Richard Murray
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He made a point of sitting right next to mire at the Coventry protests. He could say no more.SoundAsa£ said:Mmmmmmmm, his support of them was for the most part when they first arrived.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him speak out too....but I'm not aware of him showing them any tangible support of late.6 -
I was going to post on here trying to defend Richard Murrey having met him several times over the years. But having read that interview posted by Scoham it is obvious that he totally supports Douchbag .
As Douchbag represents every thing that is wrong with Charlton i cannot even try to defend Murrey, I'm afraid he is now part of the problem himself.2 -
Yes and the way he looked at us who were protesting near the directors box. It was the same kind of look that Miere and Sue give off. It said 'these peasants they just don't get it'.kentred2 said:
He made a point of sitting right next to mire at the Coventry protests. He could say no more.SoundAsa£ said:Mmmmmmmm, his support of them was for the most part when they first arrived.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him speak out too....but I'm not aware of him showing them any tangible support of late.
It's terrible that he was ill and I'm genuinely glad that he is now well enough to return to games. But this was the perfect opportunity for him to fade into the background alongside other former directors that sit in the director's box. He didn't take that opportunity. He has firmly nailed his colours to the mast.
I've posted before about how I hope that history is kind to him. I hope he is remembered for all the good he has done for this club and not for his part in destroying it.. but the longer this goes on the less likely that is to happen..30 -
From what i gleaned from David White's remarks, Murray only has one horse. If he resigns he's out of Charlton/football for ever, if he sticks around he can influence the terms on which a new owner comes in and sustain his ego with a key position on the board. If ego is your driver, you do what you need to do, and the devil takes the hindmost. Murray is for himself, we're deluded if we think he will act in any other way.
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That's what I took from it and in my opinion the reason he will try to stop Varney being involed as he knows he'll be out. Nice to meet you last night Dippenhall!Dippenhall said:From what i gleaned from David White's remarks, Murray only has one horse. If he resigns he's out of Charlton/football for ever, if he sticks around he can influence the terms on which a new owner comes in and sustain his ego with a key position on the board. If ego is your driver, you do what you need to do, and the devil takes the hindmost. Murray is for himself, we're deluded if we think he will act in any other way.
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If it wasn't for his ego and delusion then we would still be in the Premier League, and would never have heard of the name Roland Duchâtelet.
Anyone who can't see that now is either deluding themselves, or a bit dim imo.7 -
Really not the case. He gets out of the corner by resigning from the board. Costs him nothing. Doesn't even have to say why. His remaining loan is protected in the same way as Derek Chappell's, Bob Whitehand's et al.SoundAsa£ said:How do you know he supports the regime.....I wouldn't mind betting he doesn't, but has boxed himself into a corner which is difficult to get out of.
Why on earth would he support the regime, he knows they are an unmitigating fuck up......one thing he ain't is stupid.
I admit he does seem to associate with them more than many of us would like but he may just be boxing clever, time will tell.....who really knows?
By the way, have you ever met him?
He has very little respect or support from most of the people who sat on the board with him pre 2010 which is telling. The last conversation I had with him he was telling me how wrong we all were about Karel Fraeye.21 -
RD thinking Fraeye was a good appointment is one thing, but what convinced Murray that Fraeye was up to it? Because he had a good relationship with the owner? Scouted our signings so had knowledge of them?2
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If it wasn't for a Murray we would probably have never made the PL either.boggzy said:If it wasn't for his ego and delusion then we would still be in the Premier League, and would never have heard of the name Roland Duchâtelet.
Anyone who can't see that now is either deluding themselves, or a bit dim imo.
Yes since 2006 it's been a series of bad decisions, but he has to be given credit for what he did before then6 -
True, but his behaviour and decisions starting in 2005 leave him very much out of credit I'm afraid.killerandflash said:
If it wasn't for a Murray we would probably have never made the PL either.boggzy said:If it wasn't for his ego and delusion then we would still be in the Premier League, and would never have heard of the name Roland Duchâtelet.
Anyone who can't see that now is either deluding themselves, or a bit dim imo.
Yes since 2006 it's been a series of bad decisions, but he has to be given credit for what he did before then5 -
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Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again
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Curbs had lined-up Bullard and Sidwell in May, ready for the new season. Fees had been agreed, but RM wanted to hold back until July as he thought we could get them cheaper.boggzy said:
True, but his behaviour and decisions starting in 2005 leave him very much out of credit I'm afraid.killerandflash said:
If it wasn't for a Murray we would probably have never made the PL either.boggzy said:If it wasn't for his ego and delusion then we would still be in the Premier League, and would never have heard of the name Roland Duchâtelet.
Anyone who can't see that now is either deluding themselves, or a bit dim imo.
Yes since 2006 it's been a series of bad decisions, but he has to be given credit for what he did before then
Lisbie missed a sitter at Watford, Graham Poll gave a free kick to Fulham instead of a throw in to Charlton........... and the rest is history.
We will be kicking around in this basement league for a while to come, and RD/KM will never improve things - only wreck them.
True fans like us, have to bide our time until the Belgians go Then we will have to rally round like we have done before, probably with cash, as the deadly duo will have left us about £100m in debt by then.
Every day they are still here - the prospects for CAFC get worse.
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I'd hope any potential owner would laugh Duchatelet out the building at the prospect at him keeping hold of the ground or training ground.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again0 -
Ron Noades managed to keep hold of Sainsburys much to the cost of Goldberg and Orange face.The Red Robin said:
I'd hope any potential owner would laugh Duchatelet out the building at the prospect at him keeping hold of the ground or training ground.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again0 -
Even if the potential owners didn't laugh at him, what would the ex-directors have to say - i.e those who legally still have funds tied up in the ground?The Red Robin said:
I'd hope any potential owner would laugh Duchatelet out the building at the prospect at him keeping hold of the ground or training ground.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again0 -
"Our strategy for Charlton Athletic is that we are a financially stable club, who can be competitive in the Championship, but has Premier League ambitions."Scoham said:
Less than thatElfsborgAddick said:
Leave it out, he was still opening his beak up till 12 months ago.SoundAsa£ said:Mmmmmmmm, his support of them was for the most part when they first arrived.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him speak out too....but I'm not aware of him showing them any tangible support of late.
They have destroyed all the good work he did over the years and he still backed them up.
He cannot have it both ways.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-richard-murray-interview-2887963.aspx
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Interesting reflecting on that interview.Scoham said:
Less than thatElfsborgAddick said:
Leave it out, he was still opening his beak up till 12 months ago.SoundAsa£ said:Mmmmmmmm, his support of them was for the most part when they first arrived.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him speak out too....but I'm not aware of him showing them any tangible support of late.
They have destroyed all the good work he did over the years and he still backed them up.
He cannot have it both ways.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-richard-murray-interview-2887963.aspx
Trying to sell it all.
What is very very clear is that the priority is just to prove a club can still function in a league, but by spending wisely and cutting out unnecessary costs that other clubs might do.
Absolutely nothing to do with football. Nothing to do with being competitive on the pitch.
Nothing to do with entertainment .
It's not even an experiment.....it's
How much can we get away with? It's like an addiction.
At what point will the whole thing collapse? How many things can we remove, save money on, but the wheels keeping turning?
The whole thing was supposed to end up in league one.
League one was our destiny from the moment Roland owned Charlton.
If we survived last season....I think we would have eventually fielded a full acadamy 11.
The wage budget would be pennies.3 -
I doubt if he could sell the club without the ground and avoid having to agree it with the former directors - I think it would be triggered by change of control regardless. It appears that RD may have bought the club without even understanding the effect of their charge on the assets - certainly Meire didn't fully understand it for some time.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again9 -
Think this is spot on, it's down to ego now if it wasn't before - they will never fund a big enough squad it seems - but bad publicity particularly the Belgium stuff does seem to hurt him. Could still be some years though before they give up, long fight ahead potentiallyDave2l said:
Interesting reflecting on that interview.Scoham said:
Less than thatElfsborgAddick said:
Leave it out, he was still opening his beak up till 12 months ago.SoundAsa£ said:Mmmmmmmm, his support of them was for the most part when they first arrived.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him speak out too....but I'm not aware of him showing them any tangible support of late.
They have destroyed all the good work he did over the years and he still backed them up.
He cannot have it both ways.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-richard-murray-interview-2887963.aspx
Trying to sell it all.
What is very very clear is that the priority is just to prove a club can still function in a league, but by spending wisely and cutting out unnecessary costs that other clubs might do.
Absolutely nothing to do with football. Nothing to do with being competitive on the pitch.
Nothing to do with entertainment .
It's not even an experiment.....it's
How much can we get away with? It's like an addiction.
At what point will the whole thing collapse? How many things can we remove, save money on, but the wheels keeping turning?
The whole thing was supposed to end up in league one.
League one was our destiny from the moment Roland owned Charlton.
If we survived last season....I think we would have eventually fielded a full acadamy 11.
The wage budget would be pennies.6 -
If she didn't understand it albeit as a corporate lawyer rather than a conveyancer, that doesn't do her credibility any good at all, what ever small amount she may have left.Airman Brown said:
I doubt if he could sell the club without the ground and avoid having to agree it with the former directors - I think it would be triggered by change of control regardless. It appears that RD may have bought the club without even understanding the effect of their charge on the assets - certainly Meire didn't fully understand it for some time.RedChaser said:
Me too but it depends what the terms of sale of the.club are, whether it includes the ground, god forbid if RD wants to hold on to it and only lease it to the club.The Red Robin said:I just hope the next owners buy him out and tell him to do one.
If the ground is included in the sale, remember it can only can take place with the former directors agreement to it and anyone of them could block dealings in it .
If it were me I would want my money out but would Murray? who could use this as a bargaining tool for a seat at the top table once again
Just as well the former directors have an arms length finger in the pie, a complication RD could have done without
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Murray would have told them that the Loans were only repayable in Premier League and not to worry about them, other Ex Directors did the documentation with lawyers to protect themselves I believe, Murray left detail to Varney and the Lawyers normally.
Football side of business has always been his main focus,that's why when Chappell became Chair of PLC, he just took over Chair of Football from Martin Simons.
Let's not forget he signed Dowie,Reed,Pardew and Parkinson as Managers ,Powell was all Varney's doing the only time Murray had no involvement in football matters and we got promoted,surprise ,surprise.
He is not just sitting next to Meire and keeping quiet,he will be involved in transfers,agents,managers all to do with football as he was the one with all the connections,she may do execution of deals and paperwork, but he will be throwing in names and calling agents, managers and clubs, he can't stop himself as someone said it is an obsession.11 -
Slater would have done the takeover deal with RD/KM rather than Murray though.Davidsmith said:Murray would have told them that the Loans were only repayable in Premier League and not to worry about them, other Ex Directors did the documentation with lawyers to protect themselves I believe, Murray left detail to Varney and the Lawyers normally.
Football side of business has always been his main focus,that's why when Chappell became Chair of PLC, he just took over Chair of Football from Martin Simons.
Let's not forget he signed Dowie,Reed,Pardew and Parkinson as Managers ,Powell was all Varney's doing the only time Murray had no involvement in football matters and we got promoted,surprise ,surprise.
He is not just sitting next to Meire and keeping quiet,he will be involved in transfers,agents,managers all to do with football as he was the one with all the connections,she may do execution of deals and paperwork, but he will be throwing in names and calling agents, managers and clubs, he can't stop himself as someone said it is an obsession.0 -
But I think the word was that Murray found Duchatalet, and would have talked about his own loan as biggest part and that not to worry about the other ex Directors as they would be compliant.Airman Brown said:
Slater would have done the takeover deal with RD/KM rather than Murray though.Davidsmith said:Murray would have told them that the Loans were only repayable in Premier League and not to worry about them, other Ex Directors did the documentation with lawyers to protect themselves I believe, Murray left detail to Varney and the Lawyers normally.
Football side of business has always been his main focus,that's why when Chappell became Chair of PLC, he just took over Chair of Football from Martin Simons.
Let's not forget he signed Dowie,Reed,Pardew and Parkinson as Managers ,Powell was all Varney's doing the only time Murray had no involvement in football matters and we got promoted,surprise ,surprise.
He is not just sitting next to Meire and keeping quiet,he will be involved in transfers,agents,managers all to do with football as he was the one with all the connections,she may do execution of deals and paperwork, but he will be throwing in names and calling agents, managers and clubs, he can't stop himself as someone said it is an obsession.
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It is a shame as when he had a great manager he was a great chairman. When he had not so great managers he was not such a great chairman.0
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He chose the not-so-great managers!MuttleyCAFC said:It is a shame as when he had a great manager he was a great chairman. When he had not so great managers he was not such a great chairman.
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The fact he turned down Curbishley's offer to help him find his successor says it all , I mean seriously how on earth could Murray have believed himself to be a better footballing judge than curbs9
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Don't wish Ill health on Murray and hope he gets better.
However on the football side of things, he's burned his bridges. Shame really as in years to come he shouldn't be remembered in the way he will be.9 -
And then appoint Dowie!! We all know if was a point scoring thing over he old mate Tango man - which makes it even worse.oohaahmortimer said:The fact he turned down Curbishley's offer to help him find his successor says it all , I mean seriously how on earth could Murray have believed himself to be a better footballing judge than curbs
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In a way Roland's biggest failure has been precisely that, as he hasn't spent wisely. Clubs like Burton Albion and indeed MKD (on the pitch) have tight transfer and wage budgets. We have spent money on players, an awful lot of which have been disasters and are currently being loaned out (with us paying part of their salary no doubt)Dave2l said:
Interesting reflecting on that interview.Scoham said:
Less than thatElfsborgAddick said:
Leave it out, he was still opening his beak up till 12 months ago.SoundAsa£ said:Mmmmmmmm, his support of them was for the most part when they first arrived.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him speak out too....but I'm not aware of him showing them any tangible support of late.
They have destroyed all the good work he did over the years and he still backed them up.
He cannot have it both ways.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-richard-murray-interview-2887963.aspx
Trying to sell it all.
What is very very clear is that the priority is just to prove a club can still function in a league, but by spending wisely and cutting out unnecessary costs that other clubs might do.
Absolutely nothing to do with football. Nothing to do with being competitive on the pitch.
Nothing to do with entertainment .
It's not even an experiment.....it's
How much can we get away with? It's like an addiction.
At what point will the whole thing collapse? How many things can we remove, save money on, but the wheels keeping turning?
The whole thing was supposed to end up in league one.
League one was our destiny from the moment Roland owned Charlton.
If we survived last season....I think we would have eventually fielded a full acadamy 11.
The wage budget would be pennies.
By contrast we've wasted and are continuing to waste money on failed "laptop type" transfers, poor fees for selling players (e.g. JBG), poor treatment of injured players AND paying off managers
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The irony is that had the right man (or team) been allowed to spend the money on transfers and wages that RD/KM have overseen we might well be in the Premier League now or, more likely, genuinely challenging at the top of he Championship.
I have no idea if Chris Powell's team would have delivered it but my best guess is that he wouldn't have been far off and even if he wasn't able to achieve it I'm sure we could have found much, much better candidates that we have seen come and go.18
