Wholeheartedly agree. Things are so skewed against the younger generation at present its hard to see how things will play out without some seismic shift in policy which we all know won't come from a Tory government.
I'm convinced the alternative being preached by Corbyn is not fundamentally going to help or convince the voters.
Tragically. The "young vote" is the least organised and mobilised of the electoral spectrum.
Leads me to believe that at some point in the future there will inevitably be civil disobedience and significant protest.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
@SELR_addicks posted a number of articles about the impact that pensioners have had on under-30s, and none of them is to do with the fact that they aren't dying quickly enough.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
there is a bigger disparity now than 50 years ago between the super rich and the poor ....things like means testing heating allowances/Prescriptions/tv licences for OAPS might help but id be after targeting big corporations and the super rich
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Us baby boomers have just sat on our arses for the past 40 odd years and have had everything handed to us on a plate by a succession of sympathetic Governments.
according to the ONS as at 2015 the demographics of the country were
0 to 15 years 18.9%
16 to 64 years 60.9%
65 years and over 20.2%
There is a correlation between age and likelihood of voting. Only 50 per cent of men aged 18-to-24, and 39 per cent of women, voted in 2010’s general election. Among those aged 55 and over, 76 per cent of men and 73 per cent of women voted.
Only 16 per cent of 18-to-24-year-olds are certain to vote in an election, while 30 per cent in this age category told the Hansard Society that they are certain not to vote.
Voters aged over 75 are more than four times as likely to be “absolutely certain to vote” than voters aged 18-to-24
In a ComRes survey in February, only 60 per cent of 18-to-24-year-olds said they cared who won the coming general election.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
What phone do you use? What TV do you have at home? How much does that Sky subscription cost?
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
Going back many of the people that you refer to (pensioners) had to do 2 years of national service, and earlier than that they had to fight a bloody war to give some people your age the freedom to bitch and moan that life hasn't handed everything on a plate to you....oh yes and no one my age had a 'gap year' whereby they could ponce of their parents for a year or so, after partying at university for 2-3 years........in the world we live in now, everything is always someone else's fault, do me favour! Life is out there, go out and grab which ever part of it you want.......or sit and wallow in self pity......you choose.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
When I started work in 1970, I got paid £64 a month. Today, that would be almost exactly £950 a month. By my reckoning, that's a little over the equivalent minimum wage today. Yet I had a good job and had to pay to commute into the City. After I'd paid my parents for my board and lodging and paid for my season ticket I had enough left for maybe one night out a week. I wouldn't have been able to afford transport if I had not had use of one of my Dad's vans. Paying for holidays of any description was not a consideration. Other things, too were expensive. An album, vinyl of course, was £1 12s 6d. That's £24.15 in today's money. A pocket calculator would have set you back the equivalent of £880; land line rental was more than today: if you could get one from the GPO! There was a shocking waiting list. A basic colour TV 22" would have cost the equivalent of £4990. Final salary pensions were a good deal but so much more affordable for employers as life expectancy was only 72.
Still, on the plus side, we weren't all fat bastards like today.
Lots of items such as electrical goods and food (and also flights) are a lot cheaper than they were 50 years ago due to advances in technology. You can't compare growing up in the 50s with 2010. Also baby boomers are benefitting from the cheaper food and holidays the young are "lucky" to have just as much.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
Going back many of the people that you refer to (pensioners) had to do 2 years of national service, and earlier than that they had to fight a bloody war to give some people your age the freedom to bitch and moan that life hasn't handed everything on a plate to you....oh yes and no one my age had a 'gap year' whereby they could ponce of their parents for a year or so, after partying at university for 2-3 years........in the world we live in now, everything is always someone else's fault, do me favour! Life is out there, go out and grab which ever part of it you want.......or sit and wallow in self pity......you choose.
The vast majority of people who are of pension age have never been near a firearm.
Many people who are of pension age did have the opportunity to go to university free of charge, a luxury no longer afforded to today's youngsters.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
Going back many of the people that you refer to (pensioners) had to do 2 years of national service, and earlier than that they had to fight a bloody war to give some people your age the freedom to bitch and moan that life hasn't handed everything on a plate to you....oh yes and no one my age had a 'gap year' whereby they could ponce of their parents for a year or so, after partying at university for 2-3 years........in the world we live in now, everything is always someone else's fault, do me favour! Life is out there, go out and grab which ever part of it you want.......or sit and wallow in self pity......you choose.
The vast majority of people who are of pension age have never been near a firearm.
Many people who are of pension age did have the opportunity to go to university free of charge, a luxury no longer afforded to today's youngsters.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
Going back many of the people that you refer to (pensioners) had to do 2 years of national service, and earlier than that they had to fight a bloody war to give some people your age the freedom to bitch and moan that life hasn't handed everything on a plate to you....oh yes and no one my age had a 'gap year' whereby they could ponce of their parents for a year or so, after partying at university for 2-3 years........in the world we live in now, everything is always someone else's fault, do me favour! Life is out there, go out and grab which ever part of it you want.......or sit and wallow in self pity......you choose.
The vast majority of people who are of pension age have never been near a firearm.
Many people who are of pension age did have the opportunity to go to university free of charge, a luxury no longer afforded to today's youngsters.
Absolute rubbish, where do you get this tosh. 79-80 year olds did national service, there are plenty around, there are still plenty of WW2 vets around as well. Also in the 1970's and 1980's and early 90's these people were still working and supposedly did all the damage, that the young are all bleating about.
Also re University, I went to Erith School, left in 1980 I dont know of anyone from my class who went to Uni. The options you were given were 1) go and work in the local factory or 2) Sign on, thats it, that was the reality.....! But hey you lot keep blaming the older retired people who gave you the chance to bleat on an on about how you deserve everything on a plate, its fucking pathetic.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
Going back many of the people that you refer to (pensioners) had to do 2 years of national service, and earlier than that they had to fight a bloody war to give some people your age the freedom to bitch and moan that life hasn't handed everything on a plate to you....oh yes and no one my age had a 'gap year' whereby they could ponce of their parents for a year or so, after partying at university for 2-3 years........in the world we live in now, everything is always someone else's fault, do me favour! Life is out there, go out and grab which ever part of it you want.......or sit and wallow in self pity......you choose.
The vast majority of people who are of pension age have never been near a firearm.
Many people who are of pension age did have the opportunity to go to university free of charge, a luxury no longer afforded to today's youngsters.
Absolute rubbish, where do you get this tosh. 79-80 year olds did national service, there are plenty around, there are still plenty of WW2 vets around as well. Also in the 1970's and 1980's and early 90's these people were still working and supposedly did all the damage, that the young are all bleating about.
Also re University, I went to Erith School, left in 1980 I dont know of anyone from my class who went to Uni. The options you were given were 1) go and work in the local factory or 2) Sign on, thats it, that was the reality.....! But hey you lot keep blaming the older retired people who gave you the chance to bleat on an on about how you deserve everything on a plate, its fucking pathetic.
I'm not blaming pensioners at all. And nothing I posted is untrue. I object to the fact that wealth continues to accumulate in a smaller and smaller number of people, who were mostly born between 1945 and 1975, whilst the Government cuts funding for under 25s as well as the poor and disabled in general. Especially since a lot of the wealth accumulated in pensions would have been thanks to Government spending, the debt for which has been passed onto this generation and the ladder well and truly pulled up. What's pathetic is writing off legitimate and truthful points as 'rubbish' and implying that any criticism of the current imbalance in wealth and equality of spending is disallowed because a tiny proportion of those of pension age have fought in a war.
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
When I started work in 1970, I got paid £64 a month. Today, that would be almost exactly £950 a month. By my reckoning, that's a little over the equivalent minimum wage today. Yet I had a good job and had to pay to commute into the City. After I'd paid my parents for my board and lodging and paid for my season ticket I had enough left for maybe one night out a week. I wouldn't have been able to afford transport if I had not had use of one of my Dad's vans. Paying for holidays of any description was not a consideration. Other things, too were expensive. An album, vinyl of course, was £1 12s 6d. That's £24.15 in today's money. A pocket calculator would have set you back the equivalent of £880; land line rental was more than today: if you could get one from the GPO! There was a shocking waiting list. A basic colour TV 22" would have cost the equivalent of £4990. Final salary pensions were a good deal but so much more affordable for employers as life expectancy was only 72.
Still, on the plus side, we weren't all fat bastards like today.
I can barely afford to go on a night out once every two months. I could barely afford a season ticket up to London let alone be able to pay my parents any rent.
If you genuinely think lifestyles are cheaper these daysyoure insane. Rent in London for a one bed flat is about £1,200 a mont for starters
60% drop in tax allowance for those set up as a limited company. Rise in NIC contributions for self employed even though we don't get holiday or sick pay and can't claim benefits.
Absolute joke, self employed and small business owners another couple of groups on the long list of people the tories screw over.
Look who's untouched again? Ah yes, pensioners, the ones who got us into this mess.
Quite a good rant until you got to that point.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
Nope, they're to blame, or rather successive governments that they voted for are to blame for esssentially mortgaging the future of younger people so they can have a cushty life relative to young people from the same background.
Which of the two is it - pensioners or successive governments?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
From what I can tell (and don't quote me on this, I wasn't alive then) governments are made up of people, who are voted for by people. Baby boomers were and remain the largest block of voters, thus if the majority vote a specific way, the extreme likelihood is that party would form a government.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
Money has to be put away for pensions today, as much as they were in my day. Nothing changed there, except the potential size of the pot.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
Where on earth are the young people with disposable income?!i can't afford to do any of the things you mention.
Going back many of the people that you refer to (pensioners) had to do 2 years of national service, and earlier than that they had to fight a bloody war to give some people your age the freedom to bitch and moan that life hasn't handed everything on a plate to you....oh yes and no one my age had a 'gap year' whereby they could ponce of their parents for a year or so, after partying at university for 2-3 years........in the world we live in now, everything is always someone else's fault, do me favour! Life is out there, go out and grab which ever part of it you want.......or sit and wallow in self pity......you choose.
The vast majority of people who are of pension age have never been near a firearm.
Many people who are of pension age did have the opportunity to go to university free of charge, a luxury no longer afforded to today's youngsters.
Absolute rubbish, where do you get this tosh. 79-80 year olds did national service, there are plenty around, there are still plenty of WW2 vets around as well. Also in the 1970's and 1980's and early 90's these people were still working and supposedly did all the damage, that the young are all bleating about.
Also re University, I went to Erith School, left in 1980 I dont know of anyone from my class who went to Uni. The options you were given were 1) go and work in the local factory or 2) Sign on, thats it, that was the reality.....! But hey you lot keep blaming the older retired people who gave you the chance to bleat on an on about how you deserve everything on a plate, its fucking pathetic.
I'm not blaming pensioners at all. And nothing I posted is untrue. I object to the fact that wealth continues to accumulate in a smaller and smaller number of people, who were mostly born between 1945 and 1975, whilst the Government cuts funding for under 25s as well as the poor and disabled in general. Especially since a lot of the wealth accumulated in pensions would have been thanks to Government spending, the debt for which has been passed onto this generation and the ladder well and truly pulled up. What's pathetic is writing off legitimate and truthful points as 'rubbish' and implying that any criticism of the current imbalance in wealth and equality of spending is disallowed because a tiny proportion of those of pension age have fought in a war.
I'm not sure how the fact that technology gets cheaper as it gets older means you had a harder life. Of course tellies are cheaper now than they were 50 years ago. You can't just use inflation adjusted costs to justify why a young disabled person deserves to have his benefits cut. You had the luxury of parks and bigger houses too. Now it's all been bulldozed over to make shoebox homes that hardly anyone under 30 could afford even if they saved as much as possible.
I think the issue is that many young people will probably never be able to retire, unless they manage to earn shed loads which only a small minority will. The same as that many young people won't be able to buy their own home. I think the problem for any government sometimes, is that they know what they should do but it is always unpopular as everything has a price.
If I recall, the last labour government - When Brown was chancellor - had a plan - it might even have been devised by him to address the social care time bomb. It was to put a percentage tax on inheritence. Taxes on death are never popular, but I thought this was not a terrible one. I saw it as like an insurance - we may all need social care before we kop it so everybody pays on the chance they might need it - a bit like car insurance. of course like anything it wasn't popular and got voted down. But raising money is never popular - nor is underspending!
As a self employed person, I would rather pay less tax, but am willing to see the greater good. The problem is that there are too many selfish people in this country. As long as they are ok, sod everybody else. And all those oldies that voted for Brexit -they were hardly taking any risks for themselves. I have less of an issue with a young person doing so as they are willing to risk their own future not somebody elses! I am in my 50s but collectively, I do believe my generation has let down the younger generation and it bothers me!
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I'm convinced the alternative being preached by Corbyn is not fundamentally going to help or convince the voters.
Tragically. The "young vote" is the least organised and mobilised of the electoral spectrum.
Leads me to believe that at some point in the future there will inevitably be civil disobedience and significant protest.
Are pensioners to blame because they are not dying fast enough for your liking?
I do believe (I am a pensioner and not planning to kick the proverbial bucket just yet) that my generation had it slightly easier that the current generation; that is not to say we had it easy. Being born just after the second World War was very difficult for many people like me; never had a holiday, largely wearing 2nd hand clothes, no family car etc etc. When I left school in 1962, I recall there being a whole range of unskilled jobs available for people (which is perhaps not the case today). Furthermore, buying a house in the 70s was easier than today (size of deposit needed) but at some point therafter I recall house interest rates rising to 15% or thereabouts. I had to move out of London to afford my first house. I also enjoyed an advantage that the current generation wont receive, which is that of a "Golden Handshake" pension.
So, on balance, given the factors above, I would judge that many of the current pensioners, NOW, and only NOW enjoy the fruits of their life. It remains to be seen how our lifestyle/quality of life will compare with that of the current generation when they reach pension life.
As for reaching pension life... to be honest I doubt we'd be able to get a pension at this rate, or at least reach pension age as it would have to be pushed up considerably at this rate.
I find it difficult to compare quality of life between different generations. There are pros and cons on both sides. I mentioned in my previous post the advantage that current pensioners had when they were younger in terms of house buying opportunities and today with enhanced pensions. On the other side, disposable income available to today's generation is far far greater than in mine, which can be measured by the number of social activites on tap and peoples' use of them. Many of my generation, as young people, could not afford to eat out, run a car, go on holiday. I guess the quality of life "experience" is different for differing generations.
according to the ONS as at 2015 the demographics of the country were
0 to 15 years 18.9%
16 to 64 years 60.9%
65 years and over 20.2%
Only 16 per cent of 18-to-24-year-olds are certain to vote in an election, while 30 per cent in this age category told the Hansard Society that they are certain not to vote.
Voters aged over 75 are more than four times as likely to be “absolutely certain to vote” than voters aged 18-to-24
In a ComRes survey in February, only 60 per cent of 18-to-24-year-olds said they cared who won the coming general election.
From 2015: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-explained-turnout-10224278.html
Also it might be worth splitting up 16-64 years into smaller subsections to get an accurate vision of the voting population.
Tax the evaders, avoiders and non-doms properly, that's the answer.
I bet if HMRC employed 1,000 special investigators, they would earn their keep a hundred times over.
Life is out there, go out and grab which ever part of it you want.......or sit and wallow in self pity......you choose.
Final salary pensions were a good deal but so much more affordable for employers as life expectancy was only 72.
Still, on the plus side, we weren't all fat bastards like today.
Many people who are of pension age did have the opportunity to go to university free of charge, a luxury no longer afforded to today's youngsters.
But the weed wasn't as strong as today.
Also in the 1970's and 1980's and early 90's these people were still working and supposedly did all the damage, that the young are all bleating about.
Also re University, I went to Erith School, left in 1980 I dont know of anyone from my class who went to Uni. The options you were given were 1) go and work in the local factory or 2) Sign on, thats it, that was the reality.....!
But hey you lot keep blaming the older retired people who gave you the chance to bleat on an on about how you deserve everything on a plate, its fucking pathetic.
If you genuinely think lifestyles are cheaper these daysyoure insane. Rent in London for a one bed flat is about £1,200 a mont for starters
If I recall, the last labour government - When Brown was chancellor - had a plan - it might even have been devised by him to address the social care time bomb. It was to put a percentage tax on inheritence. Taxes on death are never popular, but I thought this was not a terrible one. I saw it as like an insurance - we may all need social care before we kop it so everybody pays on the chance they might need it - a bit like car insurance. of course like anything it wasn't popular and got voted down. But raising money is never popular - nor is underspending!
As a self employed person, I would rather pay less tax, but am willing to see the greater good. The problem is that there are too many selfish people in this country. As long as they are ok, sod everybody else. And all those oldies that voted for Brexit -they were hardly taking any risks for themselves. I have less of an issue with a young person doing so as they are willing to risk their own future not somebody elses! I am in my 50s but collectively, I do believe my generation has let down the younger generation and it bothers me!