So if the Liberal Democrats and SNP (and/or Labour with an about face) said in their manifesto that they would reverse Brexit if in power it could happen? With the referendum being so close and many probably getting Brexit buyer regrets with no new hospitals forthcoming or access to single market, the opposition parties could do a lot worse than take this line.
I Don't quite know why Councillor Tamoor Tariq, felt the need to tweet the following;
The PM had months to call a general election & she decides to call it during ramadam, disgrace and inconsiderate to 3M muslims!
the guy has since turned his twitter to private.
Cue a Guardian opinion article "Would Theresa May have called an election if it was during Lent?! Racist!"
The Guardian had an opinion piece today claiming that robots, machines, and software are inherently racist and sexist because the main coding languages are based on English, which, according to the author, is also an inherently racist and sexist language. Your suggestion for an article is far too sensible by comparison.
Something keeps spooking him or he keeps losing his train of thought; there's quite a few times he seems to trail off mid sentence - look a tad bewildered whilst looking around - before continuing. A bit bizarre to be honest.
I love the guy who randomly wanders in and just stands there looking at the camera and the journo for the final minute or so.
Best speech I have seen him deliver to be honest! But he can't win the election - we all know that.
Oh, I agree. It was definitely better than expected, was just confused as to what was spooking him or whether he was actually OK.
Could someone far better informed than me explain the constitutional significance of this? Perhaps @seth plum or @northernirishaddick - or anyone else..?
It seems strange to set about campaigning for a general election while concurrently negotiating for the make-up of the Assembly.
Wouldn't it be better to give them a deadline - say four weeks before 8 June - and, if they haven't agreed a power-share, hold another Assembly election on the same day as the GE?
I have a sneaking suspicion that there is no real feeling that a deal is likely, and that a fourth vote in c12 months here might not prove too popular.
IMHO, I think they are trying to avoid the reintroduction of direct rule at a time when there is no-one available to directly rule (taking on a new Department would seriously affect the time available for MPs and SpAds to campaign in England or Wales).
That, and they don't want to wreck the TV schedules, we'd end up watching a new Party Political Broadcast channel over here.....
not wanting to steer this thread onto electoral reform but I really feel a top up system would be beneficial to make votes count more, there would need to be a minimum threshold, of course, to stop certain loony elements, although UKIP would still get some seats I expect, but seats in the house could be allocated to on a list basis, perhaps to the best second place candidates, etc yes it would be a bit more complicated and imperfect but we could have the best of both worlds
I disagree. The current system works perfectly well. In my opinion the only people that want to change it are probably the Lib Dems and Labour parties who fear a possible wipe out
I think proportional representation has to be looked at again at some point. It was rejected quite recently of course but since then there has been a seismic shift in the political landscape.
I am no UKIP supporter but their representation in parliament compared to the number of. Votes they polled is hardly democratic. With the left of centre vote of labour / Lib Dems / Greens split we are very much in danger of having a one party state. Its unhealthy and undemocratic.
I'm a fan of PR, which was not exactly what the referendum considered (I think that was AV). The Single Transferable Vote, with larger constituencies returning multiple MPs (so that the HoC has the same number, but no party can have a majority with less than 40% of the vote) is easy to understand and ensures that no-one who can be arsed to vote, using the system, will truly be disenfranchised.
In truth, accepting Cameron's maybe AV offer instead of the more desperate Brown's guaranteed PR in 2010, may be seen as Nick Clegg's greatest political miscalculation.
Registered for vote from abroad yesterday and will follow the build up with great interest. The media here are portraying it as the next step in the self-inflicted chaos and division going on in the UK, although elections here have been awful the last years - the last one took a year to decide on the government!
a year? lazy Spanish.
which brings me to the viewpoint of every proper Englishman on the rest of the world... (make sure you listen to the end of Terry's speech to hear why Brexit is a good idea)
Sensitive soul, aren't you, for one who is a self confessed wind-up merchant.
The point I am making, and was making in the Brexit thread this time last year, is that good ordinary people were (are) being used as pawns in pseudo-Brexit debate by extreme right wingers like Banks to gain power and influence. When they have that power they will make life far worse for these good ordinary people than any fictitious EU bureaucrat has ever done.
But hey, you vote as you think fit.
Dear Prague, your contempt for ordinary people is quite beneath you, surely? By your own argument would it not also be true that the power and money hungry Remain supporting bankers and businessmen (who are be way more numerous, powerful and influential, like Gina Miller ) must have exercised the same evil control over people who voted Remain? The only conclusion one could draw is that you think the whole of our democracy is a sham, and we are all easily manipulated. However, the lesson of the referendum was quite the opposite-that despite having most of the UK and global establishment weighing in for Remain, people decided they would do what they thought right rather than what they were being told to do. I am sure you are a good democrat at heart, especially living where you do and knowing people who could not vote for whom they wanted to. (By the way, it is good to hear that the EU bureaucrats are fictitious. Surely that must mean we do not have to pay for their huge pensions after we have left the EU)
WTF?
Listen mate, do you know where I got the phrase "good ordinary people" from? I've quoted it often enough on here. It was used by Jon Sadler in his brilliant tear-inducing report in the Sun of our playoff final, and was how he described both sets of supporters. So I count myself as one of those ordinary people, same as I do Chippy. If you know Eltham, and you know Elibank Road you'll know that the kids brought up there were not exactly privileged. The only fundamental difference I see between myself and Chippy is that I can fucking spell and got good English grades but that's only because my Dad decided to teach me to read even while I was at Deansfield nursery school. My Mum by the way still lives there, opposite the house where we lived. And she and her family originally came from the North. Darlington, Redcar, places like that. So don't go giving me any lectures about ordinary people, if you don't mind.
The reason why I picked on Chippy (as he thinks anyway) is this; one of the few things he has told us about himself is that he is normally a Labour voter. Well so was I until 1997. I have never voted Tory in my life. And that's because of my undying contempt for the strand of greedy, exploitative extreme-right politics that always lurks within the country and what it did to ordinary people, especially at the height of Thatcherism. It is these people who have used Brexit as a chance to propel themselves back into positions of power. Whoever thought we would see Redwood again. IDS. Howard,. Lawson. Tebbitt. They're all back, on the back of Brexit. And if Chippy knows his history, he should know that they are the ones with real contempt for oridnary people. And now they are joined and financed by Aaron Banks, a man so committed to democracy that he says in an interview that he could not give a fuck about Electoral Commission rules. These are the people using Brexit as a tool to regain power and re-shape Britain in their extreme right-wing vision. And Chippy and millions like him have been duped into bringing them back to the heart of power.
Now maybe you don't mind. Maybe you agree with their policies and ambitions. Maybe you are rich enough to feel that you will be alright, Jack, whatever they do. But the ordinary people will not be alright under those people. And I vote the way I do, because actually I worry and care about ordinary people, because emotionally I remain one of them and never stopped feeling that way.
Well said Prague. Besides what anyone might actually think, the only people who will benefit from Brexit and May's Tories are the rich, greedy and corrupt. And this is coming from someone who, as some of you might fondly remember, argued the case for giving Cameron another 5 years. You haven't got your country or sovereignty back (not that we had ever lost it in the first place, despite what liars and charlatans keep parroting), it's been sold to the highest bidders.
Could someone far better informed than me explain the constitutional significance of this? Perhaps @seth plum or @northernirishaddick - or anyone else..?
It seems strange to set about campaigning for a general election while concurrently negotiating for the make-up of the Assembly.
Wouldn't it be better to give them a deadline - say four weeks before 8 June - and, if they haven't agreed a power-share, hold another Assembly election on the same day as the GE?
I have a sneaking suspicion that there is no real feeling that a deal is likely, and that a fourth vote in c12 months here might not prove too popular.
IMHO, I think they are trying to avoid the reintroduction of direct rule at a time when there is no-one available to directly rule (taking on a new Department would seriously affect the time available for MPs and SpAds to campaign in England or Wales).
That, and they don't want to wreck the TV schedules, we'd end up watching a new Party Political Broadcast channel over here.....
Though it might keep John Pienaar busy.
John Pienaar is a Palace fan so even though I like him I don't like him.
Assuming you're around 25 years old as the name suggests you have presumably only ever experienced a Tory led administration as an adult.
During that time young people have had a particular poor hand dealt them under a Tory PM in my view. Given that, I'm genuinely interested in why you feel another 5 years of Tory rule are in your (or your peer groups) best interests?
So if the Liberal Democrats and SNP (and/or Labour with an about face) said in their manifesto that they would reverse Brexit if in power it could happen? With the referendum being so close and many probably getting Brexit buyer regrets with no new hospitals forthcoming or access to single market, the opposition parties could do a lot worse than take this line.
Assuming you're around 25 years old as the name suggests you have presumably never only ever experienced a Tory led administration as an adult.
During that time young people have had a particular poor hand dealt them under a Tory PM in my view. Given that, I'm genuinely interested in why you feel another 5 years of Tory rule are in your (or your peer groups) best interests?
Maybe it's just me but two days in and i'm bored of it all already. I trust very few of them and can't say I like many of them either. Can't wait to read the manifesto's that none of them will even remotely stick to......
Labour under it's current leadership will be akin to Roland being in charge. Conservatives more akin to The Spiv's.
For the 1st time since 1992 I can't bare to vote for any of them!
Maybe it's just me but two days in and i'm bored of it all already. I trust very few of them and can't say I like many of them either. Can't wait to read the manifesto's that none of them will even remotely stick to......
Labour under it's current leadership will be akin to Roland being in charge. Conservatives more akin to The Spiv's.
For the 1st time since 1992 I can't bare to vote for any of them!
Sensitive soul, aren't you, for one who is a self confessed wind-up merchant.
The point I am making, and was making in the Brexit thread this time last year, is that good ordinary people were (are) being used as pawns in pseudo-Brexit debate by extreme right wingers like Banks to gain power and influence. When they have that power they will make life far worse for these good ordinary people than any fictitious EU bureaucrat has ever done.
But hey, you vote as you think fit.
Dear Prague, your contempt for ordinary people is quite beneath you, surely? By your own argument would it not also be true that the power and money hungry Remain supporting bankers and businessmen (who are be way more numerous, powerful and influential, like Gina Miller ) must have exercised the same evil control over people who voted Remain? The only conclusion one could draw is that you think the whole of our democracy is a sham, and we are all easily manipulated. However, the lesson of the referendum was quite the opposite-that despite having most of the UK and global establishment weighing in for Remain, people decided they would do what they thought right rather than what they were being told to do. I am sure you are a good democrat at heart, especially living where you do and knowing people who could not vote for whom they wanted to. (By the way, it is good to hear that the EU bureaucrats are fictitious. Surely that must mean we do not have to pay for their huge pensions after we have left the EU)
WTF?
Listen mate, do you know where I got the phrase "good ordinary people" from? I've quoted it often enough on here. It was used by Jon Sadler in his brilliant tear-inducing report in the Sun of our playoff final, and was how he described both sets of supporters. So I count myself as one of those ordinary people, same as I do Chippy. If you know Eltham, and you know Elibank Road you'll know that the kids brought up there were not exactly privileged. The only fundamental difference I see between myself and Chippy is that I can fucking spell and got good English grades but that's only because my Dad decided to teach me to read even while I was at Deansfield nursery school. My Mum by the way still lives there, opposite the house where we lived. And she and her family originally came from the North. Darlington, Redcar, places like that. So don't go giving me any lectures about ordinary people, if you don't mind.
The reason why I picked on Chippy (as he thinks anyway) is this; one of the few things he has told us about himself is that he is normally a Labour voter. Well so was I until 1997. I have never voted Tory in my life. And that's because of my undying contempt for the strand of greedy, exploitative extreme-right politics that always lurks within the country and what it did to ordinary people, especially at the height of Thatcherism. It is these people who have used Brexit as a chance to propel themselves back into positions of power. Whoever thought we would see Redwood again. IDS. Howard,. Lawson. Tebbitt. They're all back, on the back of Brexit. And if Chippy knows his history, he should know that they are the ones with real contempt for oridnary people. And now they are joined and financed by Aaron Banks, a man so committed to democracy that he says in an interview that he could not give a fuck about Electoral Commission rules. These are the people using Brexit as a tool to regain power and re-shape Britain in their extreme right-wing vision. And Chippy and millions like him have been duped into bringing them back to the heart of power.
Now maybe you don't mind. Maybe you agree with their policies and ambitions. Maybe you are rich enough to feel that you will be alright, Jack, whatever they do. But the ordinary people will not be alright under those people. And I vote the way I do, because actually I worry and care about ordinary people, because emotionally I remain one of them and never stopped feeling that way.
Assuming you're around 25 years old as the name suggests you have presumably only ever experienced a Tory led administration as an adult.
During that time young people have had a particular poor hand dealt them under a Tory PM in my view. Given that, I'm genuinely interested in why you feel another 5 years of Tory rule are in your (or your peer groups) best interests?
I'm 26 and I'll definitely be voting Conservative. I don't happen to buy into a lot of people's dogmatic preconceptions of the Conservatives... They're just incredibly lazy... A strong economy, as a young person will always be my #1 priority. On top of that I have a belief that I should provide for myself rather than the state handing me everything, it's not their responsibility, its their responsibility to provide me with a safety net should everything go wrong for me or a member of my family, as well as safety on the World Stage (that means nuclear bombs thank you, Mr Corbyn). I believe that The Conservatives are much better placed to do all these things than anyone else over the next 5 years, again though, unlike how many in here are about Conservatives, I'm not dogmatic enough to go "I'll never vote Labour" I probably would have voted for them in 1997, but I was 6 at the time... Since I've been 18 however I have only ever voted Conservative, no to the electoral reform referendum, and to Remain.
I think your problem is that a lot of people today who hate The Tories do so because of Thatcher. My personal view of that era is that if you want to keep producing coal, bring back the steam train... Young people didn't see those times, and a lot of older people need to remember that no government since hers has reversed the things she did. I think the other problem is that, the left more than anyone, fail to understand that people can have views that are not the same as theirs, it seems to massively unsettle them in a way that varies from concerning to hilarious, that people don't mindlessly follow some mantra about Tories wanting the poor poorer and the weak dead, all whilst giving the rich a load of kickbacks.
Oh, and if you want to use the NHS and how much the Tories hate it line, just look at Wales.
Prague..will you stop keep using my name on your rants and quoting how i think and what i am like...you dont even know me, so kindly stop doing it....Particularly as i havent singled you out in this thread.
Never known anyone so obsessed with me not even my mrs is.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
So if the Liberal Democrats and SNP (and/or Labour with an about face) said in their manifesto that they would reverse Brexit if in power it could happen? With the referendum being so close and many probably getting Brexit buyer regrets with no new hospitals forthcoming or access to single market, the opposition parties could do a lot worse than take this line.
IMHO, I think they are trying to avoid the reintroduction of direct rule at a time when there is no-one available to directly rule (taking on a new Department would seriously affect the time available for MPs and SpAds to campaign in England or Wales).
That, and they don't want to wreck the TV schedules, we'd end up watching a new Party Political Broadcast channel over here.....
Though it might keep John Pienaar busy.
In truth, accepting Cameron's maybe AV offer instead of the more desperate Brown's guaranteed PR in 2010, may be seen as Nick Clegg's greatest political miscalculation.
which brings me to the viewpoint of every proper Englishman on the rest of the world... (make sure you listen to the end of Terry's speech to hear why Brexit is a good idea)
Listen mate, do you know where I got the phrase "good ordinary people" from? I've quoted it often enough on here. It was used by Jon Sadler in his brilliant tear-inducing report in the Sun of our playoff final, and was how he described both sets of supporters. So I count myself as one of those ordinary people, same as I do Chippy. If you know Eltham, and you know Elibank Road you'll know that the kids brought up there were not exactly privileged. The only fundamental difference I see between myself and Chippy is that I can fucking spell and got good English grades but that's only because my Dad decided to teach me to read even while I was at Deansfield nursery school. My Mum by the way still lives there, opposite the house where we lived. And she and her family originally came from the North. Darlington, Redcar, places like that. So don't go giving me any lectures about ordinary people, if you don't mind.
The reason why I picked on Chippy (as he thinks anyway) is this; one of the few things he has told us about himself is that he is normally a Labour voter. Well so was I until 1997. I have never voted Tory in my life. And that's because of my undying contempt for the strand of greedy, exploitative extreme-right politics that always lurks within the country and what it did to ordinary people, especially at the height of Thatcherism. It is these people who have used Brexit as a chance to propel themselves back into positions of power. Whoever thought we would see Redwood again. IDS. Howard,. Lawson. Tebbitt. They're all back, on the back of Brexit. And if Chippy knows his history, he should know that they are the ones with real contempt for oridnary people. And now they are joined and financed by Aaron Banks, a man so committed to democracy that he says in an interview that he could not give a fuck about Electoral Commission rules. These are the people using Brexit as a tool to regain power and re-shape Britain in their extreme right-wing vision. And Chippy and millions like him have been duped into bringing them back to the heart of power.
Now maybe you don't mind. Maybe you agree with their policies and ambitions. Maybe you are rich enough to feel that you will be alright, Jack, whatever they do. But the ordinary people will not be alright under those people. And I vote the way I do, because actually I worry and care about ordinary people, because emotionally I remain one of them and never stopped feeling that way.
John Pienaar is a Palace fan so even though I like him I don't like him.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/apr/20/caroline-lucas-need-for-green-party-never-been-greater-video
During that time young people have had a particular poor hand dealt them under a Tory PM in my view. Given that, I'm genuinely interested in why you feel another 5 years of Tory rule are in your (or your peer groups) best interests?
Labour under it's current leadership will be akin to Roland being in charge. Conservatives more akin to The Spiv's.
For the 1st time since 1992 I can't bare to vote for any of them!
I think your problem is that a lot of people today who hate The Tories do so because of Thatcher. My personal view of that era is that if you want to keep producing coal, bring back the steam train... Young people didn't see those times, and a lot of older people need to remember that no government since hers has reversed the things she did. I think the other problem is that, the left more than anyone, fail to understand that people can have views that are not the same as theirs, it seems to massively unsettle them in a way that varies from concerning to hilarious, that people don't mindlessly follow some mantra about Tories wanting the poor poorer and the weak dead, all whilst giving the rich a load of kickbacks.
Oh, and if you want to use the NHS and how much the Tories hate it line, just look at Wales.
Never known anyone so obsessed with me not even my mrs is.
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