How long do they think a sales process will take (....)
Roland wants money back but he wants rid of Charlton. 100% believe that. I just currently think at the moment he probably 55% wants money back and 45% just wants rid of us.
Keep the pressure up and tip it over the edge to the point where it's only going one way. Protest like mental.
The Robinson hype ..... give him 10 games then judge. Talking the talk, is simply, just that.
I cringed when I saw him high fiving Charlton players on tunnel cam. Manager should not be a mate. Those kind of things are pretty empty and pointless in my view. Maybe that's just the curbs within that believes it's naive to go into something with blind enthusiasm. Being positive doesn't mean the footballs gana be pretty.
Karel fraeye...smile, on, faces.
Back to original point.
"De clob is not for sale"
Roland has not said that himself.
Anything she says, in terms of honesty, is completely irrelevant.
The club is probably on the brink of being flogged.
Push it to tipping point.
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You lost me with the 'manager shouldn't be a mate' bollox... at that point I realised you don't have a clue what you are talking about3
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So.... giving someone a high five means you are mates.
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I don't think managers of most organisations or types of workplaces should laugh and joke with their, staff, team, employees, whatever. If it does happen, should only be very occasionally. I wouldn't insist on me being right about that and that it's something that's very wrong to do.
Just my opinion on what I believe benefits productivity. Even if that's quite vague.
I fail to see why that would mean I don't know what I'm talking about altogether.
Appears I've touched a nerve.
From your quote, I assume you have a football and or management background?
If so (I hope so) please enlighten me.
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Best managers I have ever had have always been people who are friendly, approachable and are just 'one of the guys' who get along with everyone.
The worst managers? The twats who act all aloof, as if they can't been seen mingling with you, invariably they end up being universally disliked.13 -
Blimey, I hope I never have to work for you then. What a dull world it would be if every manager took this approach. Of course there are times when managers may have to stand a little aloof, but not laughing and joking at all, ever. Really? Personally I'm a firm believer that a happy team is a productive team. Who wants to give their all for a humourless automaton?Dave2l said:I don't think managers of most organisations or types of workplaces should laugh and joke with their, staff, team, employees, whatever. If it does happen, should only be very occasionally. I wouldn't insist on me being right about that and that it's something that's very wrong to do.
Just my opinion on what I believe benefits productivity. Even if that's quite vague.
I fail to see why that would mean I don't know what I'm talking about altogether.
Appears I've touched a nerve.
From your quote, I assume you have a football and or management background?
If so (I hope so) please enlighten me.6 -
I know. What an awful concept that is, a manager being a people person!Dave2l said:I don't think managers of most organisations or types of workplaces should laugh and joke with their, staff, team, employees, whatever. If it does happen, should only be very occasionally. I wouldn't insist on me being right about that and that it's something that's very wrong to do.
Just my opinion on what I believe benefits productivity. Even if that's quite vague.
I fail to see why that would mean I don't know what I'm talking about altogether.
Appears I've touched a nerve.
From your quote, I assume you have a football and or management background?
If so (I hope so) please enlighten me.
I hate how it encourages high morale which in turn motivates people, resulting in better holistic productivity due to a strong sense of worth and team ethos.
It's all about balance and respect, that's all.
I trust you're not a manager? If you are, have the courage to ask your subordinates what they really think about your style of management and the effect it has in them.
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@Dave2l I think his style of management is very much built around a more modern approach. True you would never see Ferguson doing something like that but I think you have to take into account it was his first game and he's trying to motivate them.
You can tell he is passionate and enthusiastic and that will come across in how he talks to his players, the approach he adopts. I think the tunnel example is more him trying to show leadership rather than management
I do however think with the backdrop of working with the regime and everything that's happened, this job will be too much for him0 -
Hey, ease up on the guy. It can't have been easy growing up in domestic service is some backward 3rd world country.0
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Klopp is the epitome of a 'high five' matey manager. Must be great to work for and gets results....0
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KR is 36, barely older than his senior players and never played league football. He's managed one other club, MK Dons.
If he comes in with a "Shut up and listen, I'm the boss" attitude he wouldn't last 5 minutes. He doesn't carry the credibility of a Alex Ferguson or even a Russell Slade.
He has a different way of doing things and it is the more modern form of management, not just in football but in work generally, where people don't, quite rightly, just jump because a manager says so.
Younger people (Gen x, Millennials if you want the buzz terms) want a more inclusive style of management where they are involved, consulted and are on friendly terms.
Yes, a football or any manager needs to keep some distance so s/he can exert discipline but building friendship, morale, team spirit, having a joke, even b*nter (sic) is a way of managing and KR seems to feel it works for him.
Maybe that is his personality in any case, he wants to be one of lads. That can be difficult if next week he's got to drop someone or bollock them but we won't see that side of it.
We also don't see what he is telling them in training about tactics, styles of play, etc although he touches on that in the interview.
Old school Sargent Major or new school B*nter buddy. Either can work, either can fail.
The real measure of success won't be if the players like him, respect him, think he's a good bloke or a bastard but whether they play for him and win games for him.
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One thing all the great managers had in common- they were allowed to manage without being told how to do their job by a computer whizz-kid or an electronics businessman.2
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Quite right.cabbles said:@Dave2l I think his style of management is very much built around a more modern approach. True you would never see Ferguson doing something like that but I think you have to take into account it was his first game and he's trying to motivate them.
You can tell he is passionate and enthusiastic and that will come across in how he talks to his players, the approach he adopts. I think the tunnel example is more him trying to show leadership rather than management
I do however think with the backdrop of working with the regime and everything that's happened, this job will be too much for him
To be fair I haven't exactly dug the bloke out and ripped him to shreds.
It's obvious what I'm trying to imply.....but it's also too early to judge KR in any way, perhaps.
1. I personally have been temporary manager of a small team within a dysfunctional business. I brought a football in and encouraged kick ups. Put music on and thought I was the dogs. It
We then got pissed at lunch, on my requested order.
I don't really know what point that proves, but I feel it's worth mentioning.'
2. Different styles, different variations of success.
Klopp is all matey and touchline mental. He's currently doing well. I'd argue that so was Dowie. So is Pardew,
Ferguson, still a people person but I doubt a mingler.
I don't believe that managers should get on the players level in terms of banter and laughs.
Only until achievements and targets have been met.
The separation gap.
The manager must always be respected....because they are the ones that you need to impress.
No one tries to impress "their mates"....you know each other too well.0 -
Oh dear,
The very worst type of manager the world has ever known. David Brent gone bad.1 -
If a manager is confident in, and committed to their approach, and if they are fair and honest and inclusive and share their aims, and secure agreement from those they manage I believe it can lead to success.
I had a minor managerial position, and my colleagues and I got along very well, to the extent of socialising, and some days in the workplace we could have such a laugh we would all collapse to the floor weeping with laughter.
I would always send them straight home if they were ill or had other troubles, or tell them not to come in, and I would always cover and pick up the slack. As a result there was virtually no absenteeism, and plenty of willingness to go over and above.
I was also very eager to correctly praise and give credit regarding my colleagues to those 'above', and always encouraged their development. I was also prepared to learn things from my colleagues and be adaptable, and I would always put my neck on the line challenging SMT stupidity on behalf of my team.
It took a lot of years working for corrupt arses to completely learn how not to do it, and I can honestly say that our small group got along well and were a genuine team.0 -
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I forgot to say that recruitment and the interview process is vital, get that wrong and it can be difficult.0 -
Judging by the selling of my flat - Advertised sales time 4-6 weeks in reality, we're 12 weeks down the line... so a lot longer than they planned for.0
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CloobDave2l said:I remember that bit.
Roland wants money back but he wants rid of Charlton. 100% believe that. I just currently think at the moment he probably 55% wants money back and 45% just wants rid of us.
Keep the pressure up and tip it over the edge to the point where it's only going one way. Protest like mental.
The Robinson hype ..... give him 10 games then judge. Talking the talk, is simply, just that.
I cringed when I saw him high fiving Charlton players on tunnel cam. Manager should not be a mate. Those kind of things are pretty empty and pointless in my view. Maybe that's just the curbs within that believes it's naive to go into something with blind enthusiasm. Being positive doesn't mean the footballs gana be pretty.
Karel fraeye...smile, on, faces.
Back to original point.
"De clob is not for sale"
Roland has not said that himself.
Anything she says, in terms of honesty, is completely irrelevant.
The club is probably on the brink of being flogged.
Push it to tipping point.0 -
I don't see where KR has put a foot wrong so far, that is if you don't count taking the job.0
