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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • But did it make the press in any of the daily newspapers?
  • But did it make the press in any of the daily newspapers?

    I don't know, but I doubt it.
    In this age of media, and the internet, and Lynton Crosby and the like Theresa May doesn't really need to give a damn about how she comes over in terms of public services, not many media outlets will care to analyse her current failings when they can mis-represent Corbyns historic record.
    Why worry about now when you can worry about then?
  • I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.
  • cafcfan said:

    TV coverage of Corbyn today. In the rain. He seems to have a nice young lady holding his umbrella for him. I wonder if she's on zero hours? (Even QEII carries her own umbrella ffs.)

    Not sure that's really the worst thing one of the party leaders has done this weekend tbf.

    independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/video-theresa-may-struggles-to-answer-when-confronted-live-on-tv-about-nurses-going-to-foodbanks-a7710066.html

    Watching that video and thinking about nurses forced to use food banks in one of the richest countries on the planet should make even the staunchest Tory think twice about her bullshit rhetoric and out of touch attitude to what's actually happening on her watch.
    But that's the point isn't it. IF it had been Theresa May being seen with a young black woman on umbrella-holding duties, the manic left twitterati absolutely would have made it the very worst thing a party leader had done this weekend.

    BTW, my niece is a nurse, she works part-time, on a standard working day, brings up her twins, buys her own food, has an iPhone, a Sky subscription and a mortgage. Although it has to be said that she does drive a Dacia.
  • I am pleased that your niece and her family are thriving.
    It is possible your niece had family support to get going, and she may have a partner as well, in the private health sector nurses pay can be better than the NHS, and living outside London can be cheaper than in London, and then again not every single nurse will go to foodbanks.
    I am not saying any of this applies to your niece.
    It may even be that Andrew Marr was lying through his teeth in that question to Theresa May. The fascinating bit was her answer.
  • cafcfan said:

    cafcfan said:

    TV coverage of Corbyn today. In the rain. He seems to have a nice young lady holding his umbrella for him. I wonder if she's on zero hours? (Even QEII carries her own umbrella ffs.)

    Not sure that's really the worst thing one of the party leaders has done this weekend tbf.

    independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/video-theresa-may-struggles-to-answer-when-confronted-live-on-tv-about-nurses-going-to-foodbanks-a7710066.html

    Watching that video and thinking about nurses forced to use food banks in one of the richest countries on the planet should make even the staunchest Tory think twice about her bullshit rhetoric and out of touch attitude to what's actually happening on her watch.
    But that's the point isn't it. IF it had been Theresa May being seen with a young black woman on umbrella-holding duties, the manic left twitterati absolutely would have made it the very worst thing a party leader had done this weekend.

    BTW, my niece is a nurse, she works part-time, on a standard working day, brings up her twins, buys her own food, has an iPhone, a Sky subscription and a mortgage. Although it has to be said that she does drive a Dacia.
    You just made that up - no basis for that whatsoever. Put your point across by all means, but making stuff up just makes your argument weak.

    Are you saying your niece is a part time regular ward nurse working solely for the NHS with no other income coming into the house with a reasonably sized mortgage?
  • I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    She is useless - I agree. A hyprocrite too, sending her son to a private school. The biggest disater to befall our country however, will be if May wins with an increased majority - we shouldn't forget that fact!
  • I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
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  • I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
    Which policy of Dianne Abbott's would you be most opposed to?
  • I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    She is useless - I agree. A hyprocrite too, sending her son to a private school. The biggest disater to befall our country however, will be if May wins with an increased majority - we shouldn't forget that fact!
    Not to mention racist
  • Chizz said:

    I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
    Which policy of Dianne Abbott's would you be most opposed to?
    Her policy of thinking black mothers are superior to other races and that white people like to play divide and rule to name a few.

    Also her policy of being an idiot doesn't help either.
  • Nurses pay ranges from £15231 at the bottom of band one to £48,001 at the top of band 8a.
    31 steps up from band one gets you to the top of band 5 which is £28,000.
    There is plenty of credibility in the notion that some nurses (which I understand is to be an all graduate workforce) need foodbanks.
    My son is a graduate under the first Liberal Democrat higher fees system and has graduated with debts of over £45000 and that is after a decent amount of financial support from me and Mrs Plum.
  • edited May 2017

    Chizz said:

    I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
    Which policy of Dianne Abbott's would you be most opposed to?
    Her policy of thinking black mothers are superior to other races and that white people like to play divide and rule to name a few.

    Also her policy of being an idiot doesn't help either.
    There are two lying, two-faced, selfish, not very bright, opportunistic bitches at the forefront of this election. The trouble is one will soon be leading the country over the cliff as she continues to pander to the racist right-wing little-Englander elements of her Party rather than being concerned about the long term interests of the country.
  • Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
    Which policy of Dianne Abbott's would you be most opposed to?
    Her policy of thinking black mothers are superior to other races and that white people like to play divide and rule to name a few.

    Also her policy of being an idiot doesn't help either.
    I get the point that you don't like her. But what policies of hers would you not want enacted? What's in the Labour manifesto, within the
    I don't think even Diane Abbott knows!

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/
  • edited May 2017

    Chizz said:

    I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
    Which policy of Dianne Abbott's would you be most opposed to?
    Her policy of thinking black mothers are superior to other races and that white people like to play divide and rule to name a few.

    Also her policy of being an idiot doesn't help either.
    Those aren't policies! The tories have enough idiots in their ranks!
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  • seth plum said:


    It is possible your niece had family support to get going (no), and she may have a partner as well, (yes) in the private health sector nurses pay can be better than the NHS, (she's an NHS district nurse) and living outside London can be cheaper than in London, (yes).

    I'm still a little wary about foodbank stats. Is it a chicken and egg thing? Are there more of them because people need them or do people use them because there are more of them? It's a really good method of productively using food that might otherwise get wasted (best before dates and all that). But I'm surprised the Joseph Rowntree Foundation - a champion of the poor - appears not to have done any recent research on this issue. It's last commentary on food banks (that I could find anyway) is a couple of years old and uses figures from elsewhere (The Trussell Trust) to suggest that "benefit delays are the single biggest cause of referrals to food banks". That is obviously an unacceptable situation.

    The Trussell Trust's latest data also give some clues as to what is happening and suggests that issues arising from universal credit may be a main driver for the increase in foodbank use. Not the least of which is the large delay (six weeks plus) that can occur before people get the benefit to which they are entitled.

    Here's the Trussell Trust CEO's latest comment: “The move to simplify an often complex welfare system is a welcome one but any large reform can have unforeseen consequences. Foodbanks see first-hand how changes to the welfare system affect people on the ground, and so can offer an early warning to decision-makers. We are sharing our early observations with the Department for Work and Pensions to ensure any adverse side effects Universal Credit can have on people are addressed before full rollout is completed. We have been heartened by Secretary of State Damian Green’s willingness to engage, his department’s work to pilot improvements, and the recent changes to the Universal Credit taper rate which mean people moving into work will keep more of their earnings. We hope our insights can inform efforts to make sure the values on which Universal Credit is built are delivered in practice. To stop UK hunger we must make sure the welfare system really does work for everyone.”

    It seems to me to be a good thing that the Trust appears to believe that Green and the DWP are actually trying quite hard to improve things. Also of interest that the Trust seems supportive of a wholesale shake-up of the benefit system.

    I noticed, and mention this for the sake of clarity, that Trussell's foodbanks provide 3-day emergency food packs and that on average the clients in the last year have taken two. This indicates to me (and I admit that I might have misinterpreted what the Trust has said) that most foodbank use is NOT day-to-day long-term support but rather short-term assistance to get people over the worst. If that is true, it seems rather encouraging that help is given and then Trussell's clients manage to get on with their lives on their own two feet.

    That said, I was surprised to see that, for example, more food packs were distributed in East Anglia than in London. I am speculating that because the trust says "People in insecure or seasonal work are particularly affected" that an significant number of food pack recipients might be seasonal fruit & veg pickers who presumably suffer from the double whammy of low wages and insignificant payments from central government.
  • cafcfan said:

    cafcfan said:

    TV coverage of Corbyn today. In the rain. He seems to have a nice young lady holding his umbrella for him. I wonder if she's on zero hours? (Even QEII carries her own umbrella ffs.)

    Not sure that's really the worst thing one of the party leaders has done this weekend tbf.

    independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/video-theresa-may-struggles-to-answer-when-confronted-live-on-tv-about-nurses-going-to-foodbanks-a7710066.html

    Watching that video and thinking about nurses forced to use food banks in one of the richest countries on the planet should make even the staunchest Tory think twice about her bullshit rhetoric and out of touch attitude to what's actually happening on her watch.
    But that's the point isn't it. IF it had been Theresa May being seen with a young black woman on umbrella-holding duties, the manic left twitterati absolutely would have made it the very worst thing a party leader had done this weekend.

    BTW, my niece is a nurse, she works part-time, on a standard working day, brings up her twins, buys her own food, has an iPhone, a Sky subscription and a mortgage. Although it has to be said that she does drive a Dacia.
    Our PM almost glibly dismisses the fact professional people, doing one of the most important jobs in society, are reduced to using food banks in this country. Which she and her colleagues are responsible for...and you're more upset over who's holding up someone's brolly when they do a TV interview? Seriously?
    No, not at all seriously. In fact the absolute opposite. But that seems to have passed you by....
  • Yet you then make this up: "But that's the point isn't it. IF it had been Theresa May being seen with a young black woman on umbrella-holding duties, the manic left twitterati absolutely would have made it the very worst thing a party leader had done this weekend."

    Another little joke? Can you put smileys at the end so we know when you are using humour?
  • Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
    Which policy of Dianne Abbott's would you be most opposed to?
    Her policy of thinking black mothers are superior to other races and that white people like to play divide and rule to name a few.

    Also her policy of being an idiot doesn't help either.
    I get the point that you don't like her. But what policies of hers would you not want enacted? What's in the Labour manifesto, within the
    I don't think even Diane Abbott knows!

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/
    You replied before I finished editing my post! What I wanted to know was, what policies of Dianne Abbott do you oppose? Or, even, think the Home Secretary has better answers for?

    I get the fact you don't like her. And I get the fact Nick Ferrari is never going to give her an easy ride. But which of her policies do you dislike?
  • Yet you then make this up: "But that's the point isn't it. IF it had been Theresa May being seen with a young black woman on umbrella-holding duties, the manic left twitterati absolutely would have made it the very worst thing a party leader had done this weekend."

    Another little joke? Can you put smileys at the end so we know when you are using humour?

    No.
  • edited May 2017
    I saw her on breakfast tv this morning and she handled Piers Morgan badly, but I do despise his specific questioning. If you are going to ask a question about pushing a button that could start the destruction of the earth, I would prefer the thoughtful considered response rather than the yes or no he demanded. He created this ridiculous scenario where terrorists could be hit by a nuclear attack which suggests he doesn't understand how terrorism works. Then to chat about her with two ex Boyzone or Westlife members was outrageous. It makes me want to weep!

    I never complain to TV companies, but that was the closest I have come. And I have no time for Diane Abbot at all!
  • Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
    Which policy of Dianne Abbott's would you be most opposed to?
    Her policy of thinking black mothers are superior to other races and that white people like to play divide and rule to name a few.

    Also her policy of being an idiot doesn't help either.
    I get the point that you don't like her. But what policies of hers would you not want enacted? What's in the Labour manifesto, within the
    I don't think even Diane Abbott knows!

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/
    You replied before I finished editing my post! What I wanted to know was, what policies of Dianne Abbott do you oppose? Or, even, think the Home Secretary has better answers for?

    I get the fact you don't like her. And I get the fact Nick Ferrari is never going to give her an easy ride. But which of her policies do you dislike?
    My point is, if she doesn't even know her flagship policy then why should anyone trust her?

    Fine if you want to increase spending, but at least know how much more it will cost.
  • Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    Chizz said:

    I bloody hate the tories with a vengeance but did anyone else hear Diane Abbott on lbc (Nick Ferrari) this morning re new police numbers. Bloody pathetic. Couldn't get her numbers right at all. Christ sake she's the shadow home secretary.

    The past couple of weeks I've allowed myself to think "what if labour did the unthinkable and won the election, wouldn't be that bad would it really?" I then realise dianne Abbott would actually be able to have a say in how the country is run and i slap it back down to the realms of "it would be an utter nightmare, a disaster" again.
    Which policy of Dianne Abbott's would you be most opposed to?
    Her policy of thinking black mothers are superior to other races and that white people like to play divide and rule to name a few.

    Also her policy of being an idiot doesn't help either.
    I get the point that you don't like her. But what policies of hers would you not want enacted? What's in the Labour manifesto, within the
    I don't think even Diane Abbott knows!

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/
    You replied before I finished editing my post! What I wanted to know was, what policies of Dianne Abbott do you oppose? Or, even, think the Home Secretary has better answers for?

    I get the fact you don't like her. And I get the fact Nick Ferrari is never going to give her an easy ride. But which of her policies do you dislike?
    My point is, if she doesn't even know her flagship policy then why should anyone trust her?

    Fine if you want to increase spending, but at least know how much more it will cost.
    The biggest issue for many is Brexit, the government have no policy or strategy on this, why should anyone trust them?
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