Please answer without using the words Corbyn or Labour.
I used to. The main problem she has is that her USP, if you like, was her ability to look almost like a headmistress, a safe, authoritive pair of hands, something she could portray herself as if she had won the landslide. Instead it's like all the naughty children have just thrown a party in her office and left an unwanted present on her desk.
Now, it's got to the point where people are legitimately able to use her own slogans against her "coalition of chaos" etc.
She's gone from headmistress to headless chicken in the space of a few weeks...
Still though, I like her because she's not Corbyn or Labour.... ;-)
Can I ask what was it about her running of the Home Office that led to you believing she was a safe pair of hands?
Elections over mate. As the post below yours pointed out I wasn't claiming she was a safe pair of hands I was claiming she was being portrayed as one. Even when criticising the Conservatives some on here get upset that it isn't going far enough.
It's a political party not a religion. To quote my politics teacher when discussing how to formulate an argument in a politcs essay "Yes, but, So." Balance helps you grow intellectually, which might help you more than saying that we are a trillion pages in and no one has made a single good argument for The Conservatives. What you should say instead is that in your biased political view, no one has made an argument for the conservatives that you are willing to concede.
Student union politics in all its glory, and yes, I think the Conservatives did a shit job in the campaign and there is merit in some of what Corbyn says. something I would say if May won an increased majority.
Rightio. So when you say it "...was her ability to look almost like a headmistress, a safe, authoritive pair of hands" what you mean is no one should disagree with or question ýour perception of this with examples where she's been anything but. Fair enough and thanks for the advice also.
Ok, Theresa May looks like a hagged old witch, like the evil woman out of Snow White, and has absolutely no positive points at all, I am shocked that they elected her as Conservative leader, but then again the alternatives are even worse. The fact that Corbyn didn't win a landslide is indicative of an idiotic populace who are voting against their own best interests because they are idiots.
Can I join the club now?
The fact that people putting across balanced, unbiased and the word unbiased should be flashing out at you (I bolded it to help you) which criticises the Conservatives still gets shouted down by people like you should show just how much of a dogma politics has become for some on here.
Everybody is biased - based on what they believe to be true. I think you are too defensive and can only see things from your own perspective with all respect. Lots of comments about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser were as vile and dishonest as you can get.
Please answer without using the words Corbyn or Labour.
I used to. The main problem she has is that her USP, if you like, was her ability to look almost like a headmistress, a safe, authoritive pair of hands, something she could portray herself as if she had won the landslide. Instead it's like all the naughty children have just thrown a party in her office and left an unwanted present on her desk.
Now, it's got to the point where people are legitimately able to use her own slogans against her "coalition of chaos" etc.
She's gone from headmistress to headless chicken in the space of a few weeks...
Still though, I like her because she's not Corbyn or Labour.... ;-)
Can I ask what was it about her running of the Home Office that led to you believing she was a safe pair of hands?
Elections over mate. As the post below yours pointed out I wasn't claiming she was a safe pair of hands I was claiming she was being portrayed as one. Even when criticising the Conservatives some on here get upset that it isn't going far enough.
It's a political party not a religion. To quote my politics teacher when discussing how to formulate an argument in a politcs essay "Yes, but, So." Balance helps you grow intellectually, which might help you more than saying that we are a trillion pages in and no one has made a single good argument for The Conservatives. What you should say instead is that in your biased political view, no one has made an argument for the conservatives that you are willing to concede.
Student union politics in all its glory, and yes, I think the Conservatives did a shit job in the campaign and there is merit in some of what Corbyn says. something I would say if May won an increased majority.
Rightio. So when you say it "...was her ability to look almost like a headmistress, a safe, authoritive pair of hands" what you mean is no one should disagree with or question ýour perception of this with examples where she's been anything but. Fair enough and thanks for the advice also.
Ok, Theresa May looks like a hagged old witch, like the evil woman out of Snow White, and has absolutely no positive points at all, I am shocked that they elected her as Conservative leader, but then again the alternatives are even worse. The fact that Corbyn didn't win a landslide is indicative of an idiotic populace who are voting against their own best interests because they are idiots.
Can I join the club now?
The fact that people putting across balanced, unbiased and the word unbiased should be flashing out at you (I bolded it to help you) which criticises the Conservatives still gets shouted down by people like you should show just how much of a dogma politics has become for some on here.
Everybody is biased - based on what they believe to be true. I think you are too defensive and can only see things from your own perspective with all respect. Lots of comments about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser were as vile and dishonest as you can get.
If people really believed what the Sun and Mail said why did Labour do far better than expected
it doesnt matter if they believed it - i was just making the point about bias generally. Diane Abbott had a few car crashes and was totally destoyed on here - Lots of reasons to be critical of May and if you think it is one way you are not seeing the full picture. Not you - I mean you generally whether you are on the left or the right.
Everybody is biased - based on what they believe to be true. I think you are too defensive and can only see things from your own perspective with all respect. Lots of comments about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser were as vile and dishonest as you can get.
If people really believed what the Sun and Mail said why did Labour do far better than expected
Everybody is biased - based on what they believe to be true. I think you are too defensive and can only see things from your own perspective with all respect. Lots of comments about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser were as vile and dishonest as you can get.
I think the problem is that I view things from a neutral perspective, regardless of my own political view. I don't have a line to sell. If it were the other way round I would have the same viewpoint. I am someone with conservative (small c) leaning sympathies who was brought up by two strong Labour parents, as such I understand and agree with (to some extent) a lot of their and Labour's viewpoints. That is my view at this point in my life, and is something that will dynamically change with life experiences.
As I have said, nothing is black and white, for some on here Theresa May could never, ever do anything right, and for some the same about Jeremy Corbyn, these people, politically, are fools.
That is the basis of my argument, and that is why I get so infuriated at the bias on here.
I'm going to reinstate my self imposed ban that I had before the election on political threads, I don't think that I can successfully change or influence anyone's views on here, and that is a criticism of myself. I will lurk, and enjoy reading every morning and a bit at lunch, but I'll leave it to the pros from now on!
I'm going to reinstate my self imposed ban that I had before the election on political threads, I don't think that I can successfully change or influence anyone's views on here, and that is a criticism of myself. I will lurk, and enjoy reading every morning and a bit at lunch, but I'll leave it to the pros from now on!
They don't know anymore than you do mate. They just think they do.
Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott! Hey guys guess what, my favourite party the Tories are a fucking garbage spill but Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott!
Well anyone who wants to hear an interview every bit as dismally incompetent as Abbott's need go only to this recording of today's PM on Radio 4, and the interview with Boris Johnson. Make sure you hear it from the start (about 30 mins in if I recall) and not the one minute clip they have of part of it.If you had never encountered him before you would think it was a satire. At one point, just like Abbott, he completely loses his thread. Unlike Abbott, he does not mess up figures, because he does not offer any. Under sustained but entirely reasonable questioning from Eddie Mair, he gives the impression that he is not familiar with the details in the Queen's Speech, on almost anything. Do try to listen.
Is there anyone at all left on this thread who is ready to support the idea that this man could take over from May as PM?
The Boris bit is 25:55 to 35:40, and Eddie Mair doesn't really seem to get out of first gear yet still ties Boris up in knots.
Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott! Hey guys guess what, my favourite party the Tories are a fucking garbage spill but Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott!
Well anyone who wants to hear an interview every bit as dismally incompetent as Abbott's need go only to this recording of today's PM on Radio 4, and the interview with Boris Johnson. Make sure you hear it from the start (about 30 mins in if I recall) and not the one minute clip they have of part of it.If you had never encountered him before you would think it was a satire. At one point, just like Abbott, he completely loses his thread. Unlike Abbott, he does not mess up figures, because he does not offer any. Under sustained but entirely reasonable questioning from Eddie Mair, he gives the impression that he is not familiar with the details in the Queen's Speech, on almost anything. Do try to listen.
Is there anyone at all left on this thread who is ready to support the idea that this man could take over from May as PM?
The Boris bit is 25:55 to 35:40, and Eddie Mair doesn't really seem to get out of first gear yet still ties Boris up in knots.
Thanks. It has certainly been picked up on Twitter. It even made one of Czech TV's news anchors laugh
Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott! Hey guys guess what, my favourite party the Tories are a fucking garbage spill but Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott!
Well anyone who wants to hear an interview every bit as dismally incompetent as Abbott's need go only to this recording of today's PM on Radio 4, and the interview with Boris Johnson. Make sure you hear it from the start (about 30 mins in if I recall) and not the one minute clip they have of part of it.If you had never encountered him before you would think it was a satire. At one point, just like Abbott, he completely loses his thread. Unlike Abbott, he does not mess up figures, because he does not offer any. Under sustained but entirely reasonable questioning from Eddie Mair, he gives the impression that he is not familiar with the details in the Queen's Speech, on almost anything. Do try to listen.
Is there anyone at all left on this thread who is ready to support the idea that this man could take over from May as PM?
The Boris bit is 25:55 to 35:40, and Eddie Mair doesn't really seem to get out of first gear yet still ties Boris up in knots.
Thanks. It has certainly been picked up on Twitter. It even made one of Czech TV's news anchors laugh
I don't know what all the fuss is about. Boris is Foreign Secretary and all of those questions were on domestic issues. Nothing to do with him and just proves he's so focused and channelled on what he needs to do.
Pleeeese let Boris become Prime Minister. All our economic woes will be solved. We can just turn the UK into a giant theme park. The foreigners will flock here to spend their euros.
Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott! Hey guys guess what, my favourite party the Tories are a fucking garbage spill but Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott! Diane Abbott!
Well anyone who wants to hear an interview every bit as dismally incompetent as Abbott's need go only to this recording of today's PM on Radio 4, and the interview with Boris Johnson. Make sure you hear it from the start (about 30 mins in if I recall) and not the one minute clip they have of part of it.If you had never encountered him before you would think it was a satire. At one point, just like Abbott, he completely loses his thread. Unlike Abbott, he does not mess up figures, because he does not offer any. Under sustained but entirely reasonable questioning from Eddie Mair, he gives the impression that he is not familiar with the details in the Queen's Speech, on almost anything. Do try to listen.
Is there anyone at all left on this thread who is ready to support the idea that this man could take over from May as PM?
The Boris bit is 25:55 to 35:40, and Eddie Mair doesn't really seem to get out of first gear yet still ties Boris up in knots.
Thanks. It has certainly been picked up on Twitter. It even made one of Czech TV's news anchors laugh
I don't know what all the fuss is about. Boris is Foreign Secretary and all of those questions were on domestic issues. Nothing to do with him and just proves he's so focused and channelled on what he needs to do.
I presume you are taking the piss - in case other folks are nor aware senior Cabinet ministers are expected to be across issues across the entire government.
Johnson has obviously even barely bothered to read the legislation that his own government is putting forward.
The numbers don't lie but they also need to be read in conjunction with employment levels & taxation, the net pay is a better measure. I believe when those numbers were produced we lead the G7 countries for increase in employment/reduction in unemployment and the lower taxation since 2010 predominantly due to the personal allowance has a positive effect on a net basis.
The numbers don't lie but they also need to be read in conjunction with employment levels & taxation, the net pay is a better measure. I believe when those numbers were produced we lead the G7 countries for increase in employment/reduction in unemployment and the lower taxation since 2010 predominantly due to the personal allowance has a positive effect on a net basis.
Unfortunately, no, it hasn't. Various benefits have been slashed more than one would receive in the increased personal allowance. Also our employment figures are an utter sham, thousands of people are simply defined out of unemployment and plenty of people are on subsistence wages. It's rather damning that most people in poverty in the UK are classed as employed.
Everybody is biased - based on what they believe to be true. I think you are too defensive and can only see things from your own perspective with all respect. Lots of comments about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser were as vile and dishonest as you can get.
I think the problem is that I view things from a neutral perspective, regardless of my own political view. I don't have a line to sell. If it were the other way round I would have the same viewpoint. I am someone with conservative (small c) leaning sympathies who was brought up by two strong Labour parents, as such I understand and agree with (to some extent) a lot of their and Labour's viewpoints. That is my view at this point in my life, and is something that will dynamically change with life experiences.
As I have said, nothing is black and white, for some on here Theresa May could never, ever do anything right, and for some the same about Jeremy Corbyn, these people, politically, are fools.
That is the basis of my argument, and that is why I get so infuriated at the bias on here.
But May has been doing completely rubbish - a lot of Tories accept that, if you looked at past posts of mine on here you would see criticisms of Corbyn - that is going to attract comment and surely is deserving of it. My personal view is that the right start attacking Corbyn and the left gave it back and with interest. Maybe when we stop the right making slurs like he is a terrorist sympathiser etc... the debate will get more to a level you prefer. But I am clear who I think are to blame and that isn't referring to people on here but the media manipulation which many of us are fed up with.
When the next election happens, and I doubt it will be long, we will get the same crap from The Mail, the Sun, The Telegraph etc... We will again fight back and beat them. The right have made no fair play demands for them to tone it down because they see it to their advantage. The left are more professional, more savvy and ready to defeat the next onslaught!
Unemployment figures is another one of those statistics the Tories love to game. It's like when they redefined what child poverty was so they could say there were less kids living in poverty.
The government publish two unemployment stats, those claiming unemployment benefits and the labour force survey. Which one are they gaming?
I'm not saying the net (after tax) numbers are great, but we need to get away from the ludicrous situation where someone on a lower salary pays tax and then receives it or some of it back in benefits, it's so inefficient and extremely costly to manage, just pure wastage of time & money.
Much better to allow people to keep more in the first place which is what they have tried to do the last 7 years, is it enough, probably not but it should be the way we head. I'd like to see those earning less than £18-20k completely out of income tax & NI rather than paying 3k in tax and NI and then have to claim in work benefits.
The government publish two unemployment stats, those claiming unemployment benefits and the labour force survey. Which one are they gaming?
I'm not saying the net (after tax) numbers are great, but we need to get away from the ludicrous situation where someone on a lower salary pays tax and then receives it or some of it back in benefits, it's so inefficient and extremely costly to manage, just pure wastage of time & money.
Much better to allow people to keep more in the first place which is what they have tried to do the last 7 years, is it enough, probably not but it should be the way we head. I'd like to see those earning less than £18-20k completely out of income tax & NI rather than paying 3k in tax and NI and then have to claim in work benefits.
I agree - it makes sense on all levels - but we shouldn't be moving towards it, we should just do it.
The government publish two unemployment stats, those claiming unemployment benefits and the labour force survey. Which one are they gaming?
I'm not saying the net (after tax) numbers are great, but we need to get away from the ludicrous situation where someone on a lower salary pays tax and then receives it or some of it back in benefits, it's so inefficient and extremely costly to manage, just pure wastage of time & money.
Much better to allow people to keep more in the first place which is what they have tried to do the last 7 years, is it enough, probably not but it should be the way we head. I'd like to see those earning less than £18-20k completely out of income tax & NI rather than paying 3k in tax and NI and then have to claim in work benefits.
I agree - it makes sense on all levels - but we shouldn't be moving towards it, we should just do it.
Muttley, we agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess the difficulty is lining everything up at once. At the same time as removing in-work benefits (or amending them) the tax allowance should increase, but hardly a show stopper in this day and age.
I think since 2010 the allowance has not far off doubled so anyone on £11,500 or less is now out of income tax rather than paying £1000-1200 pounds at the upper end.
I rarely find myself agreeing with Jeffrey Donaldson, but I do feel that Caroline Lucas was being a bit insulting when referring to the DUP as dinosaurs in the House of Commons yesterday afternoon, and I would have expected more from the Speaker.
After all, dinosaurs never did anything to warrant such an unflattering association.
The government publish two unemployment stats, those claiming unemployment benefits and the labour force survey. Which one are they gaming?
I'm not saying the net (after tax) numbers are great, but we need to get away from the ludicrous situation where someone on a lower salary pays tax and then receives it or some of it back in benefits, it's so inefficient and extremely costly to manage, just pure wastage of time & money.
Much better to allow people to keep more in the first place which is what they have tried to do the last 7 years, is it enough, probably not but it should be the way we head. I'd like to see those earning less than £18-20k completely out of income tax & NI rather than paying 3k in tax and NI and then have to claim in work benefits.
I agree - it makes sense on all levels - but we shouldn't be moving towards it, we should just do it.
Muttley, we agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess the difficulty is lining everything up at once. At the same time as removing in-work benefits (or amending them) the tax allowance should increase, but hardly a show stopper in this day and age.
I think since 2010 the allowance has not far off doubled so anyone on £11,500 or less is now out of income tax rather than paying £1000-1200 pounds at the upper end.
We should agree on more things - everything I believe in is based on social justice.
Philip Hammond in the Today programme 08.10 slot was talking more sense, in a better tone of voice, than all the other cabinet ministers put together.
May has belatedly got her act together on Grenfell Towers, I will concede. But on that, Javid sacking the Kensington CEO, but not the Council leader, stinks.
The government publish two unemployment stats, those claiming unemployment benefits and the labour force survey. Which one are they gaming?
I'm not saying the net (after tax) numbers are great, but we need to get away from the ludicrous situation where someone on a lower salary pays tax and then receives it or some of it back in benefits, it's so inefficient and extremely costly to manage, just pure wastage of time & money.
Much better to allow people to keep more in the first place which is what they have tried to do the last 7 years, is it enough, probably not but it should be the way we head. I'd like to see those earning less than £18-20k completely out of income tax & NI rather than paying 3k in tax and NI and then have to claim in work benefits.
I'd like to see employers pay their staff a living wage instead of being in concert with a government that is quite willing to sanction people by threatening to take away their benefits they need to live unless they accept work at less than 60% what is required to cover their cost of living.
I don't disagree that the tax system could be better simplified but the Tories have done nothing except increase the cost of administrating the welfare state at the same time as ensuring people have less and less money in their pocket at the end of each month. Quite a remarkable feat of ineptitude.
It'd be interesting to know how much the government pays to means test most benefits and further, have an open discussion about whether those costs could be better used.
Obviously it's an astonishingly bad interview. (And for "bad", you could read "embarrassing", "incompetent", "pathetic", etc). But what makes it worse is that Boris has been torn to pieces by Eddie Mair before. You'd think he'd learn and, instead of just "winging" it, actually pull his finger out and do the required preparation.
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Can I join the club now?
The fact that people putting across balanced, unbiased and the word unbiased should be flashing out at you (I bolded it to help you) which criticises the Conservatives still gets shouted down by people like you should show just how much of a dogma politics has become for some on here.
As I have said, nothing is black and white, for some on here Theresa May could never, ever do anything right, and for some the same about Jeremy Corbyn, these people, politically, are fools.
That is the basis of my argument, and that is why I get so infuriated at the bias on here.
They just think they do.
Johnson has obviously even barely bothered to read the legislation that his own government is putting forward.
Lazy, entitled, upper-class wanker.
When the next election happens, and I doubt it will be long, we will get the same crap from The Mail, the Sun, The Telegraph etc... We will again fight back and beat them. The right have made no fair play demands for them to tone it down because they see it to their advantage. The left are more professional, more savvy and ready to defeat the next onslaught!
I'm not saying the net (after tax) numbers are great, but we need to get away from the ludicrous situation where someone on a lower salary pays tax and then receives it or some of it back in benefits, it's so inefficient and extremely costly to manage, just pure wastage of time & money.
Much better to allow people to keep more in the first place which is what they have tried to do the last 7 years, is it enough, probably not but it should be the way we head. I'd like to see those earning less than £18-20k completely out of income tax & NI rather than paying 3k in tax and NI and then have to claim in work benefits.
I guess the difficulty is lining everything up at once. At the same time as removing in-work benefits (or amending them) the tax allowance should increase, but hardly a show stopper in this day and age.
I think since 2010 the allowance has not far off doubled so anyone on £11,500 or less is now out of income tax rather than paying £1000-1200 pounds at the upper end.
After all, dinosaurs never did anything to warrant such an unflattering association.
May has belatedly got her act together on Grenfell Towers, I will concede. But on that, Javid sacking the Kensington CEO, but not the Council leader, stinks.
I don't disagree that the tax system could be better simplified but the Tories have done nothing except increase the cost of administrating the welfare state at the same time as ensuring people have less and less money in their pocket at the end of each month. Quite a remarkable feat of ineptitude.
We should agree on more things - everything I believe in is based on social justice.
Look forward to you agreeing with me more then