Ebbsfleet Station
Why are there effectively two stations at Ebbsfleet, or at least two different sets of platforms that you can't interconnect between without coming out of the barriers and coming back in again.
And Northfleet station is within eyesight but there's no way of getting to it (or that line) without catching a train back to Gravesend.
For a new station it all seems badly planned but I'm guessing there must be a reason? Boring question, I know, but I've spent over an hour here today changing trains and going backwards and forwards so would love to know why!
So, over to the choo choo brigade - do your stuff!
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Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.2 -
Cheers Rothko - never had you down as a train spotter. Police spotter, Yes. Train spotter, no.
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I've just spent the last half an hour going backwards and forwards only to pass within a few hundred metres of the place I was standing before, all for no real reason. Still, it's works time I'm wasting!1 -
STAY AT EBBSFLEET TURNCOAT. Blaady varney's a liar, you deserve him. #duchataletin1
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How did you know who I went to see?kentaddick said:STAY AT EBBSFLEET TURNCOAT. Blaady varney's a liar, you deserve him. #duchataletin
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The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
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The intention is to keep Crossrail (powered by overhead power) separate from the SE 3rd rail network, which as we all know can be fairly ropey at timesPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
I imagine Ebsfleet has to be split into two because one half serves the international trains, with passport controls etc0 -
That isn't the case. Some Javelins run into an adjacent platform to Eurostars.killerandflash said:
The intention is to keep Crossrail (powered by overhead power) separate from the SE 3rd rail network, which as we all know can be fairly ropey at timesPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
I imagine Ebsfleet has to be split into two because one half serves the international trains, with passport controls etc
The problem is that when you break up a national network into lots of little privately owned empires, nobody has any incentive to integrate the thing. The British approach to privatising the railways was suicidally stupid, and Ebbsfleet is one example of what you get.
Mind you that does not explain the Olympic Park fiasco. Who else trekked 15-20 minutes from West Ham or Stratford in 2012, only to find that a huge railway line runs directly under the middle of the Park and no ------ thought it might be smart to build a station there?
Turns out that of course the original plan did have that, as well as a stadium to be operated as well as built by McAlpine, thus zero cost to the taxpayer.
We invented the railways and football. Take a trip across Germany, take in a Bundesliga match, and wonder how it is that they do railways and football the way we used to.
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Went to a Bayer Leverkusen game in March this year, from Koln, both the train there and back had extra carriages laid on because of the game and arrived at the station 10 minutes early to pick everyone up. They also ran more trains than normal before and after the game.PragueAddick said:
We invented the railways and football. Take a trip across Germany, take in a Bundesliga match, and wonder how it is that they do railways and football the way we used to.killerandflash said:
The intention is to keep Crossrail (powered by overhead power) separate from the SE 3rd rail network, which as we all know can be fairly ropey at timesPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
I imagine Ebsfleet has to be split into two because one half serves the international trains, with passport controls etc
Plus we had beers whilst watching, they had an excellent safe standing area where the Ultras lined up and the food was about half the price of what you'd get in Blighty.
Made me want to stay for longer to be honest, especially when we found out the season ticket prices!2 -
I never though of that,but yeah, it's bloody crazy!PragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.0 -
Read all about it......... "Germans in efficiency shocker!"0
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Not to worry. I'm sure they have thought of that and will lay on an inter-connecting bus service to Gravesend from where you will be able to pick up a train back to Ebbsfleet.addick1965 said:
I never though of that,but yeah, it's bloody crazy!PragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
Mind you, they'll have to work out who is responsible for shutting the doors on the bus first.
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The Germans ??? Ask them about the building of the airport at Berlin;PragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
The French ??? Tell them you admire how they've managed to retain the French character of the shit looking station at Gard du Nord and its surrounds and its such a shame that the British chose to regenerate St Pancras and its surrounds and lose its run down character.0 -
That's an improvement on recent efforts. Well played. 5/10letthegoodtimesroll said:
The Germans ??? Ask them about the building of the airport at Berlin;PragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
The French ??? Tell them you admire how they've managed to retain the French character of the shit looking station at Gard du Nord and its surrounds and its such a shame that the British chose to regenerate St Pancras and its surrounds and lose its run down character.1 -
I used to have to travel to Ebbsfleet quite a lot from New Eltham.Off_it said:As this is a Charlton board I thought I would ask this train related question as someone is bound to know.
Why are there effectively two stations at Ebbsfleet, or at least two different sets of platforms that you can't interconnect between without coming out of the barriers and coming back in again.
And Northfleet station is within eyesight but there's no way of getting to it (or that line) without catching a train back to Gravesend.
For a new station it all seems badly planned but I'm guessing there must be a reason? Boring question, I know, but I've spent over an hour here today changing trains and going backwards and forwards so would love to know why!
So, over to the choo choo brigade - do your stuff!
I would go to Northfleet and walk across the car park to get to Ebbsfleet station, (about 12-15 minutes) which saved me going down to Gravesend and back again. (The premium on the fares starts at Gravesend if you use the HS line).
What the others said about the planning is spot on.
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Oh sure, I have great fun taking the piss out of Berlin, because its an exception. They tend to fire back asking whether Heathrow has stocked up with brooms to clear this winter's snow.letthegoodtimesroll said:
The Germans ??? Ask them about the building of the airport at Berlin;PragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
The French ??? Tell them you admire how they've managed to retain the French character of the shit looking station at Gard du Nord and its surrounds and its such a shame that the British chose to regenerate St Pancras and its surrounds and lose its run down character.
Gare du Nord is inexplicable. Fortunately you can avoid it, depending on where you are going on to. I'm taking the Disneyland Eurostar and then the RER to Gare du Lyon. The RER is basically CrossRail but the first one was built 40 years ago and there are I think four of them running from the outskirts right across Paris to the other side.
Really. Abbey Wood. Can anybody tell me why? Nobody in my family seems to know.
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I just called the girls in the office and they are pissin emselvesPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.1 -
Remember Bolton away (FACQF)....trains were great that day.sam3110 said:
Went to a Bayer Leverkusen game in March this year, from Koln, both the train there and back had extra carriages laid on because of the game and arrived at the station 10 minutes early to pick everyone up. They also ran more trains than normal before and after the game.PragueAddick said:
We invented the railways and football. Take a trip across Germany, take in a Bundesliga match, and wonder how it is that they do railways and football the way we used to.killerandflash said:
The intention is to keep Crossrail (powered by overhead power) separate from the SE 3rd rail network, which as we all know can be fairly ropey at timesPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
I imagine Ebsfleet has to be split into two because one half serves the international trains, with passport controls etc
Plus we had beers whilst watching, they had an excellent safe standing area where the Ultras lined up and the food was about half the price of what you'd get in Blighty.
Made me want to stay for longer to be honest, especially when we found out the season ticket prices!0 -
I watched a programme a few weeks ago which, apart from talking about the London Bridge to Greenwich track being the world's first commuter line, went on to describe how various lines in Kent came into being. Basically, the network is made up of lots of little privately owned empires. Hence why a number of towns have 2 non-connected stations.PragueAddick said:
That isn't the case. Some Javelins run into an adjacent platform to Eurostars.killerandflash said:
The intention is to keep Crossrail (powered by overhead power) separate from the SE 3rd rail network, which as we all know can be fairly ropey at timesPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
I imagine Ebsfleet has to be split into two because one half serves the international trains, with passport controls etc
The problem is that when you break up a national network into lots of little privately owned empires, nobody has any incentive to integrate the thing. The British approach to privatising the railways was suicidally stupid, and Ebbsfleet is one example of what you get.
Mind you that does not explain the Olympic Park fiasco. Who else trekked 15-20 minutes from West Ham or Stratford in 2012, only to find that a huge railway line runs directly under the middle of the Park and no ------ thought it might be smart to build a station there?
Turns out that of course the original plan did have that, as well as a stadium to be operated as well as built by McAlpine, thus zero cost to the taxpayer.
We invented the railways and football. Take a trip across Germany, take in a Bundesliga match, and wonder how it is that they do railways and football the way we used to.0 -
Yes but they are pissin emsleves at the thought of you being thrown out in 2019i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I just called the girls in the office and they are pissin emselvesPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
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As somebody who lives near Abbey Wood & Woolwich Arsenal stations Crossrail will be a great improvement to local transport in an area with a rapidly growing population.PragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
If the line went as far as Ebbsfleet the trains would be probably be full by the time they arrived at Abbey Wood.Also Ebbsfleet already has high speed services into Stratford & St Pancras.
Crossrail will also be controlled by TFL which should be a lot better than Southeastern.1 - Sponsored links:
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Its an age long debate (ie. Would we rather trains were run by TFL or SouthEastern)clive said:
As somebody who lives near Abbey Wood & Woolwich Arsenal stations Crossrail will be a great improvement to local transport in an area with a rapidly growing population.PragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.
If the line went as far as Ebbsfleet the trains would be probably be full by the time they arrived at Abbey Wood.Also Ebbsfleet already has high speed services into Stratford & St Pancras.
Crossrail will also be controlled by TFL which should be a lot better than Southeastern.
But to be fair to the latter, despite being rubbish I've never known them to Strike1 -
But if they did strike would you notice the difference?4
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The Liz line is due to be extended to Gravesend in a few years anyway.
Ebbsfleet station was also designed with the future Garden City in mind also.0 -
What's a Liz Line?1
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'We have had an anus horribilus'. I think it might have been said after having a dodgy ruby one night.Fumbluff said:What's a Liz Line?
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Its the real name of Crossrail... Its being called the Elizabeth LineFumbluff said:What's a Liz Line?
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On a similar note, what about the specially built new station at Coventry's ground where fans are told NOT to use the train .... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/25/coventry-city-ricoh-arena-train-station-open-football-fans-wasps1
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A few years eh? You know when they started the planning of The Crossrail we have now ? ( well we still don't)BDL said:The Liz line is due to be extended to Gravesend in a few years anyway.
Ebbsfleet station was also designed with the future Garden City in mind also.
1974...
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Clive, a pi$$ hole I know, but please don't be embarrassed to say you live in Plumsteadclive said:
As somebody who lives near Abbey Wood & Woolwich Arsenal stationsPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.2 -
Actually, as someone that lived in the area (well, Blackheath but obviously got out and about a lot over the years) I'm shocked at how everywhere in southeast London seems to have degenerated in recent years compared to the rest of London that just seems to be going more and more upmarket. Is it the shit transport system ?Robbo on the wing said:
Clive, a pi$$ hole I know, but please don't be embarrassed to say you live in Plumsteadclive said:
As somebody who lives near Abbey Wood & Woolwich Arsenal stationsPragueAddick said:
The Germans would laugh at that load of bollocks ( not the writer, but the pathetic excuses he relays.)Rothko said:Part one is cost and keeping the services separated. So late running north Kent line trains can't delay a Eurostar, and the location of the coast bound platforms make it expensive to connect easily to the NK line.
As for Northfleet station, on going issues, mainly around cost, and that Northfleet is one planning area, and Ebbsfleet another.
And why does Crossrail end at Abbey Wood and not Ebbsfleet? The French would laugh at that.0
