Time for the Back to The Valley Spirit
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To be fair mate, I agree. No one seems to expect a win against Millwall.
I think what's brought out this level of anger is all the other issues. When it rains it pours, so to speak.
Ultimately, you're bang on about the spirit we need. We need a little bit of fight and some focus on where it should aimed: those who have put us in this situation.
Defeats happen, more often than they should right now, but Charlton have always gone through shit times. Whens the last time anyone met a glory hunting addick?!
No. Our problem isn't the results, as frustrating as our annual capitulation at The Den is, it's the half empty ground, the insults from our owner and the constant mistakes from those running things. Let's direct our anger towards them.
Aa for Karl? He may be a bullshitter, he may be a chancer and he may be a bit of a lad; but there were signs against Bradford. I dont particularly think he's good for us, but I fear he's the best we're going to get - so let's not give COL a job.7 -
The difference is that, in the late 1980s, we had momentum both on, and off the pitch. We had an identifiable and enjoyable entity to engage us - i.e. Lennie, his team of grafters, and top-flight football. Compare that with now! The similarity between 1986/7 and 2016/17 is, of course, that we should not give up on our stated aim. We secured a return to The Valley. We must continue in our ongoing efforts to wrest our famous club from the Melexis Meddler.13
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How many chances do you give these people?
There have been so many abject performances, i go to Charlton games now expecting us to 1) play shit and 2) lose - and i'm normally not disappointed.
The club has a terminal disease, which will result in there no longer being a CAFC in no time at all.
Just wait til the latest financial numbers are released in March and see how much more 'we' owe Duchatelet.
Most people have had enough, walked away from the club, found other things to spend their money on - likely never to be seen again at The Valley.
I hate the stupid idiots who are doing this to OUR club - who do they think they are ?19 -
So as we, the fans, are obviously doing it wrong so far, what is your idea to get the owner to sell up?AddickFC81 said:I know fans are upset or angry or disappointed at what happened last night. Yes it was bad but it's time to calm down and move on now. Because no amount of anger or upset or disappointment will change what happend last night. We need to remember the spirit to get this club back to The Valley. We didn't do it by losing our tempers all the time. Nor this country win wars by losing its temper all the time. We need to in the short term bounce back from last night by getting back what had been gradually improving performances (apart from Swindon) starting with MK away on Boxing Day. And in medium and hopefully not too long term getting the owner to sell up once and for all to get us back to what we used to be as well as removing the CEO from her position. One thing is for sure we are not the first club to have around the world to have a bad defeat and perforamnce in a local derby and we certainly won't be the last either. So we need a Back to The Valley Spirit.
Genuine question.
And how do we, the fans, get the team to bounce back?0 -
By getting behind them.stonemuse said:
So as we, the fans, are obviously doing it wrong so far, what is your idea to get the owner to sell up?AddickFC81 said:I know fans are upset or angry or disappointed at what happened last night. Yes it was bad but it's time to calm down and move on now. Because no amount of anger or upset or disappointment will change what happend last night. We need to remember the spirit to get this club back to The Valley. We didn't do it by losing our tempers all the time. Nor this country win wars by losing its temper all the time. We need to in the short term bounce back from last night by getting back what had been gradually improving performances (apart from Swindon) starting with MK away on Boxing Day. And in medium and hopefully not too long term getting the owner to sell up once and for all to get us back to what we used to be as well as removing the CEO from her position. One thing is for sure we are not the first club to have around the world to have a bad defeat and perforamnce in a local derby and we certainly won't be the last either. So we need a Back to The Valley Spirit.
Genuine question.
And how do we, the fans, get the team to bounce back?2 -
Which is why we need to use the Back to The Valley to get him out.The_President said:How many chances do you give these people?
There have been so many abject performances, i go to Charlton games now expecting us to 1) play shit and 2) lose - and i'm normally not disappointed.
The club has a terminal disease, which will result in there no longer being a CAFC in no time at all.
Just wait til the latest financial numbers are released in March and see how much more 'we' owe Duchatelet.
Most people have had enough, walked away from the club, found other things to spend their money on - likely never to be seen again at The Valley.
I hate the stupid idiots who are doing this to OUR club - who do they think they are ?0 -
But that's what we have been doing. What is your new plan that has not been tried before? This is not the fault of the fans.AddickFC81 said:
By getting behind them.stonemuse said:
So as we, the fans, are obviously doing it wrong so far, what is your idea to get the owner to sell up?AddickFC81 said:I know fans are upset or angry or disappointed at what happened last night. Yes it was bad but it's time to calm down and move on now. Because no amount of anger or upset or disappointment will change what happend last night. We need to remember the spirit to get this club back to The Valley. We didn't do it by losing our tempers all the time. Nor this country win wars by losing its temper all the time. We need to in the short term bounce back from last night by getting back what had been gradually improving performances (apart from Swindon) starting with MK away on Boxing Day. And in medium and hopefully not too long term getting the owner to sell up once and for all to get us back to what we used to be as well as removing the CEO from her position. One thing is for sure we are not the first club to have around the world to have a bad defeat and perforamnce in a local derby and we certainly won't be the last either. So we need a Back to The Valley Spirit.
Genuine question.
And how do we, the fans, get the team to bounce back?4 -
2200 fans went yesterday. That IS support.stonemuse said:
But that's what we have been doing. What is your new plan that has not been tried before? This is not the fault of the fans.AddickFC81 said:
By getting behind them.stonemuse said:
So as we, the fans, are obviously doing it wrong so far, what is your idea to get the owner to sell up?AddickFC81 said:I know fans are upset or angry or disappointed at what happened last night. Yes it was bad but it's time to calm down and move on now. Because no amount of anger or upset or disappointment will change what happend last night. We need to remember the spirit to get this club back to The Valley. We didn't do it by losing our tempers all the time. Nor this country win wars by losing its temper all the time. We need to in the short term bounce back from last night by getting back what had been gradually improving performances (apart from Swindon) starting with MK away on Boxing Day. And in medium and hopefully not too long term getting the owner to sell up once and for all to get us back to what we used to be as well as removing the CEO from her position. One thing is for sure we are not the first club to have around the world to have a bad defeat and perforamnce in a local derby and we certainly won't be the last either. So we need a Back to The Valley Spirit.
Genuine question.
And how do we, the fans, get the team to bounce back?7 -
Frankly we needed a win last night to lift the spirits and to provide some respite from worrying about all the continuous calamities that come out of our club...
It didn't happen so there is double disappointmentI.1 -
I'm a bit confused here, just exactly how will a 'back to the Valley spirit' turn that shower of sh*t last night into a top six outfit? It's a bit too soon to forgive and forget and remember it's a two way stretch. Provided the team and formation KR puts out on Boxing Day reacts in the right way the fans will get behind them as they always will.
Serve up more dross and the natives will remain restless not just with the regime and all the pleading 'to get behind the team' is only going to fall on deaf ears I'm afraid.1 -
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Few are angry about last night. Most of us expected it. The anger is reserved for the much bigger problem which just won't go away.4
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We all need to realise that what happens off the pitch is more important than what happens on the pitch.
As much as a win, any win, over Millwall would be gratefully received, we can never truly move forward until Duchatelet has gone.
I worry that a win last night would have meant to many that all is rosy in the garden. It isn't and a win against the scum in 3 weeks still won't make it so.3 -
Problem number 1: the interference of the savant Duchatelet and his appointees in the running of the club
Problem number 2: the basic lack of competence and experience of running a successful football club of Duchatelet and his appointees.
Rest of the problems (unbalanced squad, light squad, players playing out of position, no settled structure) see problems 1 and 2.
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Difference is, back then we were ALL behind the movement to get us back home; not only the fans but the great people who made up the board. Today we are in the midst of a three-way civil war. By that I mean us, Douchebag and the seemingly blind idiots who slag off CARD and all the fantastic fans - not bloody 'customers' - who are trying to get rid of the cancer which WILL kill off our club.3
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I never said it wasstonemuse said:
But that's what we have been doing. What is your new plan that has not been tried before? This is not the fault of the fans.AddickFC81 said:
By getting behind them.stonemuse said:
So as we, the fans, are obviously doing it wrong so far, what is your idea to get the owner to sell up?AddickFC81 said:I know fans are upset or angry or disappointed at what happened last night. Yes it was bad but it's time to calm down and move on now. Because no amount of anger or upset or disappointment will change what happend last night. We need to remember the spirit to get this club back to The Valley. We didn't do it by losing our tempers all the time. Nor this country win wars by losing its temper all the time. We need to in the short term bounce back from last night by getting back what had been gradually improving performances (apart from Swindon) starting with MK away on Boxing Day. And in medium and hopefully not too long term getting the owner to sell up once and for all to get us back to what we used to be as well as removing the CEO from her position. One thing is for sure we are not the first club to have around the world to have a bad defeat and perforamnce in a local derby and we certainly won't be the last either. So we need a Back to The Valley Spirit.
Genuine question.
And how do we, the fans, get the team to bounce back?0 -
sadly this is so true,lets hope he sells quick and we get an owner who is a supporter/ex player/manager.Can only think of one A.C surely his got a few quid to buy usaddick05 said:Difference is, back then we were ALL behind the movement to get us back home; not only the fans but the great people who made up the board. Today we are in the midst of a three-way civil war. By that I mean us, Douchebag and the seemingly blind idiots who slag off CARD and all the fantastic fans - not bloody 'customers' - who are trying to get rid of the cancer which WILL kill off our club.
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Your right, we stand up and try to save the club, form a unified group with a common goal, a bit like the Valley Party or CARD/Belgian 20 or something, good idea2
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We're you not the fella suggesting the fans were at fault yesterday?
I mAy be wrong, in which case "sorry ".
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I regret the OP proposition is more than a little simplistic. Just what are you asking people to unite behind?
Over 2000 people went to support their team the other night. They were let down by a seriously inadequate performance.
Depending on whose figures you choose to believe between 5000/ 7000 people regularly turn up to watch/ support the team perform in a stadium designed for 4 times that number. They are invariably disappointed with the performance, and/or the atmosphere and or the match day experience. They have suffered increasing disappointment for far too long. It is human nature to respond to such adversity.
Another 5000/ 7000 people have long since walked away.
All have been told by the executive they are largely irrelevant, their memories are meaningless, they are weird, they are dumb/ stupid for holding the values they do. When challenged about the reducing support the executive dismisses their absence as unimportant.
Your call for the unity of back to the Valley is admirable but ignores the divisiveness of an executive who pay lip service to any such goal.
The owner appears to be self obsessed. The club executive reflect the same dynamic. Every action and pronouncement is driven through the prism of protecting their personal interests.
Their stance steadfastly positions the executive and only the executive as being the club.
By their determination if you support the club you have to by definition to support this executive, no matter how calamitously poor their decision making may be. It is an autocracy presenting an exclusive proposition more akin to a cult discipline. The message is "support us or go". It is reminiscent of a Scientology. Any who speak against the "Church" must be targeted, discredited, marginalized no matter the truth we can all behold.
So just who are you expecting supporters to unite behind;
- the owner who is never there?
- the CEO who defames supporters?
- the paranoid COO who introduces draconian security measures on a whim?
- the CFO who is no more than a bookkeeper for Staprix NV
- the worthy club secretary who is in thrall of the executive
- the worthy clubs secretary's spouse who maligns sundry supporters at will
- the 8th manager/ head coach in 3yrs who could be gone in 3 months?
- the 9th manager/ head coach who will appear in 3 months?
- the Senior Playing squad of which 9 will be out of contract at seasons end?
- the 4/5 players who have been in and around the Senior Playing squad for more than 18 months?
- the next influx of 2/3/4/5/6 players drafted in for the next "new" era
Or the spirit you seek to invoke steeped in a history which has been denigrated and dismissed at every turn.
In case you have not noticed there is increasingly nothing of any substance left to unite behind.
I commend your call for a new beginning. I commend your call for a "rebirth of the club" but if you think it can happen in the current environment I fear you are clutching at the thinnest and shortest of straws.26 -
We have to keep putting straws on the camel's back. Nobody said this would be easy, or quick. We are dealing with a mad man and idiot here.stonemuse said:
So as we, the fans, are obviously doing it wrong so far, what is your idea to get the owner to sell up?AddickFC81 said:I know fans are upset or angry or disappointed at what happened last night. Yes it was bad but it's time to calm down and move on now. Because no amount of anger or upset or disappointment will change what happend last night. We need to remember the spirit to get this club back to The Valley. We didn't do it by losing our tempers all the time. Nor this country win wars by losing its temper all the time. We need to in the short term bounce back from last night by getting back what had been gradually improving performances (apart from Swindon) starting with MK away on Boxing Day. And in medium and hopefully not too long term getting the owner to sell up once and for all to get us back to what we used to be as well as removing the CEO from her position. One thing is for sure we are not the first club to have around the world to have a bad defeat and perforamnce in a local derby and we certainly won't be the last either. So we need a Back to The Valley Spirit.
Genuine question.
And how do we, the fans, get the team to bounce back?0 -
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You can count the idiots who slag of CARD using your fingers. It is a two way battle - the mad, lying, cowardly, pathetic owner and his incompetent CEO and the fans. When we give up fighting this bafoon we give up on Charlton. I will never give up on my club. I am CHARLTON TILL I DIE.addick05 said:Difference is, back then we were ALL behind the movement to get us back home; not only the fans but the great people who made up the board. Today we are in the midst of a three-way civil war. By that I mean us, Douchebag and the seemingly blind idiots who slag off CARD and all the fantastic fans - not bloody 'customers' - who are trying to get rid of the cancer which WILL kill off our club.
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The back to the Valley spirit can only happen if the board, the manager, the team and us fans are all pulling in the same direction.
I wonder where we are failing right now?1 -
You weren't wrong. I notice that the OP starts this type of thread but then disappears once questions are put to him or decent counter arguments are made.Off_it said:We're you not the fella suggesting the fans were at fault yesterday?
I mAy be wrong, in which case "sorry ".
Then he starts a similar thread a day or two later.4 -
When we beat the Germans in WW2, you couldn't say the allies were fighting the Germans and Lord Haw Haw and his mates. Those handful of Lord Haw Haws on another site and one or two on here are irrelevant. One, who I did previously have some respect for in terms of his knowledge of the game, not his mood swings! Has now shown himself to be a grass.0
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I have to agree with Grapevines excellent piece. Unless RD sells up in the next year or so the club will be finished; probably playing in a lower league in front of 4,000 'customers'. By then most of us will be long gone. In the 50 + years I have supported the Addicks I've seen relegations, the odd promotion, couple of trips to Wembley, some woeful teams, some GREAT teams, good managers, crap managers, being thrown out of our 'home' and the joy of going back, NEVER have I felt so depressed and really wonder if I can go anymore. Just where is the light at the end of the tunnel?6
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Good post Addick05, the same as you i have been watching Charlton for 50+ years and have been through the good times and the bad times alike.addick05 said:I have to agree with Grapevines excellent piece. Unless RD sells up in the next year or so the club will be finished; probably playing in a lower league in front of 4,000 'customers'. By then most of us will be long gone. In the 50 + years I have supported the Addicks I've seen relegations, the odd promotion, couple of trips to Wembley, some woeful teams, some GREAT teams, good managers, crap managers, being thrown out of our 'home' and the joy of going back, NEVER have I felt so depressed and really wonder if I can go anymore. Just where is the light at the end of the tunnel?
I am now boycotting home games and will not be coming regularly until Roland sells up.
As for the light at the end of the tunnel we all know what that is, but depressingly it is a long time coming0
