Is Katrien really the problem? (After today- yes)
Quite a few people (including myself in the past) have called for Katriens sacking in order for Roland to gain back some trust of the supporters, now I know that she's absolutely awful at interviews, can't keep her most shut among several other character flaws. However, from what I've seen in the past weeks/ month, it is actually her who is trying to steer Roland away from his policy and has really been trying since she started. Now don't get me wrong, yes she's a puppet and yes I really don't like her, but I can't help but feel that get rid of her and a new, more 'suitable' for his needs puppet will be appointed by Roland. I can't help but feel that if anything she's the one thing that's holding Roland back from really ruining the club.
I know I will probably get sniped for this and if somebody has something to say to disprove it then I don't really have an argument, I just thought it may well be worth a discussion.
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Can I ask what you have seen and where? Because I confess I have seen nothing at any time since she was appointed to suggest she's anything other than a toadying lickspittle. Her dismissal will be at best a pyrrhic victory as another bumlicker will be appointed in her place but it would be a real sign that a united fanbase can't be ignored... even by someone like Duchatalet.6
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Katrien likened our protests to racial abuse all by herself.
I see no evidence that Katrien trying to steer Roland, she has failed at the helm in any case, and compounded her ineptitude at regular intervals.6 -
i have heard that her and RM went to see RD and told him to completely change the strategy or sell the club. This was before the end of the season. Believe that or not but it comes from the same cast iron source that told me the new manager deal was done a week ago.6
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Your cast iron source told us the new manager was a former pro footballer thoughDOUCHER said:i have heard that her and RM went to see RD and told him to completely change the strategy or sell the club. This was before the end of the season. Believe that or not but it comes from the same cast iron source that told me the new manager deal was done a week ago.
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incorrect -i never said that - as i told henry earlier - suggest you check back through the threadLeuth said:
Your cast iron source told us the new manager was a former pro footballer thoughDOUCHER said:i have heard that her and RM went to see RD and told him to completely change the strategy or sell the club. This was before the end of the season. Believe that or not but it comes from the same cast iron source that told me the new manager deal was done a week ago.
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Her outburst at the sport conference suggests she has learnt nothing.
That was only last month and it was clear that she hadn't learnt to keep her mouth shut or exercise any sort of communication control.
She hadn't learnt that the club is seen in a very negative light by the rest of football for a good reason. She still thought the club is well run.
She hadn't learnt that she and the regime are to blame for the mess, preferring to blame the fans for protesting and the authorities for not stopping them.
At no point has she learnt that she is a huge part of the problem.
No doubt Roland is the biggest problem but her inability to stand up to him and she "No" for example with the Roland rant press release after the Boro game means that she's has to take the responsibility. Mel Baroni and Fizz Weller resigned. She didn't.
She has made mistake after mistake and not all have been Roland's interference.
Let's be clear. She may or may not have been lobbying for a change of strategy but it is relegation that has made Roland shift tack.
She hasn't said, in public at least, that she was wrong to say that every manager has been an improvement or that player recruitment has been a disaster.
I'm told that to agents reluctant to let their players come to Charlton she is saying in private that things have changed, that while it before "was all run from Brussells now it will be OK as she is in charge". The agent I spoke to still wasn't very reassured.
She's off to Portugal this week, for work, as the FL conference is there. She thinks she'll wow the other CEOs but is a laughing stock with them and with agents.
I tell you what Katrien. You go and I'll buy a season ticket.33 -
She has tried to steer him away! Really?cafc_harry said:I want to start this off by saying I'm still well opposed to the regime and it'll take a lot more than a decent summer and a managerial appointment to appease me.
Quite a few people (including myself in the past) have called for Katriens sacking in order for Roland to gain back some trust of the supporters, now I know that she's absolutely awful at interviews, can't keep her most shut among several other character flaws. However, from what I've seen in the past weeks/ month, it is actually her who is trying to steer Roland away from his policy and has really been trying since she started. Now don't get me wrong, yes she's a puppet and yes I really don't like her, but I can't help but feel that get rid of her and a new, more 'suitable' for his needs puppet will be appointed by Roland. I can't help but feel that if anything she's the one thing that's holding Roland back from really ruining the club.
I know I will probably get sniped for this and if somebody has something to say to disprove it then I don't really have an argument, I just thought it may well be worth a discussion.
Proof would be useful otherwise this is bullshit.1 -
She's not THE problem
She is most definitely PART of the problem10 -
I presume we are paying for her to go to Portugal.0
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May have been Scoham. In which case I apologiseDOUCHER said:
incorrect -i never said that - as i told henry earlier - suggest you check back through the threadLeuth said:
Your cast iron source told us the new manager was a former pro footballer thoughDOUCHER said:i have heard that her and RM went to see RD and told him to completely change the strategy or sell the club. This was before the end of the season. Believe that or not but it comes from the same cast iron source that told me the new manager deal was done a week ago.
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No, we're paying her to go to the Football league conference in Portugal with all the other FL CEOs.seth plum said:I presume we are paying for her to go to Portugal.
There is plenty of things we can throw at her but this isn't one of them.1 -
It makes you laugh, a FL conference for its CEO's, they will all be representing English clubs, so why (stupid question) is it in Portugal?9
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Yes, but is there any CARD presence in Portugal to throw stuff at her?.Henry Irving said:
No, we're paying her to go to the Football league conference in Portugal with all the other FL CEOs.seth plum said:I presume we are paying for her to go to Portugal.
There is plenty of things we can throw at her but this isn't one of them.0 -
Don't really know what proof you can really get, i have seen on several occasions that Katrien has been trying to bring about a change in policy.stonemuse said:
She has tried to steer him away! Really?cafc_harry said:I want to start this off by saying I'm still well opposed to the regime and it'll take a lot more than a decent summer and a managerial appointment to appease me.
Quite a few people (including myself in the past) have called for Katriens sacking in order for Roland to gain back some trust of the supporters, now I know that she's absolutely awful at interviews, can't keep her most shut among several other character flaws. However, from what I've seen in the past weeks/ month, it is actually her who is trying to steer Roland away from his policy and has really been trying since she started. Now don't get me wrong, yes she's a puppet and yes I really don't like her, but I can't help but feel that get rid of her and a new, more 'suitable' for his needs puppet will be appointed by Roland. I can't help but feel that if anything she's the one thing that's holding Roland back from really ruining the club.
I know I will probably get sniped for this and if somebody has something to say to disprove it then I don't really have an argument, I just thought it may well be worth a discussion.
Proof would be useful otherwise this is bullshit.
Just to reply to others, there's no justifying anything she's done in the press at all, but sadly I don't think it can really get much better.0 -
no problem, its not that important anyway....Leuth said:
May have been Scoham. In which case I apologiseDOUCHER said:
incorrect -i never said that - as i told henry earlier - suggest you check back through the threadLeuth said:
Your cast iron source told us the new manager was a former pro footballer thoughDOUCHER said:i have heard that her and RM went to see RD and told him to completely change the strategy or sell the club. This was before the end of the season. Believe that or not but it comes from the same cast iron source that told me the new manager deal was done a week ago.
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Just to be clear, I'm not saying she's not part of the problem at all, what I'm trying to say is that her going will more than likely make things worse. It seems that it's more so Roland on a hellbent quest to prove himself right while she's almost the level head* holding him back.
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Not having a go. It's your opinion, but you are right to pre-meditate someone saying that what you wrote is incorrect, because it is.cafc_harry said:I want to start this off by saying I'm still well opposed to the regime and it'll take a lot more than a decent summer and a managerial appointment to appease me.
Quite a few people (including myself in the past) have called for Katriens sacking in order for Roland to gain back some trust of the supporters, now I know that she's absolutely awful at interviews, can't keep her most shut among several other character flaws. However, from what I've seen in the past weeks/ month, it is actually her who is trying to steer Roland away from his policy and has really been trying since she started. Now don't get me wrong, yes she's a puppet and yes I really don't like her, but I can't help but feel that get rid of her and a new, more 'suitable' for his needs puppet will be appointed by Roland. I can't help but feel that if anything she's the one thing that's holding Roland back from really ruining the club.
I know I will probably get sniped for this and if somebody has something to say to disprove it then I don't really have an argument, I just thought it may well be worth a discussion.
She doesn't give 2 flying f*cks about Charlton and its fanbase and has demonstrated this within her behaviour, many, many times.
Roland brought her in because she IS THIS WAY.
There is no longer a sympathetic grey area of support for her from me. It's crossed the line.
She is useless in probably almost every way.0 -
My understanding is that RM is the driving force behind this change in strategy and that he may well have 'jumped' himself if that had not happened.8
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RM trying to drive a change is certainly more plausible than it being Katrien. Whether anyone CAN actually change Roly's mind about anything is another story entirely...DOUCHER said:My understanding is that RM is the driving force behind this change in strategy and that he may well have 'jumped' himself if that had not happened.
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The owner is a blazing inferno and she is petrol9
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Meire a level head?
Speaking as a woman she has been the biggest let down of all. I was pleased we had a woman CEO. That eventually lead to massive disappointment as it became clear she is totally out of her depth and hopeless at her job.9 -
Is RM your cast iron source by chance?DOUCHER said:My understanding is that RM is the driving force behind this change in strategy and that he may well have 'jumped' himself if that had not happened.
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Proof?DOUCHER said:My understanding is that RM is the driving force behind this change in strategy and that he may well have 'jumped' himself if that had not happened.
Assume RM would probably want to be the 1st one to admit this. Hasn't happened yet....
can't prove anything - it was what i was told - don't understand your next point.Dave2l said:
Proof?DOUCHER said:My understanding is that RM is the driving force behind this change in strategy and that he may well have 'jumped' himself if that had not happened.
Assume RM would probably want to be the 1st one to admit this. Hasn't happened yet....0 -
She is a major part of the problem. It is a question that surely doesn't need to be asked at this stage!0
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Same as Curb_It. I was thinking about how Karen Brady had said that the WH organisation was poor and a lot of change was needed. She set about changing a lot of things and appears to have gained respect. So, at the time, I thought KM might well similarly prove to be the making of CAFC. How wrong can you be ?
She earns her money by doing RD's bidding and I am still not sure who is the biggest fool.
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