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Josh Umerah- loan to Kilmarnock

Sid James Fan Club
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Good luck to him , I think he will do well, however read the official news, it's priceless comedy gold from KR. He seems to think the Scottish premier is lower than league one for starters.......
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  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,239
    It is
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,967
    Well ee signed Magennis from them, and it was his choice to leave and join us, so he thought it was a step up!
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    Sid James Fan Club said:

    Good luck to him , I think he will do well, however read the official news, it's priceless comedy gold from KR. He seems to think the Scottish premier is lower than league one for starters.......

    Although what he actually said:

    "Manager Karl Robinson said: “Josh had a number of different options but we felt the SPL and some of the clubs in it – Rangers, Celtic, Hearts – there are some big football clubs up there and he’ll be playing in front of some big crowds. To play for Charlton Athletic, you need to know how to cope with that."

    Read more at http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-athletic-football-club-josh-umerah-loan-move-3548050.aspx#fIyGSCSWjI2906my.99
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    edited January 2017
    Our strikers so far this season: Watt unfit, Josh injured, Novak unfit ,Lookman, Ajose, Hanlan, Umerah, . Onwards and upwards!
  • GreenWithEnvy
    GreenWithEnvy Posts: 1,848
    Good luck Josh!
  • Sid James Fan Club
    Sid James Fan Club Posts: 337
    Oggy Red said:

    Sid James Fan Club said:

    Good luck to him , I think he will do well, however read the official news, it's priceless comedy gold from KR. He seems to think the Scottish premier is lower than league one for starters.......

    Although what he actually said:

    "Manager Karl Robinson said: “Josh had a number of different options but we felt the SPL and some of the clubs in it – Rangers, Celtic, Hearts – there are some big football clubs up there and he’ll be playing in front of some big crowds. To play for Charlton Athletic, you need to know how to cope with that."

    Read more at http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-athletic-football-club-josh-umerah-loan-move-3548050.aspx#fIyGSCSWjI2906my.99
    His last sentence there is key..... What big crowds? Is he looking at a photo in the reception?
    With the recent loanee from Arsenal coming in, it kind of questions the logic to why he goes out? I get its a different environment, but to date, he has not really had chance. Could he for example have done any worse than the kid coming in - who is never going to play for Charlton beyond May.
    As I said I think Josh will do well, so good luck to him.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,283
    Why is a spanner posting this?
  • Sid James Fan Club
    Sid James Fan Club Posts: 337
    Henry Irving said:

    Why is a spanner posting this?

    I hate any manual work - thank you very much
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,967
    Sid James Fan Club said:

    Oggy Red said:

    Sid James Fan Club said:

    Good luck to him , I think he will do well, however read the official news, it's priceless comedy gold from KR. He seems to think the Scottish premier is lower than league one for starters.......

    Although what he actually said:

    "Manager Karl Robinson said: “Josh had a number of different options but we felt the SPL and some of the clubs in it – Rangers, Celtic, Hearts – there are some big football clubs up there and he’ll be playing in front of some big crowds. To play for Charlton Athletic, you need to know how to cope with that."

    Read more at http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-athletic-football-club-josh-umerah-loan-move-3548050.aspx#fIyGSCSWjI2906my.99
    His last sentence there is key..... What big crowds? Is he looking at a photo in the reception?
    With the recent loanee from Arsenal coming in, it kind of questions the logic to why he goes out? I get its a different environment, but to date, he has not really had chance. Could he for example have done any worse than the kid coming in - who is never going to play for Charlton beyond May.
    As I said I think Josh will do well, so good luck to him.
    Mavdidi has played regularly for England youth teamss, so on that basis ought to be better
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,061
    I can never work out if SJFC is Millwall, Charlton or both.

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,283
    Covered End said:

    I can never work out if SJFC is Millwall, Charlton or both.

    "Unique"
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Killie have also signed Connor Salmon. It will restrict his chances but perhaps be good for his development because hold-up play is an area he lacks and Salmon is an expert, hope he learns in training.
  • DOC64
    DOC64 Posts: 333
    edited January 2017
    Kilmarnock are strapped for cash and apart from the games against Rangers and Celtic play in front of home crowds of about 4 thousand. Josh Magennis will have at least doubled his money by joining Charlton.

    The ever popular Lee Clark is not afraid to use youngsters and has just signed 3 Newcastle youngsters on loan as well as an 18 year old from Celtic. There are also 3 local lads aged 16 and 17 that have featured this season.

    The overall standard in the SPL is probably lower League 1 / upper League 2 with the exception being Celtic and possibly Rangers.
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,556
    Why would we loan him out if its a step up?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,477
    Sid James Fan Club said:

    Oggy Red said:

    Sid James Fan Club said:

    Good luck to him , I think he will do well, however read the official news, it's priceless comedy gold from KR. He seems to think the Scottish premier is lower than league one for starters.......

    Although what he actually said:

    "Manager Karl Robinson said: “Josh had a number of different options but we felt the SPL and some of the clubs in it – Rangers, Celtic, Hearts – there are some big football clubs up there and he’ll be playing in front of some big crowds. To play for Charlton Athletic, you need to know how to cope with that."

    Read more at http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/charlton-athletic-football-club-josh-umerah-loan-move-3548050.aspx#fIyGSCSWjI2906my.99
    His last sentence there is key..... What big crowds? Is he looking at a photo in the reception?
    With the recent loanee from Arsenal coming in, it kind of questions the logic to why he goes out? I get its a different environment, but to date, he has not really had chance. Could he for example have done any worse than the kid coming in - who is never going to play for Charlton beyond May.
    As I said I think Josh will do well, so good luck to him.
    Mavididi has scored loads of goals at the U23 level above ours (or maybe it's two above ours, unclear how that works). As pointed out elsewhere, he's also played for England youth team which would indicate he has more ability than Umerah, at least now.

    Umerah has gone out to get games. KR presumably feels that he is not quite ready for the first team. SM also has the advantage that he can play wide, whereas Josh is pretty exclusively a center forward.

    Personally I think it's exactly what he needs--games in senior football.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,502
    What a god forsaken place to be heading for in the middle of winter.....something of a culture shock too for young Josh.
    Can only describe his next few months as "character building"......ermmm good luck Josh!
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I watched Josh on Monday and in my view this loan move (provided he gets game time) is a good thing for his development.
    I used to have a notion that Dillon Phillips would come through the melee of goalkeepers we has a year or two ago, with forwards it is harder, but I think there is something about Umerah.
    For me the issue with Umerah's playing style is finding his ideal position and playing partner(s), however overall he strikes me as a better prospect than Joe Piggott was at a similar stage of development.
    Good luck Josh, knock 'em dead och aye the noo.
  • andynelson
    andynelson Posts: 1,951
    Kilmarnock are a good family club, a bit like Charlton, and I think he'll do well there. The last London player they loaned was a LB from Chelsea, Gordon, who was very popular there, and after he didn't make it at Chelsea he went back because he liked it so much there.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,150
    Good move for him, I think he's one that could make it with us.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,502
    edited February 2017
    andynelson said:

    Kilmarnock are a good family club, a bit like Charlton, and I think he'll do well there. The last London player they loaned was a LB from Chelsea, Gordon, who was very popular there, and after he didn't make it at Chelsea he went back because he liked it so much there.

    Is that so.
    Incidentally......I think describing us as 'a good family club' is somewhat wide of the mark don't you!

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  • andynelson
    andynelson Posts: 1,951
    SoundAsa£ said:

    andynelson said:

    Kilmarnock are a good family club, a bit like Charlton, and I think he'll do well there. The last London player they loaned was a LB from Chelsea, Gordon, who was very popular there, and after he didn't make it at Chelsea he went back because he liked it so much there.

    Is that so.
    Incidentally......I think describing us as 'a good family club' is somewhat wide of the mark don't you!
    It's just a blip!
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    DOC64 said:

    Kilmarnock are strapped for cash and apart from the games against Rangers and Celtic play in front of home crowds of about 4 thousand. Josh Magennis will have at least doubled his money by joining Charlton.

    The ever popular Lee Clark is not afraid to use youngsters and has just signed 3 Newcastle youngsters on loan as well as an 18 year old from Celtic. There are also 3 local lads aged 16 and 17 that have featured this season.

    The overall standard in the SPL is probably lower League 1 / upper League 2 with the exception being Celtic and possibly Rangers.

    Aberdeen are two points behind Rangers with a game in hand and we pumped Rangers 4-1 last night.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,502
    cafcdave123 said:

    DOC64 said:

    Kilmarnock are strapped for cash and apart from the games against Rangers and Celtic play in front of home crowds of about 4 thousand. Josh Magennis will have at least doubled his money by joining Charlton.

    The ever popular Lee Clark is not afraid to use youngsters and has just signed 3 Newcastle youngsters on loan as well as an 18 year old from Celtic. There are also 3 local lads aged 16 and 17 that have featured this season.

    The overall standard in the SPL is probably lower League 1 / upper League 2 with the exception being Celtic and possibly Rangers.

    Aberdeen are two points behind Rangers with a game in hand and we pumped Rangers 4-1 last night.
    Who's we?
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    SoundAsa£ said:

    cafcdave123 said:

    DOC64 said:

    Kilmarnock are strapped for cash and apart from the games against Rangers and Celtic play in front of home crowds of about 4 thousand. Josh Magennis will have at least doubled his money by joining Charlton.

    The ever popular Lee Clark is not afraid to use youngsters and has just signed 3 Newcastle youngsters on loan as well as an 18 year old from Celtic. There are also 3 local lads aged 16 and 17 that have featured this season.

    The overall standard in the SPL is probably lower League 1 / upper League 2 with the exception being Celtic and possibly Rangers.

    Aberdeen are two points behind Rangers with a game in hand and we pumped Rangers 4-1 last night.
    Who's we?
    Sorry, Hearts.

    Not saying that you can include Aberdeen and Hearts with Celtic just that you can't include Rangers.
  • andynelson
    andynelson Posts: 1,951
    Kilmarnock recently sold their best player, Coulibaly for £800,000, so together with the sale of Magennis in the summer, that should mean opportunities for Umerah as they try to fill the gap up front. Scottish defences aren't that great, but Francis Jeffers played 14 games for Rangers without a single goal, so he'll need to work hard to take those opportunities if he wants to advance his career. We had another Youth player who went up to Kilmarnock 3 or 4 years ago, very fast striker, who didn't make it, can't remember his name, Donovan or something like it? And that Liverpool kid ended up there too, scoring something like 1 in 12 games.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    Azeez is up at Partick, not sure where they have been playing him/how well he's been playing but he only has 1 goal in twenty odd games
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited February 2017
    cafcdave123 said:

    Azeez is up at Partick, not sure where they have been playing him/how well he's been playing but he only has 1 goal in twenty odd games</blockquote

    Not a bad return for a striker with charlton connections.

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,967
    andynelson said:

    Kilmarnock recently sold their best player, Coulibaly for £800,000, so together with the sale of Magennis in the summer, that should mean opportunities for Umerah as they try to fill the gap up front. Scottish defences aren't that great, but Francis Jeffers played 14 games for Rangers without a single goal, so he'll need to work hard to take those opportunities if he wants to advance his career. We had another Youth player who went up to Kilmarnock 3 or 4 years ago, very fast striker, who didn't make it, can't remember his name, Donovan or something like it? And that Liverpool kid ended up there too, scoring something like 1 in 12 games.

    Quite a step up for him really, this is someone who's only made 2 brief sub appearances for us in the league, so far less experienced than Hanlan or KAG for example
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,744
    Rangers, Celtic, Hearts – there are some big football clubs up there and he’ll be playing in front of some big crowds. To play for Charlton Athletic, you need to know how to cope with that."

    Karl, think you have been talking to Daisy to much. Try opening your eyes as much as your mouth and you might notice some large vacant areas at the Valley.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,967
    Umerah seems to have made 4 sub appearances for Killie, with none since the 18th of March, so it's not been a terribly successful loan for either party really

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