"Simulating" - Cheating / Diving to you and me

i_b_b_o_r_g

Just see Gaston Ramirez blatant dive (Boro v Bournemouth).

Seeing as it is cheating, ain't it about time these were punishable by a straight red?

ShootersHillGuru

I absolutely detest it. Hard for referee sometimes so I think video footage should be used retrospectively to Red card the cheats.

It's supposed to be a mans game. STAND UP.

sm

I'd just give them a second yellow for the dissent they usually show after the first one for diving.

i_b_b_o_r_g

The way Ramirez rolled around on the floor for a couple of minutes after holding his FACE? really got me going. Mrs come running into the front room thinking one of the dogs had done an indoor shit, the way I was going on.

sm

I'd love to see a ref have the courage to give yellows for unsporting conduct to all those who crowd around trying to get an opponent carded - it would just take one ref to hand out 5 or 6 yellows in a situation where this happens to start to change this obnoxious behaviour.

Dazzler21

i_b_b_o_r_g said:

Just see Gaston Ramirez blatant dive (Boro v Bournemouth).

Seeing as it is cheating, ain't it about time these were punishable by a straight red?

Agreed but only if the player tries to claim the foul.

i_b_b_o_r_g

Thing is Daz, is some only claim a foul when they think they've made a convincing job out of it. For me mate, straight red when it a blatant dive

Garrymanilow

There should be cards for unsportsmanlike conduct around diving. I do kind of understand players going down where there's contact and it's affected their run, like Moses yesterday, but the kind of peek-a-boo shit some players do is shameful. Suarez and Busquets are the worst for it, but there's plenty of players in England who do it. Especially when there's any light head movement in their direction. If you get lightly brushed on the shoulder by another players eyebrow and go down screeching there should be retrospective punishment. There's no reason not to punish it the same way you'd punish a late tackle the ref didn't see

i_b_b_o_r_g

Dele Ali stands out as an English player guilty of it, and he even goes and gets the hump when it doesn't pay off

ricky_otto

Def should be a straight red for diving. Blatant cheating.

ricky_otto

sm said:

I'd love to see a ref have the courage to give yellows for unsporting conduct to all those who crowd around trying to get an opponent carded - it would just take one ref to hand out 5 or 6 yellows in a situation where this happens to start to change this obnoxious behaviour.

This.

Also holding in the box at set pieces. Would love a ref to give a pen every time it happened.

Although Jason Pearce would concede about 10 a game.

i_b_b_o_r_g

ricky_otto said:

sm said:

I'd love to see a ref have the courage to give yellows for unsporting conduct to all those who crowd around trying to get an opponent carded - it would just take one ref to hand out 5 or 6 yellows in a situation where this happens to start to change this obnoxious behaviour.

This.

Also holding in the box at set pieces. Would love a ref to give a pen every time it happened.

James Collins yesterday

Karim_myBagheri

what pissed me off yesterday is the Hull player getting sent off for what was just a lazy kick. i would prefer if refs don't send players off for casual/accidental contact as it can (unlike what did eventually happen at Hull) ruin the game.

also that excitable gobby commentator Jonathan Pearce having a meltdown when Adrien (west ham keeper) puts his foot up when sliding to gather the ball. people like Pearce are always screaming for a card for all sorts of insignificant challenges.

25May98

You can't always blame the ref if he doesn't see it as a dive but retrospective red card and three match suspension will begin the process of getting it out of the game. I can't stand cheating.

rananegra

Garrymanilow said:

There should be cards for unsportsmanlike conduct around diving. I do kind of understand players going down where there's contact and it's affected their run, like Moses yesterday, but the kind of peek-a-boo shit some players do is shameful. Suarez and Busquets are the worst for it, but there's plenty of players in England who do it. Especially when there's any light head movement in their direction. If you get lightly brushed on the shoulder by another players eyebrow and go down screeching there should be retrospective punishment. There's no reason not to punish it the same way you'd punish a late tackle the ref didn't see

I'd love to see this. Palace's star player Zaha would be suspended for nearly every game!

Robbo on the wing

This is what I was going to suggest 25/05/98.

Greenie

Terrible dive, but all the while the FA are calling it 'simulation' and not the correct word which is 'cheating' then do not expect much to be done about it. What we need is video replay ASAP.

CAFCBourne

Moses was that not cheating then...... not touched fell/jumped

killerandflash

It's a thin line between no contact and collapsing, and minor contact and collapsing in the box. And even with the latter is it contact from the defender, or the attacker looking for contact?

One is blatant cheating, the other is....what all players do.

For pure cheating, retrospective action would be the best approach. There have been cases of incorrect bookings for diving where there was genuine contact

Raith_C_Chattonell

TV pundits often refer to a player 'winning' a penalty rather than being 'awarded' one. It seems this art form has become an essential part of a strikers skill set. Panels condoning rather that condemning this behaviour cheating will not help to eradicate it.

iaitch

The pundits, all ex players, say its unprofessional not to fall over and are astounded when some players stay on their feet and play on.

That's the difference between fans and ex players.

killerandflash

I guess yesterday's Liverpool Palace game showed why players go down

Coutinho was fouled in the box, stayed on his feet, the chance came to nothing, and no penalty awarded. If he had gone over, maybe he would have won a penalty

i_b_b_o_r_g

killerandflash said:

I guess yesterday's Liverpool Palace game showed why players go down

Coutinho was fouled in the box, stayed on his feet, the chance came to nothing, and no penalty awarded. If he had gone over, maybe he would have won a penalty

Sometimes you get decisions go your way, sometimes you don't. Play the whistle

el-pietro

ShootersHillGuru said:

I absolutely detest it. Hard for referee sometimes so I think video footage should be used retrospectively to Red card the cheats.

It's supposed to be a mans game. STAND UP.

Heres the problem though and referees are at fault for it. If you don't go down in the box you don't get a penalty. So referees are as guilty as the players for creating this environment. The same foul that would give a free in the middle of the park doesn't result in a penalty when the tackle happens in the box.

So if you are honest and you have your progress illegally impeded in the box, you stay up, and you get nothing. If you are impeded, your chance to score taken away from you and go down to highlight the foul you get a penalty. Players have no choice. Its naive to say otherwise.

CAFCBourne

killerandflash said:

I guess yesterday's Liverpool Palace game showed why players go down

Coutinho was fouled in the box, stayed on his feet, the chance came to nothing, and no penalty awarded. If he had gone over, maybe he would have won a penalty

Agreed a penalty even though he managed to get the shot off it impacted on the outcome

i_b_b_o_r_g

el-pietro said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I absolutely detest it. Hard for referee sometimes so I think video footage should be used retrospectively to Red card the cheats.

It's supposed to be a mans game. STAND UP.

Heres the problem though and referees are at fault for it. If you don't go down in the box you don't get a penalty. So referees are as guilty as the players for creating this environment. The same foul that would give a free in the middle of the park doesn't result in a penalty when the tackle happens in the box.

So if you are honest and you have your progress illegally impeded in the box, you stay up, and you get nothing. If you are impeded, your chance to score taken away from you and go down to highlight the foul you get a penalty. Players have no choice. Its naive to say otherwise.

Slightly different argument imo, but the only way to work towards stamping all of this out is to bring in a video ref and instant replays like in rugby

killerandflash

el-pietro said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I absolutely detest it. Hard for referee sometimes so I think video footage should be used retrospectively to Red card the cheats.

It's supposed to be a mans game. STAND UP.

Heres the problem though and referees are at fault for it. If you don't go down in the box you don't get a penalty. So referees are as guilty as the players for creating this environment. The same foul that would give a free in the middle of the park doesn't result in a penalty when the tackle happens in the box.

So if you are honest and you have your progress illegally impeded in the box, you stay up, and you get nothing. If you are impeded, your chance to score taken away from you and go down to highlight the foul you get a penalty. Players have no choice. Its naive to say otherwise.

If Coutinho had gone down yesterday, Liverpool would probably have got a penalty, and Palace might have lost leading to them not picking up any more points and being relegated on the last day of the season after a last minute Swansea winner

i_b_b_o_r_g

The problem of refs missing genuine fouls in the box will never be 100% erradicated and, to a certain extent, it is part of the game, but refs aren't gonna be helped by players going down to emphasise the fact they feel they've been fouled.

buckshee

What I'd love to see is players booked for simulation if they are fouled but massively over react.