Charlton v Maccabi Petah Tikva | Tue 19 July | 5pm KO | Match Preview, Predictions, News & Views

JaShea99

It's probably been covered and I've missed it, but what has happened to Mikhail Kennedy?

ForeverAddickted

JaShea99 said:

It's probably been covered and I've missed it, but what has happened to Mikhail Kennedy?

Probably playing against Dulwich Hamlet tonight.

GetOutOfMyClub

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

No

ValleyGary

blackpool72 said:

If we don't sign a creative centre mid it ain't gonna be easy on the eye to say the least

If there's a creative centre midfielder about it's unlikely he'll be playing in League One.

Valley11

Is Lapslie out there?

seth plum

Better second half.
Novak and Holmes were obliged to play the whole match.
Hard to judge with keepers, but I thought that Phillips, who was fine, was slightly injured, or carrying something.
In the first half Harriott was the only bloke giving it a go to beat a player, otherwise the team tended to take two touches which is fair enough, but were decidedly safety first, and the outlets were long balls.
Didn't think a lot of Crofts, he will make a saving tackle or two, but not creative, tended to slow things up. Buxton seems better on my impressions so far, not sure about Foley.
Johnson is surely not the bloke to build a defence around, Jacko is not getting younger, but there was the very occasional sense of vision, but it didn't come to much.
Umerah, and then his direct replacement Hanlan were good with reasonable support from Novak. Fox the usual I thought. Holmes was better second half where he played inside more it seemed to me.
Not much of an opposition, but at least it was a win.
Hope Umerah is OK because it was a nasty foul.
We certainly need more quality either from the return of injured players, signings, or a magical 18 days.

ricky_otto

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

Level in 10th place on goal difference. Beat Dulwich later and change it to 9th.

uie2

seth plum said:

Better second half.
Novak and Holmes were obliged to play the whole match.
Hard to judge with keepers, but I thought that Phillips, who was fine, was slightly injured, or carrying something.
In the first half Harriott was the only bloke giving it a go to beat a player, otherwise the team tended to take two touches which is fair enough, but were decidedly safety first, and the outlets were long balls.
Didn't think a lot of Crofts, he will make a saving tackle or two, but not creative, tended to slow things up. Buxton seems better on my impressions so far, not sure about Foley.
Johnson is surely not the bloke to build a defence around, Jacko is not getting younger, but there was the very occasional sense of vision, but it didn't come to much.
Umerah, and then his direct replacement Hanlan were good with reasonable support from Novak. Fox the usual I thought. Holmes was better second half where he played inside more it seemed to me.
Not much of an opposition, but at least it was a win.
Hope Umerah is OK because it was a nasty foul.
We certainly need more quality either from the return of injured players, signings, or a magical 18 days.

Crofts is a defensive midfielder!

seth plum

uie2 said:

seth plum said:

Better second half.
Novak and Holmes were obliged to play the whole match.
Hard to judge with keepers, but I thought that Phillips, who was fine, was slightly injured, or carrying something.
In the first half Harriott was the only bloke giving it a go to beat a player, otherwise the team tended to take two touches which is fair enough, but were decidedly safety first, and the outlets were long balls.
Didn't think a lot of Crofts, he will make a saving tackle or two, but not creative, tended to slow things up. Buxton seems better on my impressions so far, not sure about Foley.
Johnson is surely not the bloke to build a defence around, Jacko is not getting younger, but there was the very occasional sense of vision, but it didn't come to much.
Umerah, and then his direct replacement Hanlan were good with reasonable support from Novak. Fox the usual I thought. Holmes was better second half where he played inside more it seemed to me.
Not much of an opposition, but at least it was a win.
Hope Umerah is OK because it was a nasty foul.
We certainly need more quality either from the return of injured players, signings, or a magical 18 days.

Crofts is a defensive midfielder!

I didn't know what he is supposed to be, but I agree he is not a creative midfielder.

SDAddick

uie2 said:

seth plum said:

Better second half.
Novak and Holmes were obliged to play the whole match.
Hard to judge with keepers, but I thought that Phillips, who was fine, was slightly injured, or carrying something.
In the first half Harriott was the only bloke giving it a go to beat a player, otherwise the team tended to take two touches which is fair enough, but were decidedly safety first, and the outlets were long balls.
Didn't think a lot of Crofts, he will make a saving tackle or two, but not creative, tended to slow things up. Buxton seems better on my impressions so far, not sure about Foley.
Johnson is surely not the bloke to build a defence around, Jacko is not getting younger, but there was the very occasional sense of vision, but it didn't come to much.
Umerah, and then his direct replacement Hanlan were good with reasonable support from Novak. Fox the usual I thought. Holmes was better second half where he played inside more it seemed to me.
Not much of an opposition, but at least it was a win.
Hope Umerah is OK because it was a nasty foul.
We certainly need more quality either from the return of injured players, signings, or a magical 18 days.

Crofts is a defensive midfielder!

True, but if we're going to play 4-4-2 he's going to need to pass the ball with at least some competency. Also, he's certainly defensively minded, but he didn't seem to be breaking up play much, seemed to always be on the peripheral of the play without ever really being involved.

That said, I do admit that defensive midfield can be a thankless role, and sometimes it's done best when it's not noticed. Also, Maccabi didn't have the most of attacking intent, which can make the role a bit redundant. All that said, I haven't seen much from him. As a squad player while Diarra and Kashi recover, maybe, but I still think we need two in central midfield.

DamoNorthStand

ValleyGary said:

blackpool72 said:

If we don't sign a creative centre mid it ain't gonna be easy on the eye to say the least

If there's a creative centre midfielder about it's unlikely he'll be playing in League One.

Dale Stephens was when we got him.

C_Jensens_Love_Child

Jesus some of this reading was depressing!!!! and that was just before the game. Yes the team was not the best on paper but then maybe does that show Slade has something about him to instigate winning the game? making us hard to beat? Well not according to some because he's just a lower league manager with no pattern of play. It's a pre season friendly and we still have 3 to go, chill out people.

thenewbie

uie2 said:

seth plum said:

Better second half.
Novak and Holmes were obliged to play the whole match.
Hard to judge with keepers, but I thought that Phillips, who was fine, was slightly injured, or carrying something.
In the first half Harriott was the only bloke giving it a go to beat a player, otherwise the team tended to take two touches which is fair enough, but were decidedly safety first, and the outlets were long balls.
Didn't think a lot of Crofts, he will make a saving tackle or two, but not creative, tended to slow things up. Buxton seems better on my impressions so far, not sure about Foley.
Johnson is surely not the bloke to build a defence around, Jacko is not getting younger, but there was the very occasional sense of vision, but it didn't come to much.
Umerah, and then his direct replacement Hanlan were good with reasonable support from Novak. Fox the usual I thought. Holmes was better second half where he played inside more it seemed to me.
Not much of an opposition, but at least it was a win.
Hope Umerah is OK because it was a nasty foul.
We certainly need more quality either from the return of injured players, signings, or a magical 18 days.

Crofts is a defensive midfielder!

So was Danny Hollands, but he could still at least get things moving, at League One level at any rate. Winning the ball back is no use to anyone if the oppo can hare back and defend whilst we're dawdling over a pass... again.

blackpool72

ValleyGary said:

blackpool72 said:

If we don't sign a creative centre mid it ain't gonna be easy on the eye to say the least

If there's a creative centre midfielder about it's unlikely he'll be playing in League One.

Tell me that when you see our midfield overrun this season

SDAddick

C_Jensens_Love_Child said:

Jesus some of this reading was depressing!!!! and that was just before the game. Yes the team was not the best on paper but then maybe does that show Slade has something about him to instigate winning the game? making us hard to beat? Well not according to some because he's just a lower league manager with no pattern of play. It's a pre season friendly and we still have 3 to go, chill out people.

Just quote me next time!!!!

Agreed, this is just pre-season, and I don't think this will be our team at Bury. But they've been doing two-a-days in Austria for a week, and have just entered the third week of pre-season. I would expect to see more of a game plan emerging by now. I completely agree that it's still quite early, and the tendency toward long balls (particularly in the first half) could be a result of tired legs as much as anything. I was just going on what I'd seen to that point, and it looked bereft of ideas.

Godstone

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

Yes. it does.

Lincsaddick

Umerah taking some stick will toughen him up .. I expect to see him as a first team regular alongside Ajosé by (say) Christmas

seth plum

There are a range of views here, with a few themes being repeated more than once. All valid, all observations, and all welcome.

Todds_right_hook

ricky_otto said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

Level in 10th place on goal difference. Beat Dulwich later and change it to 9th.

what if we draw?

ricky_otto

Todds_right_hook said:

ricky_otto said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

Level in 10th place on goal difference. Beat Dulwich later and change it to 9th.

what if we draw?

Depends if we come from behind to draw or throw a lead away.

Lincsaddick

ricky_otto said:

Todds_right_hook said:

ricky_otto said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

Level in 10th place on goal difference. Beat Dulwich later and change it to 9th.

what if we draw?

Depends if we come from behind to draw or throw a lead away.

oi .. ROtto .. it's MorecAmbe

East_Stand_Loopy

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

You don't get it, do you?

If we win, it doesn't count, as it's only a pre-season game, and means nothing when the season starts...

HOWEVER, if we lose, "it's going to be a long season", "we're going to be relegated", "sack the manager", etc etc...

Nothing Charlton do can ever be positive...

"Charlton Athletic fans: only happy when they're miserable since 1905..."

soapy_jones

Yay!!

blackpool72

East_Stand_Loopy said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

You don't get it, do you?

If we win, it doesn't count, as it's only a pre-season game, and means nothing when the season starts...

HOWEVER, if we lose, "it's going to be a long season", "we're going to be relegated", "sack the manager", etc etc...

Nothing Charlton do can ever be positive...

"Charlton Athletic fans: only happy when they're miserable since 1905..."

Bit harsh

ricky_otto

Lincsaddick said:

ricky_otto said:

Todds_right_hook said:

ricky_otto said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

Level in 10th place on goal difference. Beat Dulwich later and change it to 9th.

what if we draw?

Depends if we come from behind to draw or throw a lead away.

oi .. ROtto .. it's MorecAmbe

Noted

East_Stand_Loopy

blackpool72 said:

East_Stand_Loopy said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

You don't get it, do you?

If we win, it doesn't count, as it's only a pre-season game, and means nothing when the season starts...

HOWEVER, if we lose, "it's going to be a long season", "we're going to be relegated", "sack the manager", etc etc...

Nothing Charlton do can ever be positive...

"Charlton Athletic fans: only happy when they're miserable since 1905..."

Bit harsh

Any more harsh than this?

DamoNorthStand said:

Feck me, that teams a lump of steaming turd.

blackpool72

East_Stand_Loopy said:

blackpool72 said:

East_Stand_Loopy said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

You don't get it, do you?

If we win, it doesn't count, as it's only a pre-season game, and means nothing when the season starts...

HOWEVER, if we lose, "it's going to be a long season", "we're going to be relegated", "sack the manager", etc etc...

Nothing Charlton do can ever be positive...

"Charlton Athletic fans: only happy when they're miserable since 1905..."

Bit harsh

Any more harsh than this?

DamoNorthStand said:

Feck me, that teams a lump of steaming turd.

Er no you have a point lol

DamoNorthStand

East_Stand_Loopy said:

blackpool72 said:

East_Stand_Loopy said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

You don't get it, do you?

If we win, it doesn't count, as it's only a pre-season game, and means nothing when the season starts...

HOWEVER, if we lose, "it's going to be a long season", "we're going to be relegated", "sack the manager", etc etc...

Nothing Charlton do can ever be positive...

"Charlton Athletic fans: only happy when they're miserable since 1905..."

Bit harsh

Any more harsh than this?

DamoNorthStand said:

Feck me, that teams a lump of steaming turd.

As someone rightfully pointed out, the team is past steaming.

It is now a dried and crusted out dog turd that has rolled in to the gutter.

soapy_jones

Yay!!

DamoNorthStand said:

East_Stand_Loopy said:

blackpool72 said:

East_Stand_Loopy said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

You don't get it, do you?

If we win, it doesn't count, as it's only a pre-season game, and means nothing when the season starts...

HOWEVER, if we lose, "it's going to be a long season", "we're going to be relegated", "sack the manager", etc etc...

Nothing Charlton do can ever be positive...

"Charlton Athletic fans: only happy when they're miserable since 1905..."

Bit harsh

Any more harsh than this?

DamoNorthStand said:

Feck me, that teams a lump of steaming turd.

As someone rightfully pointed out, the team is past steaming.

It is now a dried and crusted out dog turd that has rolled in to the gutter.

In the dog turd stakes, i have always thought of this Charlton as the dried out white dog shit that was more prevalent when i was a nipper in the 70's...

blackpool72

soapy_jones said:

Yay!!

DamoNorthStand said:

East_Stand_Loopy said:

blackpool72 said:

East_Stand_Loopy said:

ross1 said:

All the doom and gloom after losing 0-1 to the Russians, does this mean after winning 1-0 today we will win the league

You don't get it, do you?

If we win, it doesn't count, as it's only a pre-season game, and means nothing when the season starts...

HOWEVER, if we lose, "it's going to be a long season", "we're going to be relegated", "sack the manager", etc etc...

Nothing Charlton do can ever be positive...

"Charlton Athletic fans: only happy when they're miserable since 1905..."

Bit harsh

Any more harsh than this?

DamoNorthStand said:

Feck me, that teams a lump of steaming turd.

As someone rightfully pointed out, the team is past steaming.

It is now a dried and crusted out dog turd that has rolled in to the gutter.

In the dog turd stakes, i have always thought of this Charlton as the dried out white dog shit that was more prevalent when i was a nipper in the 70's...

The dried out white ones are digested bones
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