The biggest downside for me in Slade being sacked is it gives credibility to the regime's preference for hiring Belgian managers. Cue "we gave you an English manager and look how it worked out" type of comments from Meire. :-(
The biggest downside for me in Slade being sacked is it gives credibility to the regime's preference for hiring Belgian managers. Cue "we gave you an English manager and look how it worked out" type of comments from Meire. :-(
I think the bigger issue is that it positions the problem as being with the individual managers rather than the regime. But RD appoints them and if you are getting through so many the real problem must be above that level, which of course it is.
I'd like to see us give the manager time but I'm not sure Slade will turn it around. I get trying to make sure we're solid defensively. Yet if you have too many defensive players you end up with them passing sideways and backwards until we're closed down or end up pumping if long. You need a few outlets, players that can turn and run with the ball or pick out a pass.
With no loan window and probably little quality available on a free we're hoping one or two u23 midfielders will step up and make the difference. It might happen, I haven't seen enough of any of them to say.
What's worrying is how easily go the other way. Slade could soon be replaced by another network/Belgian league manager. A couple of longer term injuries to say Holmes and Magennis would leave us seriously lacking proven alternatives. I can't imagine Novak and Botaka being able to play 90 minutes every week (may be completely wrong on that, it's not really based on anything). Come January Lookman and one or two other better players could be sold with no hope of promotion to keep them here. Four go down in this league which only makes it harder.
in my opinion of the six managers we have had since Duchelet took over Russel Slade is one of the worst.
I think Bob Peters was the best, followed bu Riga, Luzon, with Russel Slade and Fraye about equal in last place.
I have seen most 4 home matches and 1 away match, and the standard of Slade's tactics and formation is shocking.
I honestly don't know how much more of this negative crap I can take. I already deeply regret buying two season tickets. With this clown in charge another relegation is almost certain.
Airman Brown writing for The Sun, we live in strange times
Blimey, I didn't spot that. I thought it was rather more articulate and well-researched than their usual offerings !
Nice work
I didn't spot that either, I saw the article pop up on twitter and whilst I'm in the camp of not sacking Slade(because the replacement will be so much worse) I do think that he needs a kick up the bum so I clicked the link expecting to read a short paragraph of doom about Slade and I was stunned by what I read, I thought "wow, what a great piece about Charlton in general", should've guessed it would have been from within. Great work @Airman Brown
We shouldn't be surprised really should we? - look who it is interviewing and appointing the managers / head coaches.
So far, (apart from the first half against Shrewsbury) having to sit through 90 mins of the absolute dross that he oversees is soul destroying. I keep saying it, but he is clueless, tactically inept and out of his depth. I said I would boycott home games and go to some away games, that didn't happen and so far I've been to all home games and 2 away - but Saturday was the final straw for me, refuse to pay to watch the tripe this idiot is serving up.
He is another in the long line of jokers that have been enlisted to continue our downward spiral. And he talks absolute drival to boot.
Can't wait for the day that the Belgians are gone and this goon follows them down the road.
The biggest downside for me in Slade being sacked is it gives credibility to the regime's preference for hiring Belgian managers. Cue "we gave you an English manager and look how it worked out" type of comments from Meire. :-(
I think the bigger issue is that it positions the problem as being with the individual managers rather than the regime. But RD appoints them and if you are getting through so many the real problem must be above that level, which of course it is.
But the football world knows that the mess originates with the regime.
This gig is the last throw of the dice for Slade to try and get a promotion on his CV and more importantly a final payday before retirement. Can't blame him for that but at nearly a quarter on the season gone it's not looking good.
I think Slade genuinely thinks he can do it, maybe not this season given he was in late, no pre-season with the team and not quite the team he is looking to build, but I think he reckons that next season, he can probably get automatic promotion with the resources he has.
I think he may be right.
But he needs to stop being so negative in the initial team set-up to counter what are real weaknesses, and he needs to get someone who he listens to in the game who tells him where it's going wrong so he makes better substitutions.
It's not good when 3/4 of the limited number of supporters can see an obvious change ahead of the manager.
Two Shats prefers to recycle people rather than sever all ties. He could find another role in the regime for him.
He's a big old lump, I reckon he'd make an excellent replacement for that fat steward, who looks increasingly disheartened at having to chaperone Mare everywhere.
Two Shats prefers to recycle people rather than sever all ties. He could find another role in the regime for him.
He's a big old lump, I reckon he'd make an excellent replacement for that fat steward, who looks increasingly disheartened at having to chaperone Mare everywhere.
Oh come on, there's no replacement for David Badjumper
I am usually pretty patient with managers, but can honestly say I wouldn't give a monkey's if he was sacked tomorrow. His team is serving up utter bilge every week. I sit bored out of my brain as we tippy tap passes along our back four before hoofing it to Magennis.
I appreciate that he hasn't been backed in reapect of a Central Midfielder, but that doesn't explain why he insists on setting us up so defensively, why his team retreats and retreats until it concedes a goal and appears to be lacking any togetherness.
IMO what we are seeing on the pitch is largely attributable to him. His lack of response to changing game situations is infuriating and something he has been criticised for at almost every club he has managed.
At the moment he seems, to me, out of his depth. Something I find ridiculous given his time in the game.
I didn't notice on Saturday, but others have mentioned that the players "left him to it" when the crowd vented at the end. That is significant and I wonder what his relationship with them is like? I can't warm to him and his talk reminds me of classic middle management waffle.
I hope he proves me wrong and turns it round, but in all honesty a poor result tomorrow and another against Coventry and I think Roland will play the "told you so" card and revert to another no-mark coach who'll be kept on way to long.
I fear for us and as stupid as it sounds with this squad available in this division can see us getting dragged into a season long relegation scrap.
I briefly fell asleep during the second half. Now it may be a sign of old age of course, but I've never done that before at the footy.
Slade is a lower league manager and a mediocre one at that. We are, however, a lower league club and a mediocre one at that. It wouldn't be unreasonable to consider that a perfect match, assuming RD and KM still have no ambition of course.
Two Shats prefers to recycle people rather than sever all ties. He could find another role in the regime for him.
He's a big old lump, I reckon he'd make an excellent replacement for that fat steward, who looks increasingly disheartened at having to chaperone Mare everywhere.
Certain people. Peeters came from outside the network, and made a clean break after he was sacked
Sackings usually happen either after a tipping point performance or series of results
For Peeters it was a poor series of results, rather than a disastrous performance (e.g. the Huddersfield match which saw the end of Fraeye), the danger for Slade is that the run without a win extends to 10 games which would make his position untenable, with the squad we have.
For me the signing of Crofts crucifies him. A player that had 77 appearances in four years. Had been injured for nearly a year and Gills had him on loan but didn't want him. Brighton fans reckoned he wasn't the same player after his break. All reports of pre-season action didn't rate him but RS signed him anyway. He is 32 FFS and had a serious injury at 30. He has been wank for us but still starts. All feedback is that we don't close down in midfield but him Foley and Jackson still get picked. If the fans can see it why can't Slade?
To be fair to Foley, he was signed as much to be second choice right back as anything and did a pretty good job there on Saturday.
The biggest downside for me in Slade being sacked is it gives credibility to the regime's preference for hiring Belgian managers. Cue "we gave you an English manager and look how it worked out" type of comments from Meire. :-(
That wouldn't be a fantastic argument though as, despite the rubbish Katrien may spout, the network managers that went before didn't exactly do great either. As airman says the biggest problem is those doing the recruiting.
They have an odd, rigid upright running style that looks to me to be like they have both suffered serious back injuries.
Neither has a fast 5 yards or indeed a strong 20, they don't make up for that with their positioning or game awareness and for me they are both squad players you'd rather not have to play but who get a few games when your main players are injured and your youth team players are need a gane or few protection.
That they both are on the team sheet from the start, this early in the season, is disturbing.
I think Slade genuinely thinks he can do it, maybe not this season given he was in late, no pre-season with the team and not quite the team he is looking to build, but I think he reckons that next season, he can probably get automatic promotion with the resources he has.
I think he may be right.
But he needs to stop being so negative in the initial team set-up to counter what are real weaknesses, and he needs to get someone who he listens to in the game who tells him where it's going wrong so he makes better substitutions.
It's not good when 3/4 of the limited number of supporters can see an obvious change ahead of the manager.
Perhaps his assisstant Kevin Nugent has a big say on tactics, from memory he was a defender at Orient.
I think Slade genuinely thinks he can do it, maybe not this season given he was in late, no pre-season with the team and not quite the team he is looking to build, but I think he reckons that next season, he can probably get automatic promotion with the resources he has.
I think he may be right.
But he needs to stop being so negative in the initial team set-up to counter what are real weaknesses, and he needs to get someone who he listens to in the game who tells him where it's going wrong so he makes better substitutions.
It's not good when 3/4 of the limited number of supporters can see an obvious change ahead of the manager.
Perhaps his assisstant Kevin Nugent has a big say on tactics, from memory he was a defender at Orient.
Nugent played up front mate.
Probably explains why our strikers have managed 5 goals between them all season.
does need more time but by end of weekend we could be in relegation zone, realistically we wont be because of goal difference , remaining games in october is 12 points up for grabs if we cant secure 6 of them and then he goes and gets us knocked out the cup on 5th november hell be gone.
Let's face it, he's had his four Regime months. I am looking forward to Meire answering the question about why the seven managers she's appointed inside three years have averaged four months in the job. She can then tell us it's because none of them were good enough. They all left the club in a lower league position. Hasn't got a clue.
I think Slade genuinely thinks he can do it, maybe not this season given he was in late, no pre-season with the team and not quite the team he is looking to build, but I think he reckons that next season, he can probably get automatic promotion with the resources he has.
I think he may be right.
But he needs to stop being so negative in the initial team set-up to counter what are real weaknesses, and he needs to get someone who he listens to in the game who tells him where it's going wrong so he makes better substitutions.
It's not good when 3/4 of the limited number of supporters can see an obvious change ahead of the manager.
Perhaps his assisstant Kevin Nugent has a big say on tactics, from memory he was a defender at Orient.
Nugent played up front mate.
Probably explains why our strikers have managed 5 goals between them all season.
Scored over 100goals in nearly 500 appearances at 6 clubs albeit not at the highest level.
Started off his coaching career under the auspices of Kenny Jacket and then Martinez at Swansea and has had a few caretaker rolls other than that no idea how good his coaching skills are. One thing is for sure you can only work with the tools you are given and therein lies the problem vis-a-vis midfield.
........... and for me they are both squad players you'd rather not have to play but who get a few games when your main players are injured and your youth team players are need a game or few protection.
That they both are on the team sheet from the start, this early in the season, is disturbing.
Spot on.
Looking at the fact that both players were here on trial for some time before eventually being given short term contracts as the new season kicked off, seems to me that Slade was hoping to bring in better players on longer term contracts - and never could get the midfielder targets who he'd pencilled in for his midfield.
Both Foley and Wales international Crofts are experienced seasoned pros - and Slade no doubt felt that their good character and influence could be useful in the squad on and off the pitch. But it seems obvious to me that they were far from Slade's first choice.
Crofts and Foley have both had some decent games for us. Isn't it more of a case they shouldn't/can't play every game, especially in such a slow midfield? Andy Hughes did well in our promotion season but I doubt he'd have looked as comfortable had he played nearly every game. Same with Jackson this season.
At this stage, would honestly like to see Slade sacked and replaced by Driesen. Would hopefully at least wake up the home fans who still aren't protesting...
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Cue "we gave you an English manager and look how it worked out" type of comments from Meire. :-(
With no loan window and probably little quality available on a free we're hoping one or two u23 midfielders will step up and make the difference. It might happen, I haven't seen enough of any of them to say.
What's worrying is how easily go the other way. Slade could soon be replaced by another network/Belgian league manager. A couple of longer term injuries to say Holmes and Magennis would leave us seriously lacking proven alternatives. I can't imagine Novak and Botaka being able to play 90 minutes every week (may be completely wrong on that, it's not really based on anything). Come January Lookman and one or two other better players could be sold with no hope of promotion to keep them here. Four go down in this league which only makes it harder.
Slade is one of the worst.
I think Bob Peters was the best, followed bu Riga, Luzon, with Russel Slade and Fraye about equal in last place.
I have seen most 4 home matches and 1 away match, and the standard of Slade's tactics and formation is shocking.
I honestly don't know how much more of this negative crap I can take. I already deeply regret buying two season tickets.
With this clown in charge another relegation is almost certain.
So far, (apart from the first half against Shrewsbury) having to sit through 90 mins of the absolute dross that he oversees is soul destroying. I keep saying it, but he is clueless, tactically inept and out of his depth. I said I would boycott home games and go to some away games, that didn't happen and so far I've been to all home games and 2 away - but Saturday was the final straw for me, refuse to pay to watch the tripe this idiot is serving up.
He is another in the long line of jokers that have been enlisted to continue our downward spiral. And he talks absolute drival to boot.
Can't wait for the day that the Belgians are gone and this goon follows them down the road.
He should be given the time he deserves - none.
I think he may be right.
But he needs to stop being so negative in the initial team set-up to counter what are real weaknesses, and he needs to get someone who he listens to in the game who tells him where it's going wrong so he makes better substitutions.
It's not good when 3/4 of the limited number of supporters can see an obvious change ahead of the manager.
He's a big old lump, I reckon he'd make an excellent replacement for that fat steward, who looks increasingly disheartened at having to chaperone Mare everywhere.
Slade is a lower league manager and a mediocre one at that. We are, however, a lower league club and a mediocre one at that. It wouldn't be unreasonable to consider that a perfect match, assuming RD and KM still have no ambition of course.
Sackings usually happen either after a tipping point performance or series of results
For Peeters it was a poor series of results, rather than a disastrous performance (e.g. the Huddersfield match which saw the end of Fraeye), the danger for Slade is that the run without a win extends to 10 games which would make his position untenable, with the squad we have.
They have an odd, rigid upright running style that looks to me to be like they have both suffered serious back injuries.
Neither has a fast 5 yards or indeed a strong 20, they don't make up for that with their positioning or game awareness and for me they are both squad players you'd rather not have to play but who get a few games when your main players are injured and your youth team players are need a gane or few protection.
That they both are on the team sheet from the start, this early in the season, is disturbing.
Probably explains why our strikers have managed 5 goals between them all season.
Started off his coaching career under the auspices of Kenny Jacket and then Martinez at Swansea and has had a few caretaker rolls other than that no idea how good his coaching skills are. One thing is for sure you can only work with the tools you are given and therein lies the problem vis-a-vis midfield.
Looking at the fact that both players were here on trial for some time before eventually being given short term contracts as the new season kicked off, seems to me that Slade was hoping to bring in better players on longer term contracts - and never could get the midfielder targets who he'd pencilled in for his midfield.
Both Foley and Wales international Crofts are experienced seasoned pros - and Slade no doubt felt that their good character and influence could be useful in the squad on and off the pitch.
But it seems obvious to me that they were far from Slade's first choice.