Letters From Club - Agreed Behavioural Contracts ????
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The fan in question hasn't been on yet I think.0
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I don't know what was said but surely if they were sexist/racist or threatening violence the letter would have said so. The letter states "not particularly constructive".SDAddick said:Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a moment here. Does anyone know what was said, or at least have a summary of it (sorry if I've missed it in the 10 pages)? There are certain things, racism, sexism, threats of violence, etc. when, even if they're said on social media, can and should lead to consequences. The letter is silly and petulant ("Silly and Petulant" should be on the club letterhead), and the ABC (sometimes, you need to look at your acronym and say to yourself "No, I'm going to work a little harder on that") is over the top. But all that said, it would be nice to have a little bit of context.
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Taken from Mick Collins on Twitter-:
My learned wife says #cafc letter breaches Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights - free expression! Well done Charlton...!
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Can't see how the Club aren't in Breach of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_10_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights1 -
i did suggest that they change "shop a fan" at GoonerVille to " burn a fan"1
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It isflyingkiwiDK said:If this letter is geniune it really is fantastic. Its going to be all over the press.
Well done you tossers. You've gone and shot yourselves in the foot again!
CARD should have a field day with this.
A quick search shows that the story is now in the online versions of the Mail and Sun
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Agreed, was giving those as examples, and as I said, playing a bit of devil's advocate here. But it would be nice to see the comments in question.BowieAddick said:
I don't know what was said but surely if they were sexist/racist or threatening violence the letter would have said so. The letter states "not particularly constructive".SDAddick said:Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a moment here. Does anyone know what was said, or at least have a summary of it (sorry if I've missed it in the 10 pages)? There are certain things, racism, sexism, threats of violence, etc. when, even if they're said on social media, can and should lead to consequences. The letter is silly and petulant ("Silly and Petulant" should be on the club letterhead), and the ABC (sometimes, you need to look at your acronym and say to yourself "No, I'm going to work a little harder on that") is over the top. But all that said, it would be nice to have a little bit of context.
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Autocorrect!Atletico Addick said:0 -
I haven't read any other threads for hours now
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sat here waiting for the club statement...
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You are not playing "Devil's Advocate - you are just too lazy to read the preceding comments on this threadBowieAddick said:
I don't know what was said but surely if they were sexist/racist or threatening violence the letter would have said so. The letter states "not particularly constructive".SDAddick said:Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a moment here. Does anyone know what was said, or at least have a summary of it (sorry if I've missed it in the 10 pages)? There are certain things, racism, sexism, threats of violence, etc. when, even if they're said on social media, can and should lead to consequences. The letter is silly and petulant ("Silly and Petulant" should be on the club letterhead), and the ABC (sometimes, you need to look at your acronym and say to yourself "No, I'm going to work a little harder on that") is over the top. But all that said, it would be nice to have a little bit of context.
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There's some BIG news on the Transfer Rumours Thread!!!Rizzo said:I haven't read any other threads for hours now
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course they areWSS said:
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http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx#wjJSaGTFwx5RMy2Y.99http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx
The statement is out. Contrasts very heavily with what the involved individual is saying on TalkSport right now.0 -
bazjonster said:
We got it now mate. You're not too keen on 'plod'!cafcfan said:
I'm not so sure our beloved leader can be blamed for this.cabbles said:This guy who wrote the letter, is he new to the role?
The one thing I don't want to happen is this guy get completely ruined by this. This should fall firmly on the CEO and executive team. Yes it may have been a stupid thing to attach his name too, but surely any club correspondence gets signed off before being sent out.
I'm just saying it won't be nice for this guy if he's now a laughing stock etc, that needs to be firmly at the top. He's prob gonna lose his job as it is. That's enough
This guy was ex-plod of a fairly senior rank. He will be well used to running his fiefdom with a rod of iron. It comes as quite a culture shock to retired officers when they have to go off and do a job elsewhere. It takes some quite a while to realise they are now just a small fish in a big pond rather than running their own nick.
I would not be at all surprised if this was not his own "initiative".
Don't get me wrong. Many of them are charming people. (I have to say that my sister is one.) Some of my mates are ex-plod. It's just that years of experience having to work with them and having ex-plod on my team leaves you with a somewhat tainted view of their levels of competence.0 - Sponsored links:
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Sunday nights are when all official club statements are issued, at least the ones that should be taken seriously are.
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It's 4am here and I've woken up to insanity! I did my best but only got through the first four pages. Gonna get caffeine in me then I'll keep reading.PeterGage said:
You are not playing "Devil's Advocate - you are just too lazy to read the preceding comments on this threadBowieAddick said:
I don't know what was said but surely if they were sexist/racist or threatening violence the letter would have said so. The letter states "not particularly constructive".SDAddick said:Okay, let me play devil's advocate for a moment here. Does anyone know what was said, or at least have a summary of it (sorry if I've missed it in the 10 pages)? There are certain things, racism, sexism, threats of violence, etc. when, even if they're said on social media, can and should lead to consequences. The letter is silly and petulant ("Silly and Petulant" should be on the club letterhead), and the ABC (sometimes, you need to look at your acronym and say to yourself "No, I'm going to work a little harder on that") is over the top. But all that said, it would be nice to have a little bit of context.
Which is a long way of saying "yeahhhhh"0 -
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I'm sure we're all utterly shocked by thatWattsTheMatter said:http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx#wjJSaGTFwx5RMy2Y.99http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx
The statement is out. Contrasts very heavily with what the involved individual is saying on TalkSport right now.4 -
Seems to suggest that stadium cameras record audio as well as video...WattsTheMatter said:http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx#wjJSaGTFwx5RMy2Y.99http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-statement-3243379.aspx
The statement is out. Contrasts very heavily with what the involved individual is saying on TalkSport right now.
I wonder is this the people videoing protests?
If not, does the club inform us that CCTV captures images and sounds (there's an outside chance of a DPA issue)?1 -
Hold up. The club have done it again. First it was the stupid stunt with the "Football Banning Order".. which wasn't a football banning order at all.
Now I've realised that this stunt is exactly the same, an "ABC" is generally a pre-cursor to an ASBO; an "Acceptable Behaviour Contract". So of course, Charlton have done their own ABC - an Agreed Behaviour Contract.
Are you seriously telling me the club has just coincidentally come up with these mickey-mouse things that sound like real things? It's not part of some attempt at making it sound worse than it is? i.e intimidation?9 -
Yeah but I'm afraid the incident will get lost going on the headlines:killerandflash said:
It isflyingkiwiDK said:If this letter is geniune it really is fantastic. Its going to be all over the press.
Well done you tossers. You've gone and shot yourselves in the foot again!
CARD should have a field day with this.
A quick search shows that the story is now in the online versions of the Mail and Sun
The club can be relied on to keep providing these PR disasters
"FOREIGNS WRITE BRAVE LION LETTER TRYING TO TAKE AWAY HIS GOD GIVEN RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH!"0 -
a disappointing lack of obvious gaffes in that statement4
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Don't get me wrong. Many of them are charming people. (I have to say that my sister is one.) Some of my mates are ex-plod. It's just that years of experience having to work with them and having ex-plod on my team leaves you with a somewhat tainted view of their levels of competence.cafcfan said:bazjonster said:
We got it now mate. You're not too keen on 'plod'!cafcfan said:
I'm not so sure our beloved leader can be blamed for this.cabbles said:This guy who wrote the letter, is he new to the role?
The one thing I don't want to happen is this guy get completely ruined by this. This should fall firmly on the CEO and executive team. Yes it may have been a stupid thing to attach his name too, but surely any club correspondence gets signed off before being sent out.
I'm just saying it won't be nice for this guy if he's now a laughing stock etc, that needs to be firmly at the top. He's prob gonna lose his job as it is. That's enough
This guy was ex-plod of a fairly senior rank. He will be well used to running his fiefdom with a rod of iron. It comes as quite a culture shock to retired officers when they have to go off and do a job elsewhere. It takes some quite a while to realise they are now just a small fish in a big pond rather than running their own nick.
I would not be at all surprised if this was not his own "initiative".
Hope the fan didn't fall down the stairs after the meeting0
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