The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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It’s going to be the McLeish consortium. Nobody is meeting Roland’s price but worryingly they seem happy to let Holmes and Konsa leave without knocking a penny off what there willing to pay.
In Roland’s defence (can’t believe I’m saying it either) if you were to going to lower your valuation and could retrieve 4mil + just before the sale then you would, we all would. Just can’t believe there happy to let that happen as Konsa is the only player we currently have worth any sort of money.
This season is a write up IMO. But Roland will be gone and I reckon they will just see what Robinson can do. If he fails to impress it’s a new man with a decent sum to get us up next season.4 -
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse2 -
I liked KR before - I like him even more now.Airman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”9 -
Donald Muir is on board with the McLeish bid. His sole job with Rangers was 'debt management' and he got Lloyd's the money back they were daft enough to lend in the first place. Expect more of the same.SDAddick said:
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse0 -
I really hope the sale happens this week, my son said in November that the match on his birthday would be the first one with new owners - that match is in 7 days time. Let's hope this "done by the 18th" rumour turns out to be true.
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Genuinely what else can they manage through debt - after Konsa we’ll have no young players who are going to make us a buck, fan base dwindling alarmingly, team made up for free’s and loan’s, where are you going to find the money to even come close to breaking even?Missed It said:
Donald Muir is on board with the McLeish bid. His sole job with Rangers was 'debt management' and he got Lloyd's the money back they were daft enough to lend in the first place. Expect more of the same.SDAddick said:
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse
We need people with coin, not people who are happy with two of our best players leaving. Doesn’t bode well at all.4 -
It isnt the players who are bought and sold but their registrations.StigThundercock said:
Legally as individuals, yes the players are just employees, much as you or I have been, with rights and obligations.WSS said:Are players considered assets though? Like buildings, equipment, merchandise etc?
Are they not just employees paid by the club? Surely they have employment rights like most of us?
If somebody in the ticket office hands in their notice and wants out of their employment contract does the club refuse just because of an ongoing takeover?
Genuinely don’t know the difference etc so would be good to get some insight.
But they are employees for whom significant sums are often paid for them to be recruited. Those sums show up in the clubs' records and accounts. A player's prospective next employer might be inclined to pay a fee to facilitate a transfer. These practices are long established in professional football. Monetary valuation of players' worth is commonplace. Yes in the upper echelons of football players are regarded as assets. Good footballers fit simple definitions of being "assets". Better players, can bring about better results on the pitch, better results can bring about better results financially, in a business context this is very similar to machinery and equipment. The same is true in the other direction: lose or sell better players and results can decline - Yann Kermorgant, Scott Parker for 2 examples.
A (competent) prospective purchaser of a business should value said business based on the results that can reasonably be estimated from its current condition and recent history. The condition of CAFC's football business is in no small way dependent on the numbers of good quality players in the squad. When roly changes the makeup of that squad, it should follow that the valuation changes accordingly. Ricky Holmes sudden departure ought to be something a prospective bidder should evaluate.
If the potential newbies grasp these things as tenuously as roly clearly has done then we're out of the frying pan and into the microwave
Noting to stop Ricky resigning and talking a job in marketing @WSS but charlton would still hold his playing registration.0 -
Debt management exercise?
Did it not occur to him to have such a procedure in place during his four year ownership? You know, not continually spunking money on employing not fit for purpose players and managers, employing a joke of a CEO, a laptop FM scout...I could go on.
Already been said, bloke’s a c***.12 -
I think you're making way too many assumptions. We have no idea what funding they have, what plans they might have from a footballing perspective. Whether you like McLeish or not he's first and foremost a football man and a highly experienced one at that and may be just advising. Muir had a role to play at Rangers doesn't mean that's his role here and lastly we don't even know it's them. Charlton needs a change and all this careful what you wish for is bollocks, I certainly didn't wish for the shit show we are now.J BLOCK said:
Genuinely what else can they manage through debt - after Konsa we’ll have no young players who are going to make us a buck, fan base dwindling alarmingly, team made up for free’s and loan’s, where are you going to find the money to even come close to breaking even?Missed It said:
Donald Muir is on board with the McLeish bid. His sole job with Rangers was 'debt management' and he got Lloyd's the money back they were daft enough to lend in the first place. Expect more of the same.SDAddick said:
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse
We need people with coin, not people who are happy with two of our best players leaving. Doesn’t bode well at all.24 -
Get that, but by allowing the sale of our best player Holmes and our best young player Konsa, it does give an indication, imo, as to their ambitions for the clubNug said:
I think you're making way too many assumptions. We have no idea what funding they have, what plans they might have from a footballing perspective. Whether you like McLeish or not he's first and foremost a football man and a highly experienced one at that and may be just advising. Muir had a role to play at Rangers doesn't mean that's his role here and lastly we don't even know it's them. Charlton needs a change and all this careful what you wish for is bollocks, I certainly didn't wish for the shit show we are now.J BLOCK said:
Genuinely what else can they manage through debt - after Konsa we’ll have no young players who are going to make us a buck, fan base dwindling alarmingly, team made up for free’s and loan’s, where are you going to find the money to even come close to breaking even?Missed It said:
Donald Muir is on board with the McLeish bid. His sole job with Rangers was 'debt management' and he got Lloyd's the money back they were daft enough to lend in the first place. Expect more of the same.SDAddick said:
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse
We need people with coin, not people who are happy with two of our best players leaving. Doesn’t bode well at all.0 - Sponsored links:
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Sales could simply be a PR exercise - no incoming owner would want their first action to be selling players. Far better to let the current incumbent take the criticism!
If this is true then debt consolidation is the new owner's plan.5 -
Barring 3 points today, No positives until he sellsjohnny73 said:
You are right. Just trying to find a positive from a very bad situation.DA9 said:
depends on length of time of injury, by the end of January a couple of our injured could be back, different level obviously but it didn’t stop Barcelona signing an injured Coutinho, depends how much they want our player, a fire sale is a fire sale, get em cheap now or price goes up in the summerjohnny73 said:Going against the grain I don't think this will drag out. Duche will sell whatever players he can in the transfer window and come the end of Jan he will accept the best offer for the club that remains.
Our injury crisis might actually be doing us a favour as it limits who he can sell.
IF KR can get this depleted and injury ravaged squad into the play offs, for me it would almost (I repeat almost) be as incredible as Lennie Lawrence getting us promoted in 85/86 season, nothing short of a miracle.8 -
And look who made that claim, KR. Unfortunately for him he's the only one from the club talking and that's wrong as I doubt he is fully in the picture. At the end of the day we will get whoever is prepared to do a deal with RD and we will expect and hope they do well by the club, same as we did for RD.J BLOCK said:
Get that, but by allowing the sale of our best player Holmes and our best young player Konsa, it does give an indication, imo, as to their ambitions for the clubNug said:
I think you're making way too many assumptions. We have no idea what funding they have, what plans they might have from a footballing perspective. Whether you like McLeish or not he's first and foremost a football man and a highly experienced one at that and may be just advising. Muir had a role to play at Rangers doesn't mean that's his role here and lastly we don't even know it's them. Charlton needs a change and all this careful what you wish for is bollocks, I certainly didn't wish for the shit show we are now.J BLOCK said:
Genuinely what else can they manage through debt - after Konsa we’ll have no young players who are going to make us a buck, fan base dwindling alarmingly, team made up for free’s and loan’s, where are you going to find the money to even come close to breaking even?Missed It said:
Donald Muir is on board with the McLeish bid. His sole job with Rangers was 'debt management' and he got Lloyd's the money back they were daft enough to lend in the first place. Expect more of the same.SDAddick said:
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse
We need people with coin, not people who are happy with two of our best players leaving. Doesn’t bode well at all.2 -
Feel you are making too many assumptions. I could just mean that McLeish has looked at him the last two games, thought he was average and replaceable. And if that is what it would take for a deal to go through then so be itJ BLOCK said:
Get that, but by allowing the sale of our best player Holmes and our best young player Konsa, it does give an indication, imo, as to their ambitions for the clubNug said:
I think you're making way too many assumptions. We have no idea what funding they have, what plans they might have from a footballing perspective. Whether you like McLeish or not he's first and foremost a football man and a highly experienced one at that and may be just advising. Muir had a role to play at Rangers doesn't mean that's his role here and lastly we don't even know it's them. Charlton needs a change and all this careful what you wish for is bollocks, I certainly didn't wish for the shit show we are now.J BLOCK said:
Genuinely what else can they manage through debt - after Konsa we’ll have no young players who are going to make us a buck, fan base dwindling alarmingly, team made up for free’s and loan’s, where are you going to find the money to even come close to breaking even?Missed It said:
Donald Muir is on board with the McLeish bid. His sole job with Rangers was 'debt management' and he got Lloyd's the money back they were daft enough to lend in the first place. Expect more of the same.SDAddick said:
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse
We need people with coin, not people who are happy with two of our best players leaving. Doesn’t bode well at all.12 -
Add to that if we don’t go up this season (I don’t think we will even if we kept our best players), and we lose Holmes and Konsa etc, although it would be a spineless parting shot on behalf the twat, I’d welcome a completely fresh start in the summer.AFKABartram said:
Feel you are making too many assumptions. I could just mean that McLeish has looked at him the last two games, thought he was average and replaceable. And if that is what it would take for a deal to go through then so be itJ BLOCK said:
Get that, but by allowing the sale of our best player Holmes and our best young player Konsa, it does give an indication, imo, as to their ambitions for the clubNug said:
I think you're making way too many assumptions. We have no idea what funding they have, what plans they might have from a footballing perspective. Whether you like McLeish or not he's first and foremost a football man and a highly experienced one at that and may be just advising. Muir had a role to play at Rangers doesn't mean that's his role here and lastly we don't even know it's them. Charlton needs a change and all this careful what you wish for is bollocks, I certainly didn't wish for the shit show we are now.J BLOCK said:
Genuinely what else can they manage through debt - after Konsa we’ll have no young players who are going to make us a buck, fan base dwindling alarmingly, team made up for free’s and loan’s, where are you going to find the money to even come close to breaking even?Missed It said:
Donald Muir is on board with the McLeish bid. His sole job with Rangers was 'debt management' and he got Lloyd's the money back they were daft enough to lend in the first place. Expect more of the same.SDAddick said:
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse
We need people with coin, not people who are happy with two of our best players leaving. Doesn’t bode well at all.
I know we all want out this division and we’re only a point off the play offs, but I think we just need to get away from RD and only once he’s gone and we get a bit of time to regroup, only then will we be able to rebuild3 -
Not for the first time, I like the cut of your jib, AB !Airman Brown said:
Robinson will know what he’s been told in order to get the Holmes deal done and to manage his expectations re transfers and keep the show on the road. If he’s been misled (again) that is likely to become an internal problem very quickly.Arsenetatters said:
I really want to believe this, but before I get my hopes up, can someone answer my nagging worry - how would Robinson know?Airman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Next Saturday could be a party or the biggest protest yet, but either way things are ramping up.
I'm wondering whether we should be encouraging the boycotters to buy their tickets for this one.....2 -
It seems that many people are concerned about Muir's reputation as a debt consolidator; someone that runs a very tight ship.
I would argue that had we had someone of that calibre in charge of the operation during the past three years the club might be in a better position than it is now.
Would we have sacked Chris Powell and followed it with a merry-go-round of third-rate so-called managers? Would we have sold good players at a deflated price? Would we have given away our best central defender? Would we have paid ridiculous wages on poor to average players? Initial consolidation, rather than the almost farcical game of ins and outs that occurred, would have led to a better managed club.
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New owners might not be able to stop RD selling players whether they like it or not.
They may realise that Konsa is going anyway and prefer Roland to take the stick for it.
And long term they may see some money from sell ons and appearances anyway.
That's even if what is said is true.
We just don't know.2 -
'Roland Duchatelet ready to sell Players'0
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18 Jan - we should build our hopes up. WIOTOS1
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Roland you created the debt mountain , write it off and walk away with £15 million or whatever you paid for the club. You don't deserve to even get that , you have destroyed the club and it will take years to repair the damage. And take RM with you14
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All of that makes sense, albeit as you say, we just don’t know.Henry Irving said:New owners might not be able to stop RD selling players whether they like it or not.
They may realise that Konsa is going anyway and prefer Roland to take the stick for it.
And long term they may see some money from sell ons and appearances anyway.
That's even if what is said is true.
We just don't know.
However new owners would most certainly be able to stop player sales - trouble is we don’t have new owners and unless and until a purchase price is agreed (with conditions attached about selling assets) two sheds can do what he likes.
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It seems unusual that there’s no hint or info leaked out about the money or lack of it behind the Muir / McGleish consortium. Are they fronting a minted Arab or cobbling together pennies from the semi rich ?2
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Correct. Should have said potential new owners.bobmunro said:
All of that makes sense, albeit as you say, we just don’t know.Henry Irving said:New owners might not be able to stop RD selling players whether they like it or not.
They may realise that Konsa is going anyway and prefer Roland to take the stick for it.
And long term they may see some money from sell ons and appearances anyway.
That's even if what is said is true.
We just don't know.
However new owners would most certainly be able to stop player sales - trouble is we don’t have new owners and unless and until a purchase price is agreed (with conditions attached about selling assets) two sheds can do what he likes.1 -
Need to factor into this that Ricky Holmes wants to go, as does Ezri Konsa. It’s not just about club debt.9
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Maybe, but I just can’t see how any new owners with any sort of ambition are allowing the selling of Holmes and Konsa.AFKABartram said:
Feel you are making too many assumptions. I could just mean that McLeish has looked at him the last two games, thought he was average and replaceable. And if that is what it would take for a deal to go through then so be itJ BLOCK said:
Get that, but by allowing the sale of our best player Holmes and our best young player Konsa, it does give an indication, imo, as to their ambitions for the clubNug said:
I think you're making way too many assumptions. We have no idea what funding they have, what plans they might have from a footballing perspective. Whether you like McLeish or not he's first and foremost a football man and a highly experienced one at that and may be just advising. Muir had a role to play at Rangers doesn't mean that's his role here and lastly we don't even know it's them. Charlton needs a change and all this careful what you wish for is bollocks, I certainly didn't wish for the shit show we are now.J BLOCK said:
Genuinely what else can they manage through debt - after Konsa we’ll have no young players who are going to make us a buck, fan base dwindling alarmingly, team made up for free’s and loan’s, where are you going to find the money to even come close to breaking even?Missed It said:
Donald Muir is on board with the McLeish bid. His sole job with Rangers was 'debt management' and he got Lloyd's the money back they were daft enough to lend in the first place. Expect more of the same.SDAddick said:
This.J BLOCK said:
Why would any potential owners with ambition be ok with Holmes being sold - worryingAirman Brown said:Karl Robinson has been talking to fans again. Has suggested the club may be sold next week. Via Glynne’s mailing list - reliable longstanding poster.
“A friend just bumped into Karl near the teams Bury hotel. 12 fit players today and JFC/Solly will be on the bench to make it look good - with no chance of coming on.
“Ricky has been sold from under Karl's feet as a debt management exercise, which the potential new owners are aware of ahead of the sale hopefully going through next week. That aligns to the 18th January rumour.
“PS Karl also said that Roland is a bastard! Tell us something we don't know.”
Posted the below on the separate thread but I find this concerning. Why would they be okay with a "Debt management exercise" unless they were expecting to do similar things themselves?
So if this is being done as a "debt manaegment" exercise, you have to wonder if the new owners are backing it. It should be worth wondering if their first objective will be to bring operating costs down and narrow the deficit gap.
If so, things might get worse
We need people with coin, not people who are happy with two of our best players leaving. Doesn’t bode well at all.1 -
Not sure I can buy into the concern about any new owner only being interested in debt reduction. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Airman has already told us that cost cutting and maintaining a revenue stream are not compatible. There are no real savings to be made.
Regarding the rumoured sale of Konsa and Ricky Holmes. I think that Ezri was always going. His agent won’t be happy him sloshing around in league three. Konsa’s chips are on a high right now and now is the time for both the player and agent to progress his career. Tough on us but that’s football I’m afraid. As for Holmes I’m disappointed because you would like to think we should be able hang onto him but perhaps Ricky has had enough of the circus that has been his Charlton career and sees a shot at Championship football as to hard to turn down at his age given that we are not going up this season.
Let’s just hold our breath and cross everything in the hope that next Saturday is everything we want it to be.
One last thing. Robinson should get a lot of respect and cut a lot of slack after the last few months he’s had to put up with. Let’s get behind him and hope the new owners do too.17 -
I have my doubts about this Bob.bobmunro said:
All of that makes sense, albeit as you say, we just don’t know.Henry Irving said:New owners might not be able to stop RD selling players whether they like it or not.
They may realise that Konsa is going anyway and prefer Roland to take the stick for it.
And long term they may see some money from sell ons and appearances anyway.
That's even if what is said is true.
We just don't know.
However new owners would most certainly be able to stop player sales - trouble is we don’t have new owners and unless and until a purchase price is agreed (with conditions attached about selling assets) two sheds can do what he likes.
I sold my business back in February 2017 and the due diligence commenced in August 2016. During the 6 month period the DD took place we traded as normal however the closer the deal got to completion i.e. Dec/Jan/Feb the tighter the controls got on what we could buy & sell.
We provided a list of assets well before the deal went through and the money was paid and there were a lot of stipulations in place concerning those assets and the sale or disposal of any.
I would class the players at any football club as assets so the possible sale of Konsa for millions does not sit well with me.
The above makes me feel we have the following scenarios taking place:
1/ DD is at an early stage meaning we are a long way from the club being sold.
2/ The DD policy is weak and flimsy which reflects badly on the potential new owner. A poor DD process can lead to a lot of nasty surprises for a buyer.2 -
I see it as a broken promise thing. A but like with JBG, Holmes was almost certainly presented with a set of promises around promotion push and player recruitment that then just didn’t materialise.
If he and Konsa were going to leave in the summer anyway, why wouldn’t you let the man go now if it got the deal over the line.
Then recruit carefully in the last few days of the transfer window (if possible) and then well over the summer.0 -
Agreed - but due diligence is a precursor to agreeing a deal and not part of the deal itself.eaststandmike said:
I have my doubts about this Bob.bobmunro said:
All of that makes sense, albeit as you say, we just don’t know.Henry Irving said:New owners might not be able to stop RD selling players whether they like it or not.
They may realise that Konsa is going anyway and prefer Roland to take the stick for it.
And long term they may see some money from sell ons and appearances anyway.
That's even if what is said is true.
We just don't know.
However new owners would most certainly be able to stop player sales - trouble is we don’t have new owners and unless and until a purchase price is agreed (with conditions attached about selling assets) two sheds can do what he likes.
I sold my business back in February 2017 and the due diligence commenced in August 2016. During the 6 month period the DD took place we traded as normal however the closer the deal got to completion i.e. Dec/Jan/Feb the tighter the controls got on what we could buy & sell.
We provided a list of assets well before the deal went through and the money was paid and there were a lot of stipulations in place concerning those assets and the sale or disposal of any.
I would class the players at any football club as assets so the possible sale of Konsa for millions does not sit well with me.
The above makes me feel we have the following scenarios taking place:
1/ DD is at an early stage meaning we are a long way from the club being sold.
2/ The DD policy is weak and flimsy which reflects badly on the potential new owner. A poor DD process can lead to a lot of nasty surprises for a buyer.
If Konsa and/or Holmes are sold it tells me that a deal (or at least heads of agreement) is a way off being finalised.2
