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  • May be of limited interest but just as i was thinking about finally canning my HSBC UK account, I learnt (from the MSE forum) about the new Global Money account, which is a simple add-on if you already have a current account with them.

    As I understand it, you get a big-choice multiple currency account, and you can shift your money between currencies, both free of fees and at nearly mid-market rate. This would apparently allow you to keep currencies as an investment/hedge. Then you can also get a debit card which would allow you to pay in the local currency of the country you are in. 

    I don't think I've missed any catch, but please correct me if I have. Assuming not, then among other things its a tribute to the OpenBanking project started in 2017 which I was only dimly aware of until I read in an FT article the other day. Basically that has encouraged the wave of new banks, and currency exchanges such as Wise who want to offer bank services, all of whom have been eating HSBC's lunch. Now HSBC have had enough, and the winners are us punters. As a regular critic of the banking sector and what they've been allowed to get away with over the years, I feel duty bound to give a round of applause to this.
  • Gatehouse Bank moved my easy access from 2.8% to 2.9% this morning. Now whether that’s a late change from Decembers rate increase, or is in anticipation of this weeks BOE meeting, not sure. However, still doesn’t beat my Kent Reliance 3% ( only available to existing customers). Great to finally see some return from cash, although as we know still losing money due to inflation. 
  • Hi all, I have a question about the (bond heavy) Vanguard LS20 fund - I know it's a passionate one for @PragueAddick . Most of my Vanguard ISA is in the LS100 (100% equity) - I'm in my early 30s so am in for the long haul. I moved a small portion over to LS20 in Sept 2021 thinking it would be a steadier option in case I wanted to use it for anything in the mid term - I now know that wasn't particularly well thought through, esp. given I already have a separate emergency cash fund in a savings account. 

    Hindsight is 20/20 and obviously LS20 tanked almost instantly after I bought in - that chunk of my ISA is now down about 20%. My question is this: given my plan is long term passive investing, should I take the loss on LS20 and go all in on equities? I know bonds are expected to creep back up to where they were over the next few years, but in the long term my assumption would be that the equity funds will outpace the bonds. If I was starting with the LS20 investment as a lump sum now I'd put it all into equities - just trying to work out if there's a solid counterargument for leaving the LS20 investment where it is. 

    Any thoughts very welcome - thanks in advance. 
  • hermann said:
    Hi all, I have a question about the (bond heavy) Vanguard LS20 fund - I know it's a passionate one for @PragueAddick . Most of my Vanguard ISA is in the LS100 (100% equity) - I'm in my early 30s so am in for the long haul. I moved a small portion over to LS20 in Sept 2021 thinking it would be a steadier option in case I wanted to use it for anything in the mid term - I now know that wasn't particularly well thought through, esp. given I already have a separate emergency cash fund in a savings account. 

    Hindsight is 20/20 and obviously LS20 tanked almost instantly after I bought in - that chunk of my ISA is now down about 20%. My question is this: given my plan is long term passive investing, should I take the loss on LS20 and go all in on equities? I know bonds are expected to creep back up to where they were over the next few years, but in the long term my assumption would be that the equity funds will outpace the bonds. If I was starting with the LS20 investment as a lump sum now I'd put it all into equities - just trying to work out if there's a solid counterargument for leaving the LS20 investment where it is. 

    Any thoughts very welcome - thanks in advance. 
    @PragueAddick knows my views on this & I've attached Vanguard's Q4 newsletter for reference.

    The main issue you have to remember is that the LS funds are index trackers and therefore will follow the market in good times & bad. Because of inflation, rising interest rates & Truss/Kwarteng 2022 was a very bad year for fixed interest. An active fund manager, especially one that manages a Strategic Bond fund can move out of UK Gilts & Bonds (to a certain extent) and into assets that might do better. Vanguard funds can't do this.

    I've often get told that Vanguard are superb because their charges are low. Last year showed why paying an extra 0.4% for active management might save your portfolio.  

    And listening to Vaguards Webinar last week their Fixed Income bod said that Bonds might not recover until 2030 !!!
  • @golfaddick

    He said what??? Cue mass sale of Vanguard LS 20 and 40 and one unemployed bod 🤣

    @hermann Golfie is generally correct. But fact is, LS20 has recovered about 6 points from its Kamikwaze low - which is a reminder not to over-react, especially at your age. 

    Nobody can yet be sure when and how bonds recover and whether the old 60:40 mix is finished - still less what should replace it. My tactic in your shoes would be:

    - before selling anything have a plan for what you want to buy with the proceeds

    - sell in smaller chunks, on a rising market. Set a target price for each sell. 

    - for the next few months read a lot about how people see fixed interest developing. At the moment I still think fixed interest will have a place as ballast in most portfolios. But especially on this, there are several people on here who understand bonds far better than I do.
  • @hermann First of all let me say I'm not an IFA so can't give advice, just an educated amateur. 
    Early 30's and in for the long haul certainly means equities are the place to be and not gilts. Over any decent length of period in history (say 7 years) equities have always outperformed. Important that you have international spread not just UK. personally have always been overweight in USA and this has regularly outperformed. 
    Agree Prague's advice on tactics.
    As to professional advice I would partly say it depends on amount involved although I personally have always been sceptical of the added value. How many funds/professional advisers were saying gilts and bonds were bound to fall at the start of 2022? 
  • edited January 2023
    redman said:
    @hermann First of all let me say I'm not an IFA so can't give advice, just an educated amateur. 
    Early 30's and in for the long haul certainly means equities are the place to be and not gilts. Over any decent length of period in history (say 7 years) equities have always outperformed. Important that you have international spread not just UK. personally have always been overweight in USA and this has regularly outperformed. 
    Agree Prague's advice on tactics.
    As to professional advice I would partly say it depends on amount involved although I personally have always been sceptical of the added value. How many funds/professional advisers were saying gilts and bonds were bound to fall at the start of 2022? 
    I moved clients out of Bonds & into Absolute/Diversified Return strategies in Q1 last year. My SIPP was the same value on Dec 31st as it was in May as I didnt suffer much from the Truss /Kwarteng shambles in late September/early October. Still not holding any direct Fixed Interest funds. 
  • @golfaddick

    He said what??? Cue mass sale of Vanguard LS 20 and 40 and one unemployed bod 🤣

    @hermann Golfie is generally correct. But fact is, LS20 has recovered about 6 points from its Kamikwaze low - which is a reminder not to over-react, especially at your age. 

    Nobody can yet be sure when and how bonds recover and whether the old 60:40 mix is finished - still less what should replace it. My tactic in your shoes would be:

    - before selling anything have a plan for what you want to buy with the proceeds

    - sell in smaller chunks, on a rising market. Set a target price for each sell. 

    - for the next few months read a lot about how people see fixed interest developing. At the moment I still think fixed interest will have a place as ballast in most portfolios. But especially on this, there are several people on here who understand bonds far better than I do.
    But what are other funds up by in that time, many much more than 6 points. My Pension was yesterday back at an all time high.

    BTW - you are correct re HSBC, no catch.
  • redman said:
    @hermann First of all let me say I'm not an IFA so can't give advice, just an educated amateur. 
    Early 30's and in for the long haul certainly means equities are the place to be and not gilts. Over any decent length of period in history (say 7 years) equities have always outperformed. Important that you have international spread not just UK. personally have always been overweight in USA and this has regularly outperformed. 
    Agree Prague's advice on tactics.
    As to professional advice I would partly say it depends on amount involved although I personally have always been sceptical of the added value. How many funds/professional advisers were saying gilts and bonds were bound to fall at the start of 2022? 
    I moved clients out of Bonds & into Absolute/Diversified Return strategies in Q1 last year. My SIPP was the same value on Dec 31st as it was in May as I didnt suffer much from the Truss /Kwarteng shambles in late September/early October. Still not holding any direct Fixed Interest funds. 
    Well done. Not many fund managers or IFA's were recomending that or even recomending it now!  And let people not think it was just Truss/Kwarteng. Bonds were already vastly overvalued form all the QE and inflation was building so interest rates were going to rise anyway
  • So these are the entries, do let me know if my butter fingers have put anyone in incorrectly;

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    Pedro457153
    Redman7250
    PragueAddick7300
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    cafcpolo7893
    holyjo7912
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    TheGhostofTomHovi7966
    @TelMc328000
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  • Rob7Lee said:
    @golfaddick

    He said what??? Cue mass sale of Vanguard LS 20 and 40 and one unemployed bod 🤣

    @hermann Golfie is generally correct. But fact is, LS20 has recovered about 6 points from its Kamikwaze low - which is a reminder not to over-react, especially at your age. 

    Nobody can yet be sure when and how bonds recover and whether the old 60:40 mix is finished - still less what should replace it. My tactic in your shoes would be:

    - before selling anything have a plan for what you want to buy with the proceeds

    - sell in smaller chunks, on a rising market. Set a target price for each sell. 

    - for the next few months read a lot about how people see fixed interest developing. At the moment I still think fixed interest will have a place as ballast in most portfolios. But especially on this, there are several people on here who understand bonds far better than I do.
    But what are other funds up by in that time, many much more than 6 points. My Pension was yesterday back at an all time high.

    BTW - you are correct re HSBC, no catch.
    Fine, but if @hermann held LS20 because he wanted "cautious", what would you have had him do? Bail out when it was -21%, and if so, the old question, into what, that meets the "cautious" criterion?. My point was simply, not to panic and end up selling at the bottom. Fortunately he hasn't, and is about 7% less poor as a result.

    It's also useful that you've posted up the Lifers predictions as this illustrates the dilemma. Let's say @hermann and I sell LS20 today. What shall we  buy with it today. ? Currently FTSE 100 is at 7778. What do Lifers expect it to do for the rest of the year? Most of the 38 respondents forecast it to go negative from here. Three whom I consider to have a better feel for markets than i do, forecast a decline of between 9% - 14%. You yourself forecast virtually zero growth. The most optimistic forecast calls for 2.9%.growth

    Meanwhile we can pop along to Charter Savings Bank and take out a one year fixed interest bond, backed by the govt. guarantee system, and receive 4.1%.

    I'm sure plenty of equities in one form or another are the answer for @hermann in the long term. But for the next 12-18 months? Not necessarily. Certainly, no rush...

       
  • Rob7Lee said:
    So these are the entries, do let me know if my butter fingers have put anyone in incorrectly;

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    Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch 6500
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    Redman7250
    PragueAddick7300
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    Bangkokaddick7767
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    cafcpolo7893
    holyjo7912
    HardyAddick7913
    TheGhostofTomHovi7966
    @TelMc328000
    Interesting that @golfaddick and @WishIdStayedinthePub - 2 guys who seem to know their onions - are at different ends of the spectrum.

    Either of you want to admit defeat yet? :-) 
  • A lot of what I read is painting a gloomy picture of the near term prospects for the market. I'm keeping a close eye on my assets which are currently split as property 40% (we will downsize next year and the cash released will be invested), cash 20%, equities 10% and private pensions 30% (effectively equities). My intention is to feed the released cash into equities via ISAs as far as possible but I'm in no rush for that at the moment. The 20k per person limit is a useful brake on the temptation to plunge in. I am more likely to be a seller than a buyer until there's more confidence about anyway. This might take six months, but who knows?
    Interest rate decisions today and tomorrow will likely serve to push up instant access rates a little bit, but longer term fixes are unlikely to move much as the rises are largely built in, I think. With inflation falling only very slowly, it's really difficult to identify a sound short term action that will preserve the value of your cash.
    My best return over the past 12 months has been my bet365 account, and that might be true for the next 12 too. Sorry bob!
  • IdleHans said:
    A lot of what I read is painting a gloomy picture of the near term prospects for the market. I'm keeping a close eye on my assets which are currently split as property 40% (we will downsize next year and the cash released will be invested), cash 20%, equities 10% and private pensions 30% (effectively equities). My intention is to feed the released cash into equities via ISAs as far as possible but I'm in no rush for that at the moment. The 20k per person limit is a useful brake on the temptation to plunge in. I am more likely to be a seller than a buyer until there's more confidence about anyway. This might take six months, but who knows?
    Interest rate decisions today and tomorrow will likely serve to push up instant access rates a little bit, but longer term fixes are unlikely to move much as the rises are largely built in, I think. With inflation falling only very slowly, it's really difficult to identify a sound short term action that will preserve the value of your cash.
    My best return over the past 12 months has been my bet365 account, and that might be true for the next 12 too. Sorry bob!

    Thanks for letting me know - I'll be having words with the Traders tomorrow.
  • Rob7Lee said:
    @golfaddick

    He said what??? Cue mass sale of Vanguard LS 20 and 40 and one unemployed bod 🤣

    @hermann Golfie is generally correct. But fact is, LS20 has recovered about 6 points from its Kamikwaze low - which is a reminder not to over-react, especially at your age. 

    Nobody can yet be sure when and how bonds recover and whether the old 60:40 mix is finished - still less what should replace it. My tactic in your shoes would be:

    - before selling anything have a plan for what you want to buy with the proceeds

    - sell in smaller chunks, on a rising market. Set a target price for each sell. 

    - for the next few months read a lot about how people see fixed interest developing. At the moment I still think fixed interest will have a place as ballast in most portfolios. But especially on this, there are several people on here who understand bonds far better than I do.
    But what are other funds up by in that time, many much more than 6 points. My Pension was yesterday back at an all time high.

    BTW - you are correct re HSBC, no catch.
    Fine, but if @hermann held LS20 because he wanted "cautious", what would you have had him do? Bail out when it was -21%, and if so, the old question, into what, that meets the "cautious" criterion?. My point was simply, not to panic and end up selling at the bottom. Fortunately he hasn't, and is about 7% less poor as a result.

    It's also useful that you've posted up the Lifers predictions as this illustrates the dilemma. Let's say @hermann and I sell LS20 today. What shall we  buy with it today. ? Currently FTSE 100 is at 7778. What do Lifers expect it to do for the rest of the year? Most of the 38 respondents forecast it to go negative from here. Three whom I consider to have a better feel for markets than i do, forecast a decline of between 9% - 14%. You yourself forecast virtually zero growth. The most optimistic forecast calls for 2.9%.growth

    Meanwhile we can pop along to Charter Savings Bank and take out a one year fixed interest bond, backed by the govt. guarantee system, and receive 4.1%.

    I'm sure plenty of equities in one form or another are the answer for @hermann in the long term. But for the next 12-18 months? Not necessarily. Certainly, no rush...

       
    Fair point re risk levels (if you were in the LS20), the lower risk end is much more difficult I guess (I still tend to go to the higher end of risk levels at the moment but will look to reduce in 3 years time). 

    I personally don't see the FTSE100 gaining much more momentum, but you still have dividends to consider. I jumped more back into the S&P500 as feel that has potential to regain further, and one of my best performers has been FTSE Developed Europe UCITS ETF, up 13% since June.

    I'll probably salary sacrifice most of my bonus in March as tax efficient and the company tops it up by 10% if you do, will go as high a risk as possible with that, purely on the basis in my twisted mind I'm up nearly 70% before I've even invested it so can go risk heavy.
  • Rob7Lee said:
    Rob7Lee said:
    @golfaddick

    He said what??? Cue mass sale of Vanguard LS 20 and 40 and one unemployed bod 🤣

    @hermann Golfie is generally correct. But fact is, LS20 has recovered about 6 points from its Kamikwaze low - which is a reminder not to over-react, especially at your age. 

    Nobody can yet be sure when and how bonds recover and whether the old 60:40 mix is finished - still less what should replace it. My tactic in your shoes would be:

    - before selling anything have a plan for what you want to buy with the proceeds

    - sell in smaller chunks, on a rising market. Set a target price for each sell. 

    - for the next few months read a lot about how people see fixed interest developing. At the moment I still think fixed interest will have a place as ballast in most portfolios. But especially on this, there are several people on here who understand bonds far better than I do.
    But what are other funds up by in that time, many much more than 6 points. My Pension was yesterday back at an all time high.

    BTW - you are correct re HSBC, no catch.
    Fine, but if @hermann held LS20 because he wanted "cautious", what would you have had him do? Bail out when it was -21%, and if so, the old question, into what, that meets the "cautious" criterion?. My point was simply, not to panic and end up selling at the bottom. Fortunately he hasn't, and is about 7% less poor as a result.

    It's also useful that you've posted up the Lifers predictions as this illustrates the dilemma. Let's say @hermann and I sell LS20 today. What shall we  buy with it today. ? Currently FTSE 100 is at 7778. What do Lifers expect it to do for the rest of the year? Most of the 38 respondents forecast it to go negative from here. Three whom I consider to have a better feel for markets than i do, forecast a decline of between 9% - 14%. You yourself forecast virtually zero growth. The most optimistic forecast calls for 2.9%.growth

    Meanwhile we can pop along to Charter Savings Bank and take out a one year fixed interest bond, backed by the govt. guarantee system, and receive 4.1%.

    I'm sure plenty of equities in one form or another are the answer for @hermann in the long term. But for the next 12-18 months? Not necessarily. Certainly, no rush...

       
    Fair point re risk levels (if you were in the LS20), the lower risk end is much more difficult I guess (I still tend to go to the higher end of risk levels at the moment but will look to reduce in 3 years time). 

    I personally don't see the FTSE100 gaining much more momentum, but you still have dividends to consider. I jumped more back into the S&P500 as feel that has potential to regain further, and one of my best performers has been FTSE Developed Europe UCITS ETF, up 13% since June.

    I'll probably salary sacrifice most of my bonus in March as tax efficient and the company tops it up by 10% if you do, will go as high a risk as possible with that, purely on the basis in my twisted mind I'm up nearly 70% before I've even invested it so can go risk heavy.
    Salary Sacrifice is a great option, can’t believe I worked with so many at Lloyds Banking Group who didn’t take advantage. Although, will it survive the next Budget, which could target pension advantages.
  • Rob7Lee said:
    So these are the entries, do let me know if my butter fingers have put anyone in incorrectly;

    NameLevel
    Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch 6500
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    Pedro457153
    Redman7250
    PragueAddick7300
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    Thread Killer7423
    Fortune 82nd Minute7440
    Covered End7508
    CAFCWest7510
    Salad7511
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    cafcpolo7893
    holyjo7912
    HardyAddick7913
    TheGhostofTomHovi7966
    @TelMc328000
    Get in!  I’ve cornered the 8,000 and above market 🥳
  • TelMc32 said:
    Rob7Lee said:
    So these are the entries, do let me know if my butter fingers have put anyone in incorrectly;

    NameLevel
    Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch 6500
    WishIdStayedInThe Pub6625
    bobmunro6950
    oohaahmortimer7077
    meldrew667117
    Pedro457153
    Redman7250
    PragueAddick7300
    wwaddick7350
    Thread Killer7423
    Fortune 82nd Minute7440
    Covered End7508
    CAFCWest7510
    Salad7511
    Morboe7554
    cafc7-6htfc7600
    LargeAddick7647
    blackpool727650
    Addick Addict7652
    guinnessaddick7658
    Jon_CAFC_7675
    fat man on a moped7685
    RalphMilne7689
    thecat7710
    IdleHans7745
    Bangkokaddick7767
    CharltonKerry7777
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    Daarrrzzettbum7800
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    golfaddick7824
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    valleynick667856
    cafcpolo7893
    holyjo7912
    HardyAddick7913
    TheGhostofTomHovi7966
    @TelMc328000
    Get in!  I’ve cornered the 8,000 and above market 🥳

    I'm sure I put up 8001, or was it 6499?
  • Rob7Lee said:
    So these are the entries, do let me know if my butter fingers have put anyone in incorrectly;

    NameLevel
    Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch 6500
    WishIdStayedInThe Pub6625
    bobmunro6950
    oohaahmortimer7077
    meldrew667117
    Pedro457153
    Redman7250
    PragueAddick7300
    wwaddick7350
    Thread Killer7423
    Fortune 82nd Minute7440
    Covered End7508
    CAFCWest7510
    Salad7511
    Morboe7554
    cafc7-6htfc7600
    LargeAddick7647
    blackpool727650
    Addick Addict7652
    guinnessaddick7658
    Jon_CAFC_7675
    fat man on a moped7685
    RalphMilne7689
    thecat7710
    IdleHans7745
    Bangkokaddick7767
    CharltonKerry7777
    Rob7Lee7785
    Daarrrzzettbum7800
    aitchyaddick7809
    golfaddick7824
    StrikerFirmani7840
    valleynick667856
    cafcpolo7893
    holyjo7912
    HardyAddick7913
    TheGhostofTomHovi7966
    @TelMc328000
    Interesting that @golfaddick and @WishIdStayedinthePub - 2 guys who seem to know their onions - are at different ends of the spectrum.

    Either of you want to admit defeat yet? :-) 
    Forecasting is difficult, particularly when it's about the future :-)
  • Rob7Lee said:
    Rob7Lee said:
    @golfaddick

    He said what??? Cue mass sale of Vanguard LS 20 and 40 and one unemployed bod 🤣

    @hermann Golfie is generally correct. But fact is, LS20 has recovered about 6 points from its Kamikwaze low - which is a reminder not to over-react, especially at your age. 

    Nobody can yet be sure when and how bonds recover and whether the old 60:40 mix is finished - still less what should replace it. My tactic in your shoes would be:

    - before selling anything have a plan for what you want to buy with the proceeds

    - sell in smaller chunks, on a rising market. Set a target price for each sell. 

    - for the next few months read a lot about how people see fixed interest developing. At the moment I still think fixed interest will have a place as ballast in most portfolios. But especially on this, there are several people on here who understand bonds far better than I do.
    But what are other funds up by in that time, many much more than 6 points. My Pension was yesterday back at an all time high.

    BTW - you are correct re HSBC, no catch.
    Fine, but if @hermann held LS20 because he wanted "cautious", what would you have had him do? Bail out when it was -21%, and if so, the old question, into what, that meets the "cautious" criterion?. My point was simply, not to panic and end up selling at the bottom. Fortunately he hasn't, and is about 7% less poor as a result.

    It's also useful that you've posted up the Lifers predictions as this illustrates the dilemma. Let's say @hermann and I sell LS20 today. What shall we  buy with it today. ? Currently FTSE 100 is at 7778. What do Lifers expect it to do for the rest of the year? Most of the 38 respondents forecast it to go negative from here. Three whom I consider to have a better feel for markets than i do, forecast a decline of between 9% - 14%. You yourself forecast virtually zero growth. The most optimistic forecast calls for 2.9%.growth

    Meanwhile we can pop along to Charter Savings Bank and take out a one year fixed interest bond, backed by the govt. guarantee system, and receive 4.1%.

    I'm sure plenty of equities in one form or another are the answer for @hermann in the long term. But for the next 12-18 months? Not necessarily. Certainly, no rush...

       
    Fair point re risk levels (if you were in the LS20), the lower risk end is much more difficult I guess (I still tend to go to the higher end of risk levels at the moment but will look to reduce in 3 years time). 

    I personally don't see the FTSE100 gaining much more momentum, but you still have dividends to consider. I jumped more back into the S&P500 as feel that has potential to regain further, and one of my best performers has been FTSE Developed Europe UCITS ETF, up 13% since June.

    I'll probably salary sacrifice most of my bonus in March as tax efficient and the company tops it up by 10% if you do, will go as high a risk as possible with that, purely on the basis in my twisted mind I'm up nearly 70% before I've even invested it so can go risk heavy.
    Salary Sacrifice is a great option, can’t believe I worked with so many at Lloyds Banking Group who didn’t take advantage. Although, will it survive the next Budget, which could target pension advantages.
    Rumours going around that the Lifetime Allowance could be increased. Not sure if that would go down well with the general public as it favours those with big retirement pots but it's such an unknown amongst a lot of people it would probably fly under the radar. I think the AA needs amending first, especially for those in DB schemes as they have no way of monitoring it's worth & ots only after the end of the tax year can you calculate it. Bonkers really. 
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  • Despite my pessimism for the next 6 months, I'm very positive medium term (3-5 years).  

    There's lots of talk that we are in the middle of a 2001/2 pattern, which would imply about a 50% drop in the US markets from where they are now.  That strikes me as overdone.  Lots of people are talking about S&P at 2300-2600, which is possible.  But so is a rally from here.

    I can see the markets reacting badly to any bad news on earnings and forecasts (on individual stocks) and may be being a bit overly bullish on the view that rates will drop soon (we may get a glimpse of that at 7pm tonight).  

    But I think there are two things that are different to the 2001/2 bubble: (1) information is much more readily available and global markets react that much more quickly to it - there has already been some serious carnage in the very risky assets that are equivalent to late nineties tech stocks (cryptos, SPACs, memes, canabis, etc.). (2) inflation was (mainly) caused by supply chain issues that are now being fixed. As long as wage inflation can be kept under control, I see quality businesses powering through this next 12-18 months.  There's also a lot of companies out there with no debt that are trading at historically low PEs - there's a lot of downside priced in.

    The 6 month pessimistic view is that markets always over-correct first, but I'm pretty fully invested on the 3-5 year view, slightly hedged (options are cheap right now) and keeping some money on the sides for some short term bargains.
  • Rob7Lee said:
    Rob7Lee said:
    @golfaddick

    He said what??? Cue mass sale of Vanguard LS 20 and 40 and one unemployed bod 🤣

    @hermann Golfie is generally correct. But fact is, LS20 has recovered about 6 points from its Kamikwaze low - which is a reminder not to over-react, especially at your age. 

    Nobody can yet be sure when and how bonds recover and whether the old 60:40 mix is finished - still less what should replace it. My tactic in your shoes would be:

    - before selling anything have a plan for what you want to buy with the proceeds

    - sell in smaller chunks, on a rising market. Set a target price for each sell. 

    - for the next few months read a lot about how people see fixed interest developing. At the moment I still think fixed interest will have a place as ballast in most portfolios. But especially on this, there are several people on here who understand bonds far better than I do.
    But what are other funds up by in that time, many much more than 6 points. My Pension was yesterday back at an all time high.

    BTW - you are correct re HSBC, no catch.
    Fine, but if @hermann held LS20 because he wanted "cautious", what would you have had him do? Bail out when it was -21%, and if so, the old question, into what, that meets the "cautious" criterion?. My point was simply, not to panic and end up selling at the bottom. Fortunately he hasn't, and is about 7% less poor as a result.

    It's also useful that you've posted up the Lifers predictions as this illustrates the dilemma. Let's say @hermann and I sell LS20 today. What shall we  buy with it today. ? Currently FTSE 100 is at 7778. What do Lifers expect it to do for the rest of the year? Most of the 38 respondents forecast it to go negative from here. Three whom I consider to have a better feel for markets than i do, forecast a decline of between 9% - 14%. You yourself forecast virtually zero growth. The most optimistic forecast calls for 2.9%.growth

    Meanwhile we can pop along to Charter Savings Bank and take out a one year fixed interest bond, backed by the govt. guarantee system, and receive 4.1%.

    I'm sure plenty of equities in one form or another are the answer for @hermann in the long term. But for the next 12-18 months? Not necessarily. Certainly, no rush...

       
    Fair point re risk levels (if you were in the LS20), the lower risk end is much more difficult I guess (I still tend to go to the higher end of risk levels at the moment but will look to reduce in 3 years time). 

    I personally don't see the FTSE100 gaining much more momentum, but you still have dividends to consider. I jumped more back into the S&P500 as feel that has potential to regain further, and one of my best performers has been FTSE Developed Europe UCITS ETF, up 13% since June.

    I'll probably salary sacrifice most of my bonus in March as tax efficient and the company tops it up by 10% if you do, will go as high a risk as possible with that, purely on the basis in my twisted mind I'm up nearly 70% before I've even invested it so can go risk heavy.
    True. I always make the mistake of forgetting that.
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  • Do you get told if you haven't won anything?

    Just checked on line & there is nothing on there regarding the February draw. Just Dec & Jan. 
  • Do you get told if you haven't won anything?

    Just checked on line & there is nothing on there regarding the February draw. Just Dec & Jan. 
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  • bobmunro said:
    IdleHans said:
    A lot of what I read is painting a gloomy picture of the near term prospects for the market. I'm keeping a close eye on my assets which are currently split as property 40% (we will downsize next year and the cash released will be invested), cash 20%, equities 10% and private pensions 30% (effectively equities). My intention is to feed the released cash into equities via ISAs as far as possible but I'm in no rush for that at the moment. The 20k per person limit is a useful brake on the temptation to plunge in. I am more likely to be a seller than a buyer until there's more confidence about anyway. This might take six months, but who knows?
    Interest rate decisions today and tomorrow will likely serve to push up instant access rates a little bit, but longer term fixes are unlikely to move much as the rises are largely built in, I think. With inflation falling only very slowly, it's really difficult to identify a sound short term action that will preserve the value of your cash.
    My best return over the past 12 months has been my bet365 account, and that might be true for the next 12 too. Sorry bob!

    Thanks for letting me know - I'll be having words with the Traders tomorrow.
    My old man was a clever bloke (got all his A'Levels etc etc) but he always reckoned his most significant "certificates" were the letters from William Hill and Joe Coral closing his accounts! 
  • Do you get told if you haven't won anything?

    Just checked on line & there is nothing on there regarding the February draw. Just Dec & Jan. 
    Download the app.
    Checked again.

    Not won anything. 

    Thieving bastards !!! 
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