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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    No further updates yet...
  • billysboots
    billysboots Posts: 1,596
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Surprised Smith isn't getting some minutes, unless he isn't allowed? 
    Time probably better spent with the 1st team i would have thought , if he plays today its probably no training tomorrow, which reduces the time to get working with Bows Jacko and the team.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    billysboots said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Surprised Smith isn't getting some minutes, unless he isn't allowed? 
    Time probably better spent with the 1st team i would have thought , if he plays today its probably no training tomorrow, which reduces the time to get working with Bows Jacko and the team.
    With no game until Saturday you would think blowing away some cobwebs would be useful. Any idea when he last played a game? 
  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Posts: 7,630
    3-3
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    Henry Irving said:
    cafcdave123 said:
    Henry Irving said:
    If only there was somewhere fans could ask Chuks direct questions about his recent form this week.
    it would need to be a social environment, maybe somewhere the fans could also get a drink? 
    That would be ideal.

    Upstairs of a pub or club would be ideal, maybe somewhere close to where many Charlton fans live.
    White Swan?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344

  • billysboots
    billysboots Posts: 1,596
    Cafc43v3r said:
    billysboots said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Surprised Smith isn't getting some minutes, unless he isn't allowed? 
    Time probably better spent with the 1st team i would have thought , if he plays today its probably no training tomorrow, which reduces the time to get working with Bows Jacko and the team.
    With no game until Saturday you would think blowing away some cobwebs would be useful. Any idea when he last played a game? 

    21st Jan last full match - on the bench for the FA cup game on the 25th. Looked to have a pattern of starting one match and then on the bench the next week.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,225
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    90+2' Goal. Watford snatch a late equaliser through Ryan Cassidy right at the death. #wfc 3-3 #cafc
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    FULL TIME | U23s 3-3 Charlton U23s An exciting game ends in a stalemate as the hosts pinch a late, late equaliser. #cafc
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    Was 3-3 the final result?

    Thanks for the updates Henry and Dazzler.


  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Oggy Red said:
    Was 3-3 the final result?

    Thanks for the updates Henry and Dazzler.


    Yep. Finished 3-3. Shame, we could have won that, but the first teams ability to concede late is spreading.  
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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    Cheers, Dazzler. Thanks!


  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,962
    Watford are top so not a bad result.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,456
    I was at the game this afternoon,played at the home of St Albans City,i didn't manage to get a team sheet,but it looked like the trialist was a central defender & the sub trialist came on in the 2nd half as a striker.
    Aneke played as a striker & looked very sharp until being subbed after an hour,Lapslie was subbed at half-time & looked a bit rusty,he was replaced by Odoh,Wiredu was subbed after about 70 minutes & replaced by Dempsey.
    A draw was a fair result in a very entertaining competitive game.
    Messrs Bowyer & Gallen were also there.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,008
    Davo55 said:
    When Chuks is banging them in like this it makes me wonder why Lee is so adamant that he sees him as a midfield player rather than a striker. Surely worth a chance up top if we have further injury problems?
    He sees him as a no 10, which to my mind is playing off the striker.

    So more a forward than a midfielder, but not the main striker.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    The evolution of Football and positions:

    Chuks Aneke is a number "10" or second striker.  For a hundred years it was known as inside right or inside left, and the Number 9 was always the Centre Forward.

    Forwards can be wingers, main striker, second striker ("10")

    Lyle Taylor and Karlan Grant worked so well because they were both main strikers and "wingers".   When Taylor was down the middle, Grant was out wide and vice versa.

    Frank Lampard was technically a midfield player but scored 231 goals at a ratio of 1 in 3 games so took up positions that many second strikers occupied.

    I know 80% of you know this already but for the few that still get confused Aneke has been so far in his career a number 10 or second striker.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,275
    He is such a unit that he will have a huge physical advantage playing U23 footy so not sure goals are a great guide to how he would perform in the first team; but it will give him fitness and confidence and I still reckon an on his game Aneke would be some player at Championship level.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    To be fair to Aneke, injuries have prevented him having the run in the team he needs. I think he could yet turn out to be a great signing for us.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Such a pity Chucks was injured just when we needed him and he could have had a run in the team. Never easy coming on as a sub when everyone needs you to score. Everything other than a goal is going to disappoint and that leads to harsh judgements.
    He is fit enough for at least 20 minutes and I would be surprised if he does not make the bench Saturday.
    A striker on form has got to be a better choice.

    How well did the trialists play?
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,490
    At the start of the season didn't Bowyer suggest him playing at the tip of the diamond, or was just something that was proposed on here? 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,929
    Talal said:
    At the start of the season didn't Bowyer suggest him playing at the tip of the diamond, or was just something that was proposed on here? 
    Yep Bow was very clear he would play there and not upfront. That is where he played most games for MK too.

    That said if he is fit I would prefer him to Hemed as an option off the bench (an I actually think there is a player in Hemed).
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  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,836
    Covered End said:
    Davo55 said:
    When Chuks is banging them in like this it makes me wonder why Lee is so adamant that he sees him as a midfield player rather than a striker. Surely worth a chance up top if we have further injury problems?
    He sees him as a no 10, which to my mind is playing off the striker.

    So more a forward than a midfielder, but not the main striker.
    Fair enough, but we don't really play a "conventional" number 10 role do we? It's more often than not the top tip of a diamond or a more conventional advanced central midfielder role.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,456
    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5e3aadd3475d5/u23s-report-watford-3-charlton-3
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Chuks looks to have lost a bit of muscle mass. Wonder if this is on purpose?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,849
    Dazzler21 said:
    Chuks looks to have lost a bit of muscle mass. Wonder if this is on purpose?
    It's possible. Some sportsmen can get a bit obsessed with bulking up, which is fine if you play like Akinfenwa but not good if you lose pace as as result
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    killerandflash said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Chuks looks to have lost a bit of muscle mass. Wonder if this is on purpose?
    It's possible. Some sportsmen can get a bit obsessed with bulking up, which is fine if you play like Akinfenwa but not good if you lose pace as as result
    Or if you create imbalances that increase your chances of injury.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974

  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    Dazzler21 said:
    killerandflash said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Chuks looks to have lost a bit of muscle mass. Wonder if this is on purpose?
    It's possible. Some sportsmen can get a bit obsessed with bulking up, which is fine if you play like Akinfenwa but not good if you lose pace as as result
    Or if you create imbalances that increase your chances of injury.
    Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

    (Very much my opinion on a lot of injuries)
  • robinofottershaw
    robinofottershaw Posts: 1,921
    cantersaddick said:
    Talal said:
    At the start of the season didn't Bowyer suggest him playing at the tip of the diamond, or was just something that was proposed on here? 
    Yep Bow was very clear he would play there and not upfront. That is where he played most games for MK too.

    That said if he is fit I would prefer him to Hemed as an option off the bench (an I actually think there is a player in Hemed).
    The best I have seen Chuks play for us was at Reading away near the start of the season. He came on as a sub with about 25 minutes to play and caused havoc. Would really love to see some more of him before the end of the season as I still think he could be a good player at this level.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Going off at a complete tangent, but it was being discussed anyway. 

    No 10 is the most broad stroke of a discription of a player I think that is used in "modern" football.   I don't know if its the championship manager effect or the over saturation of sky TV pundits trying to justify themselves.  

    As the term has become more used it has basically become meaning less, it now sort of covers anyone who plays centrally but not off the last man and doesn't track back.  But that could be also a false 9, an 8 and a half, the point of the diamond, the middle of a 3.

    Anyway, is Chucks one?  Now he is because of lazy use stereotypes and Bowyer using language that he knows his audience will understand.

    Rant over. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    Surely Chuks can be on the bench now. Much better option than Hemed to bring on with 15-20 mins to go.

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