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Morgan Foxy
AddickFC81
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Yes Morgan had a poor game today. Constructive criticism is always fair enough. But abuse is over stepping the mark. He certainly doesn't deserve abuse. Today was bang out of order the way he was treated. He may not be the best ever LB but the boy does care.
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good post .. always thought Fox'd be better as a central defender .. whatever ..
Chicksen right now is a better bet at left back .. I was amazed today that Robinson Crusoe did not select him, not even as a left sided midfielder .. anyway, Fox is OK but not worth a spot a t m even in a pretty desperate team4 -
What abuse did he get,must have missed that unless you mean the booing, hardly abuse if so.
However I do agree he cares and he tries, that sad truth is he is nowhere near good enough.0 -
I don't think I have ever booed / cheered off one of our players who puts in a shift.
Hate modern football crowds at times
Head up Morgan38 -
No player is immune to criticism or abuse from fans.
It's how they react to it that matters.
I can fully understand our fans frustration towards Morgan, as he has been at fault a number of times this season.
You can't polish a turd.0 -
Same people that probably cheered off Makienok. Take a look where he is now. Scoring for Preston again today.7
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AFKABartram said:
Hate modern football crowds at times
Can today's effort technically be called a crowd??
Agree with the idiotic spouting off nonsense.
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There were a few worse than Fox today. That he was booed was scapegoating I thought.8
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Given that Chicksen is two footed, pacy and a reasonable football brain, decent at tackling; could he work as CM? Worked for Koch and Kishorn.2
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Don't agree with the booing of any player that plays for our team.
Hopefully he's allowed some time out of the team to come back stronger (I imagine he's getting dropped next game after that performance anyway).0 -
Fox is just as much a casualty of this dreadful Belgian ownership as the rest of us. He's been thrown into league football too soon because of the owner's misguided policy of milking the youth scheme for cash and refusal to pay for experience and depth in the squad. Fair play to him though, he never hides during a game - unlike some who did today.
My fear is he'll end up like Simon Francis. Basically destroyed as a Charlton player by bad management and a toxic home crowd (what's left of it)3 -
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the only player i have seen who i believe deserved to be booed whilst 'playing' for us was that fat prat Hasselbaink
also Roger Johnson is fair game.9 -
I feel a bit for Morgan, a charlton home grown player, full of heart, he's not blessed with the greatest of pace, and has the odd mistake in him, has a bad game or two in him , but gets pelters.seth plum said:There were a few worse than Fox today. That he was booed was scapegoating I thought.
He is not the reason we are where we are, I really hoped he would kick on with us this season , do people on CL think that he's more than good enough for us at this level, or is just never going to make it at Charlton?
I hope he can get his head down, work hard, get his game together and come back stronger.3 -
I think the problem is that his lack of pace shows him up a lot more in his position than anywhere else.Mendonca In Asdas said:
I feel a bit for Morgan, a charlton home grown player, full of heart, he's not blessed with the greatest of pace, and has the odd mistake in him, has a bad game or two in him , but gets pelters.seth plum said:There were a few worse than Fox today. That he was booed was scapegoating I thought.
He is not the reason we are where we are, I really hoped he would kick on with us this season , do people on CL think that he's more than good enough for us at this level, or is just never going to make it at Charlton?
I hope he can get his head down, work hard, get his game together and come back stronger.
Up against wingers that are usually the fastest players on the pitch, so Fox constantly gets beaten down the wing and unable to block crosses coming in. His mistakes are also capitalised on far more as he isn't able to track back quickly either.
Like someone else said maybe he's better suited as a CB, but might be too late by now.2 -
Not saying I agree with it but people who gave him abuse will argue they pay their entrance fee and will feel entitled to voice their opinions.
KR needs to have a little look at himself on this one, 1) For selecting him over Chicksen who had a very good game at Bradford and scored in midweek. 2) By failing to provide the cover in front if him so many on here say he needs. And 3) By withdrawing him from the field of play early, assuming he wasn't injured, thereby isolating him for critism.3 -
In some ways I hope he does, looking at Francis now.Missed It said:Fox is just as much a casualty of this dreadful Belgian ownership as the rest of us. He's been thrown into league football too soon because of the owner's misguided policy of milking the youth scheme for cash and refusal to pay for experience and depth in the squad. Fair play to him though, he never hides during a game - unlike some who did today.
My fear is he'll end up like Simon Francis. Basically destroyed as a Charlton player by bad management and a toxic home crowd (what's left of it)
The strange things is, I bet it is the same people who are banging on about stopping protests and supporting the team that are then booing players like Morgan.
Fruitnuts.
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A player shouldn't have to go through that though should they. Francis had the attributes to be a good player, Charlton destroyed his confidence. You could see he was practically paralysed with fear in his last games here. A fresh start, his own strength of character and decent management allowed him to reach a higher level.WSS said:
In some ways I hope he does, looking at Francis now.Missed It said:Fox is just as much a casualty of this dreadful Belgian ownership as the rest of us. He's been thrown into league football too soon because of the owner's misguided policy of milking the youth scheme for cash and refusal to pay for experience and depth in the squad. Fair play to him though, he never hides during a game - unlike some who did today.
My fear is he'll end up like Simon Francis. Basically destroyed as a Charlton player by bad management and a toxic home crowd (what's left of it)
The strange things is, I bet it is the same people who are banging on about stopping protests and supporting the team that are then booing players like Morgan.
Fruitnuts.
I'm not sure Fox has the level of ability to get any further than League One, certainly not the pace to play at full back higher up the leagues. Charlton could put a permanent dent in his career0 -
Sticking my neck out here, I don't think Fox is anywhere near as bad as people seem to make out, but I guess thats all simply debate, but many scouts rate him (assuming they aren't from the Network).
He does suffer when he's not got any protection in front of him. It's no surprise he has his best games when Jacko plays in front of him. TBH for all the hype Lookman is absolutely useless as any sort of protection in front of a full back, Botaka is little better.
I can see him leaving soon which will be a real shame, for one as I think we are losing a player who is 100% committed gives 100% effort and doesn't hide. I also think he can put in a mean cross, strangely often whilst on the move.
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Thing is neither of the goals conceded today were in anyway his fault!!... Others deserved much higher criticism
Its as I said prior to the game, simply by being selected ahead of Chicksen it meant that Fox was in a rough day from some before the match even started
Do those fans actually realise that Fox isnt demanding he play every week?0 -
He does get caught out of position a lot, and a couple of times today he got caught up field and wasn't busting a gut getting back.. that's just not trying very hard, and supporters hate that. I'm thinking the whole toxic atmosphere has affected the players.1
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To be fair though he was the one player trying to create anything... Where was Botaka and Lookman ahead of him to take on the ball meaning that Fox wasnt caught out of position? - I dont know many Footballers who can sprint the length of the pitch, sprint straight back down the length of the pitch again whilst managing to cope with a further 70-80minssatsuma27 said:He does get caught out of position a lot, and a couple of times today he got caught up field and wasn't busting a gut getting back.. that's just not trying very hard, and supporters hate that. I'm thinking the whole toxic atmosphere has affected the players.
These guys are fit but they're not superhuman3 -
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He does seem to have become a bit of a whipping boy now. However, I just don't think he is good enough -- especially if by some Christmas miracle we got back onto the Championship. And having to play behind Lookman doesn't help. Think Chicksen has to start at the Den on Wednesday - not that it matters too much, on today's performance the knuckle-draggers will eat us up and spit us out!0
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Quite simply we need to have Lookman and Konsa together on the right (Isnt Lookman right footed?) with Chicksen and Fox on the Left!!addick05 said:He does seem to have become a bit of a whipping boy now. However, I just don't think he is good enough -- especially if by some Christmas miracle we got back onto the Championship. And having to play behind Lookman doesn't help. Think Chicksen has to start at the Den on Wednesday - not that it matters too much, on today's performance the knuckle-draggers will eat us up and spit us out!
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And then Konsa gets exposed .
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When he scores the winner on Wednesday I hope he cups his ear to the away fans.3
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Certainly has more right to do it than Novak, winning goal against Chesterfield , cups his ear
, then misses a sitter minutes later.0 -
By all means boo and jeer players or team at full time but doing it during the match is ridiculous and has no positive impact on the player or the team.2
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I didn't and wouldn't boo Fox or any of the players (apart from the Wycombe cup game).
However, Fox has been absolutely shocking all season, apart from a few decent games in November.
How he can stay in the team beggars belief.
Until Fox, Crofts and Ajose are left out & we start a match with eleven competent players, we will not get above half way.
The same can be said for Foley & Jackson when they start in midfield.
We are carrying too many players that for whatever reason are not playing well enough for League 1.
Rudd, Phillips, Solly, Foley at RB, Bauer, Tex, Pearce, Chicksen, Holmes, Lookman, Ulvestad & Magennis are good enough.
The rest to a greater or lesser extent are not good enough to start and we shall continue to struggle if they do.
Look at the stats, virtually every week it's the same half dozen at the bottom (if they play).
Fox, Crofts, Foley, Ajose, Novak & Jackson. The stats are there !3 -
There were several people in the east stand who were bang out of order towards fox! He was sold short so many times by lookman, Bauer and tex who didn't want to get in trouble. The boy is charlton through and through and on Wednesday he will be the only one in the starting 11 who will know wot it means to the fans! The whole ground is lacking atmosphere, get behind the team not the regime was the word and his doesn't appear to be happening. We need to be the 12th man... if anyone needs moaning at today it's lookman and ajose both awful.5
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Simon Francis. Those two words should make Fox's more vehement critics on here stop and think.
Trouble is, I am not sure a lot of them are capable of thought.
In my opinion the only justification for booing a Charlton player is if he obviously is not trying. Such as Hasselbank or Johnson, as said above.
The people who boo Morgan Fox are cowards.10 -
Prague _ You are so right.Some of our fans are always looking for a scapegoat - Leaburn,Lisbie, Francis to name but a few.I will never boo a Charlton player and Foxy always gives his best5
