What was special about this match? Was before my days as an addick.
In simple terms it was today's equivalent of Rotherham ( a lowly Championship side) playing Man City or Arsenal and leading 2-0 after 15 minutes. Ipswich were a top 4 team in the top tier at the time.
We were then denied a potentially lucrative replay by a penalty that wasn't!
What was special about this match? Was before my days as an addick.
In simple terms it was today's equivalent of Rotherham ( a lowly Championship side) playing Man City or Arsenal and leading 2-0 after 15 minutes. Ipswich were a top 4 team in the top tier at the time.
We were then denied a potentially lucrative replay by a penalty that wasn't!
I too used to think we were hard done by with the penalty award but every time I see it now I wonder just how did Les Berry not get a red card?
We were crap at the time but we did have Allan Simonsen playing who was as good or better than anything Ipswich had.
Ipswich were definitely just past their best and were at the very start of their decline. Bobby Robson had left and I think Bobby Ferguson was manager by then. They did still have some excellent players like Wark, Thijssen, Brazil and Butcher plus the underrated Gates but also had a number of really ordinary players like Steggles, Yallop, D'Avray and Sivell.
The crowd was something like 16,699 but it seemed like more and Ipswich had a really big away following. Brazil was clean through after about a minute but Johns came out and saved....then we broke brilliantly on them a couple of times and went 2-0 up. Then it was end to end for a while before they got their penalty and the deflected Thijssen shot.
2nd half was mainly them with some good breaks by us. Johns was a hero and had Brazil thumping the ground in frustration but just when it looked like we might hold on, we were done by John Wark's volley. Our players had run themselves into the ground and it was gutting.
Great game and so typical of what the old FA Cup was all about.
18,000? The ground held about 65,000 at the time. I'm not sure how another fifty odd thousand could have fit in. Those were the days when we pretended there were less there than more.
18,000? The ground held about 65,000 at the time. I'm not sure how another fifty odd thousand could have fit in. Those were the days when we pretended there were less there than more.
Pretty much a standard practice for all clubs, and with mainly, if not exclusively, cash sales apart from season ticket holders, very easy to hide income from the Revenue.
18,000? The ground held about 65,000 at the time. I'm not sure how another fifty odd thousand could have fit in. Those were the days when we pretended there were less there than more.
Think the capacity was well down by then. We had the vast East Terrace but were all-seater behind both goals and a subbuteo style "main" stand flanked by small terraces. Might have been able to squeeze 30,000 in as long as we didn't have that TV gantry built in the middle of the East Terrace.
Must viewing for all modern addicks that don't realise the modern Charlton flattering to deceive is just a continuation of old Charlton. The Curbs years were a blip in the continual years of mediocrity.
Must viewing for all modern addicks that don't realise the modern Charlton flattering to deceive is just a continuation of old Charlton. The Curbs years were a blip in the continual years of mediocrity.
Old Charlton? What like old Lennie, or old Jimmy Seed? Or is this some kind of whoosh moment
The team that day (appearances for us in brackets):
Nicky Johns - one of our best ever keepers (288) Steve Gritt - Charlton legend, player and manager (380) Paul Elliott - era equivalent of Joe Gomez as sold to meet debts but still played three times as many games for us as Gomez did. Still around the Club today (63) Les Berry - limited footballer but always gave 100% and great servant to the Club (358) Mark Aizlewood - won the fans over after an uncertain start. True to say that he has had his fair share of personal issues in the last decade or so (152) Carl Harris - Welsh International winger who was signed from Leeds but struggled with injuries during his three years with us. No Kashi though as evidenced by his number of appearances (76) Don McAllister - "dirty" Don as he was so affectionately known came to us late in his career (55) Terry Bullivant don't really remember much about him save the fact that he was a tidy player. Only with us for one season (31) Martin Robinson a bit of an unsung hero by some but always gave his all and could either play as a left winger or up top (228) Allan Simonsen "tis better to have loved and lost....." is probably apt enough. "Charlton signing a former European Footballer Of The Year? Yeh course we are!" I could hear my Dad chuckle in disbelief as if it were today (16) Derek Hales - "Killer". 150 plus goals. Enough said. (320)
A team full of characters and despite Paul Elliott leaving us as a 19 year old and Simonsen's "cameo" like season they made almost 2,000 appearances between them for us. Our starting line up this week had barely 500 appearances of which more than 300 of those have come from Solly (would have been sold by now but for his knees) and Fox (who will, by all accounts, be going in this window).
And they wonder why our fans have such little affinity with the Club!
Big handle bar moustache. Looked like one of the Village People. played like one as well half the time. Proper Charlton legend.
I remember in our mid-80's promotion season dear old Les was on his last legs for us and was a squad player who never got much of a look in (Pender and Thommo were doing so well). During the run in he was called upon and you could sense the feeling of trepidation in the crowd, only for him to have a stormer. I remember him bringing the ball out from the back, beating a man, then another as the crowd shouted "Ole" and he turned and waved his fist in the air in celebration. A classic moment.
Please someone tell me they remember this too and I'm not making it up. Please!
Selhurst Park. Home game. Someone like Huddersfield in the back half of the season.
Edit: Just had to get out of bed to look it up. 12th April 1986, beat Huddersfield 3-0. Over 30 years ago and I remembered it. So how come I can't remember what I did last week ffs?!
Big handle bar moustache. Looked like one of the Village People. played like one as well half the time. Proper Charlton legend.
I remember in our mid-80's promotion season dear old Les was on his last legs for us and was a squad player who never got much of a look in (Pender and Thommo were doing so well). During the run in he was called upon and you could sense the feeling of trepidation in the crowd, only for him to have a stormer. I remember him bringing the ball out from the back, beating a man, then another as the crowd shouted "Ole" and he turned and waved his fist in the air in celebration. A classic moment.
Please someone tell me they remember this too and I'm not making it up. Please!
Selhurst Park. Home game. Someone like Huddersfield in the back half of the season.
Edit: Just had to get out of bed to look it up. 12th April 1986, beat Huddersfield 3-0. Over 30 years ago and I remembered it. So how come I can't remember what I did last week ffs?!
Remember Les playing a small bit part in that season and the Ole's , can't help you with the Village People or fist pump but you may be getting mixed up with a different pastime
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We were then denied a potentially lucrative replay by a penalty that wasn't!
We were crap at the time but we did have Allan Simonsen playing who was as good or better than anything Ipswich had.
Ipswich were definitely just past their best and were at the very start of their decline. Bobby Robson had left and I think Bobby Ferguson was manager by then. They did still have some excellent players like Wark, Thijssen, Brazil and Butcher plus the underrated Gates but also had a number of really ordinary players like Steggles, Yallop, D'Avray and Sivell.
The crowd was something like 16,699 but it seemed like more and Ipswich had a really big away following. Brazil was clean through after about a minute but Johns came out and saved....then we broke brilliantly on them a couple of times and went 2-0 up. Then it was end to end for a while before they got their penalty and the deflected Thijssen shot.
2nd half was mainly them with some good breaks by us. Johns was a hero and had Brazil thumping the ground in frustration but just when it looked like we might hold on, we were done by John Wark's volley. Our players had run themselves into the ground and it was gutting.
Great game and so typical of what the old FA Cup was all about.
Or is this some kind of whoosh moment
Nicky Johns - one of our best ever keepers (288)
Steve Gritt - Charlton legend, player and manager (380)
Paul Elliott - era equivalent of Joe Gomez as sold to meet debts but still played three times as many games for us as Gomez did. Still around the Club today (63)
Les Berry - limited footballer but always gave 100% and great servant to the Club (358)
Mark Aizlewood - won the fans over after an uncertain start. True to say that he has had his fair share of personal issues in the last decade or so (152)
Carl Harris - Welsh International winger who was signed from Leeds but struggled with injuries during his three years with us. No Kashi though as evidenced by his number of appearances (76)
Don McAllister - "dirty" Don as he was so affectionately known came to us late in his career (55)
Terry Bullivant don't really remember much about him save the fact that he was a tidy player. Only with us for one season (31)
Martin Robinson a bit of an unsung hero by some but always gave his all and could either play as a left winger or up top (228)
Allan Simonsen "tis better to have loved and lost....." is probably apt enough. "Charlton signing a former European Footballer Of The Year? Yeh course we are!" I could hear my Dad chuckle in disbelief as if it were today (16)
Derek Hales - "Killer". 150 plus goals. Enough said. (320)
A team full of characters and despite Paul Elliott leaving us as a 19 year old and Simonsen's "cameo" like season they made almost 2,000 appearances between them for us. Our starting line up this week had barely 500 appearances of which more than 300 of those have come from Solly (would have been sold by now but for his knees) and Fox (who will, by all accounts, be going in this window).
And they wonder why our fans have such little affinity with the Club!
Big handle bar moustache. Looked like one of the Village People. played like one as well half the time. Proper Charlton legend.
I remember in our mid-80's promotion season dear old Les was on his last legs for us and was a squad player who never got much of a look in (Pender and Thommo were doing so well). During the run in he was called upon and you could sense the feeling of trepidation in the crowd, only for him to have a stormer. I remember him bringing the ball out from the back, beating a man, then another as the crowd shouted "Ole" and he turned and waved his fist in the air in celebration. A classic moment.
Please someone tell me they remember this too and I'm not making it up. Please!
Selhurst Park. Home game. Someone like Huddersfield in the back half of the season.
Edit: Just had to get out of bed to look it up. 12th April 1986, beat Huddersfield 3-0. Over 30 years ago and I remembered it. So how come I can't remember what I did last week ffs?!