lit) and started all over again.

    I'm glad I did it because at least I knew it definitely wasn't for me. If someone had talked me out of it beforehand, I may have resented them when I was flat broke for the first 5 years after graduating.

    So I'd only say be careful about advising her too much. She's going to have to make a leap whatever she chooses.

    I think you're on the right track suggesting she choose something she enjoys, three years is an impossibly long time to study something you don't like.

    I'd also suggest a more generalized degree of she doesn't know what she wants to do yet. Law, maths, science can get you into a million different fields whereas something like landscape architecture would restrict her opportunities.
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